▲ 49 r/Fnaftheoriesmeme
Afton according to WillHeartless
At the request of u/Puzzleheaded-Win5063
u/railroadspike25 — 6 days ago
▲ 10 r/DavidTOYSNHK
David Murray and Threadbear
Threadbear is the theory that Golden Freddy adapts to each iteration of the band, taking on the appearance of whatever the new band is. So in FNAF 1, he looks like one of the classics, in FNAF 2 he looks like one of the Withereds, and this continues all the way up to FFPS where he may or may not be Nedd Bear.
Another obvious problem with DavidTOYSNHK is that TOYSNHK is associated with Golden Freddy, but nothing in SOTM associates Golden Freddy with David.
But if Threadbear is true, and Golden Freddy can change its appearance to fit in with its surroundings, doesn't that sound an awful lot like mimicry?
The White Tiger ghost copies the voice lines of others that David couldn't have heard when he was alive. It also makes noises that sound like the Mimic. What if this behavior was learned from the Mimic itself? For the last year and a half or so of David's life, a very formative period for a child, he was raised by the Mimic. So it's not unlikely that he picked up some of the Mimic's traits.
So is it possible that he kept trying to be like the Mimic even in death? And that David somehow figured out how to change his form to match wherever Afton is?
If something like a modified form GoldenDuo is true, and David Murray and Crying Child became commingled with each other during the Bite of 83, it might explain Golden Freddy's seeming shape shifting tendency, while still sticking to Fredbear variants because that's what Crying Child is associated with.
u/railroadspike25 — 8 days ago
▲ 13 r/DavidTOYSNHK
All the evidence that Afton killed David
One of the obvious problems with DavidTOYSNHK is that there's no direct evidence that Afton is involved with David's death.
While it's true that there's no smoking gun, I do think there is circumstantial evidence to suggest that Afton is somehow responsible. On their own, none of these pieces of evidence are all that compelling (except for the cake imo) but cumulatively they arguably paint a picture.
Feel free to comment any more that I might have missed.
u/railroadspike25 — 12 days ago
▲ 3 r/fnaftheories
Sister Location occured on September 7th 1997
This is within the plausible time frame for Sister Location, which is generally understood to occur between FNAF 1 and Afton's death in Follow Me.
While Schedule Theory may or may not be true, it is true that there was a schedule found on the ScottGames website which ends on Sunday, which is what September 7th 1997 was.
Vanessa physically resembles Elizabeth and has Daddy issues like a grown up Elizabeth would. Her user name is Nessie97, and while there's debate about whether the "97" is a day or a year, the point is that there's an association between someone who resembles Elizabeth and the number 97, which is doubly satisfied by the date 9/7/97.
Secret of the Mimic takes place on 9/7/79. Secret of the Mimic is where we find out the origin of several Sister Location characters and it's likely where Afton acquired the land to build the CBEARs bunker.
In short, there are several associations in the modern games with the date 9/7, and story events associated with Sister Location. I am unaware of any evidence for the 9/7/97 date before the Steel Wool era, and it's possible that Scott Cawthon didn't have a definitive date in mind until he decided to continue the story. But I think that the new games are giving hints towards the '97 date.
u/railroadspike25 — 13 days ago
▲ 10 r/DavidTOYSNHK
So how do we think David died?
If David is "The One You Should Not Have Killed" then Afton must have actually killed him. And I don't think this is in some roundabout way like, 'Afton piled more and more work on Edwin which distracted him from his parental duties which led to David dying in an accident.' It just stands to reason that Afton must have directly killed him in order for David to be so vengeful in UCN, especially if Andrew is supposed to be some kind of parallel or anticipation of David.
So, in your opinion, how did David die for him to become TOYSNHK?
u/railroadspike25 — 13 days ago
▲ 35 r/fnaftheories
The black and white tiles in Freddy's are inspired by the Freemasons
The black and white tiles that are one of the signature visual elements of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza are probably a reference to Masonic Temple initiation rituals.
I don't know if this was already well known in the fandom or not, but I think it's almost certainly intentional.
If you look at old pictures of Pizza Time Theater and ShowBiz Pizza, the floors are pretty indistinct, lacking any distinguishing features. But Freddy Fazbear's Pizza has black and white tiles all throughout on both the floor and the walls.
According to the Hamilton District Masons: "The [black-and-white pavement] is the area on which initiations occur and is “emblematic of human life, checkered with good and evil.”"
The Freemasons consider themselves to be the inheritors of various mystic traditions and they perform ceremonies as people rise up in the ranks, with each higher degree of Mason having a more extreme ceremony. Supposedly, they are similar to the old Eleusinian Mysteries, which are meant to allow someone to experience death without actually dying, becoming spiritually stronger for it.
Afton obviously isn't interested in all that spiritual crap, but he does want to overcome death in a much more direct way. So the black and white tiles are meant to further unsettle the player, and let them know that Freddy's wasn't just a pizzeria but a place where there was both innocence (the children) and evil (their murders) at the same time, and that this resulted in the creation of something beyond either life or death (the possessed animatronics).
Like I said, this may have already been well known, and you could probably guess that the tiles meant something even if you didn't know what specifically. But I thought it was interesting to point out nonetheless.
u/railroadspike25 — 15 days ago
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Foxy and Bub were the original Fazbear characters
This builds on FoxyFifties, which to briefly summarize, is the idea that Foxy was created in the 1950s at the peak of the popularity of cowboys. Some of main the reasons why this seems plausible are:
- Foxy and Roxy both have Western variants which don't match how they're portrayed in other contexts.
- The Deadeye Roxy Rodeo hat being in the starting area of Moon.exe suggests that it's associated with Fiona's childhood.
- Foxy and Friends aren't for sale in any of MCM's showrooms, which suggests that MCM doesn't fully own Foxy.
However that theory doesn't actually propose who created Foxy, just that Foxy is older than most people would think. This post though, will propose who might have created him. And that is Fazbear Entertainment.
In the Storytime Showroom, there's an audio log where Edwin appears to blame Fazbear for everything that's happened to him. He ends it by saying, "Dad was right." Edwin Sr. appears to have died sometime in the mid to late 60s, probably before David was born. This suggests that Fazbear is old enough to have had a bad reputation by the time that Edwin Sr. died.
The storybook ending tells the story of six characters that appear to represent real people that were associated with the early history of Fazbear. This story was generated before David died in 1975. One of them leaves, which causes the others to learn to stick together. I think that the person that left is the creator of Foxy.
The reasoning for this is, that if Foxy was created in the 50s, as I propose in FoxyFifties, and yet Foxy is still considered an integral part of early Fazbears, as suggested by the storybook, then how did MCM acquire the rights to the characters in the early 70s? The answer would be that Foxy was created by one of the original Fazbear founders, who then left, tried to make it on his own, failed, then sold the rights partially to MCM so that Edwin could use a once-popular IP for his automated puppet show idea.
Although I obviously don't fully subscribe to Friendship Theory I do think that the basic idea of it, that the Foxy log rides tell the same story as the Puppet Show, but are changed to show how Foxy was acquired by Fazbear, is probably mostly correct. When Fazbear re-acquired Foxy after acquiring MCM, they stripped him of his crew and made Foxy into a weird shifty loner type as seen in the Freddy & Friends shorts. So it's possible that this was the reason that Foxy's creator left, because Fazbear was insistent that Foxy was the only popular character, and should be made into his own property, but the creator wanted to keep all of Foxy's friends together. This would partially explain Roxy's deep insecurities, since some part of her remembers that she used to have friends and a place to belong, but Fazbear took that from her and made her a loner as well.
As for why Bub was also likely part of the Foxy crew, we see springlock Bub in the proto-Freddy's, but she was likely originally intended for Fredbears Family Diner. Three out of the four springlock suits that we see in R&D represent real people associated with Fredbears, with Afton being Spring Bonnie, Edwin being Monty, and Henry being Fredbear. So it stands to reason that Bub also represents someone associated with both Fredbears and Fazbear. So it's possible that Bub represents a founder of Fazbears who stayed when Foxy's creator left.
Outside of R&D we can find a diagram of the original version of Captain Springlock. But instead of a lion, it's a bulldog, which is probably what Bub is. However, the design of the character looks more like a cartoon bulldog, whereas the actual Bub springlock suit looks more like a Fazbear design. So MCM when designing the original bulldog springlock suit had more artistry than the person who designed the final suit.
What I think this points to is that Bub was part of the Foxy & friends crew, being created by either a founder of Fazbear, or at least someone associated with it. Foxy's creator left, and eventually partially sold the rights to MCM. Fiona and Edwin initially intended to use Bub as part of the pirate crew, but then discovered the rights to the character weren't actually owned by Foxy's creator, and were instead still held by Fazbear. So they changed the Captain to a lion instead. It doesn't make a ton of sense to have a bunch of woodland critters being commanded by what looks like an African lion, but it would have made some sense for the Captain to be a bulldog, since they were originally bred to corral animals.
Which brings this to who these two people could have been. "Fazbear" has always been a weird name in the series. Most names are either really obvious (like "Chica the chicken") or they're puns (like Fredbear being a pun on 'threadbare'). But Fazbear is neither. When Scott Cawthon came up with the name, I don't think it meant anything, but it's possible that he has changed it to mean something. Foxy is male and Bub is female. Fazbear has two syllables, one with three letters and one one with four letters, and sharing a letter between the two syllables. The first syllable starts with the same letter as Foxy, and the second syllable starts with the same letter as Bub.
In the 50s and 60s, there was a very influential TV production company called Desilu, which was Lucille Ball's and Desi Arnaz's company. The name is a combination of their two first names. Lucille Ball was the more business oriented one, while Desi Arnaz was the one who was better at schmoozing people. I think Fazbear might be something similar, but instead of their names, it's the initials of two married people: FZA and BERA. The husband, the more creative one, created Foxy but left over differences, while the wife, who created Bub, was the more business oriented one that stayed at Fazbear. Obviously I can't really guess what the actual names are, but I will say that one thing about bulldogs is that they are particularly known as an English breed.
So, if this is right, the timeline that has been generally understood to be correct since the Silver Eyes came out is just totally wrong. Fazbear has been around since the 50s, wasn't founded by Henry and William, and the original Fazbear characters were Foxy and Bub, not Fredbear and Spring Bonnie. I don't know how the general fandom would feel about this if it were true, but it answers who the six people represented by the storybook are, and it explains the mystery of Bub and some of the oddities with Foxy. Let me know what you think.
u/railroadspike25 — 28 days ago
▲ 6 r/fnaftheories
Edwin Murray and Dr. Faust
There are three main literary references that I think Secret of the Mimic draws from. Dr Frankenstein, which is pretty obvious; Paradise Lost by Milton, which I expounded on here; and Dr Faustus, the classic story of the man who makes a deal with the devil and comes to regret it. This isn't really that much of a surprise because these are three of the most common works to reference when making a story in English, but I think it's still worth pointing out. In this post I will demonstrate how Edwin's story mirrors that of Faustus and what that can tell us about where the story might be going.
When Edwin tries to make it on his own after inheriting his father's company, it doesn't go well. This timeline created by Youtuber Fazbear Entertainment is, as far as I know, not contradicted by anything and perfectly explains the order of events leading up to David's death.
What we can see in this timeline is that by the time MCM got involved with Fazbear in 1972, they were already in the red. Then they took two contracts with Fazbear which was enough to single-handedly bring MCM into profitability. The first contract was the Springlock contract. Edwin and Fiona worked on this together, and Fiona had to keep reminding Edwin to worry about the safety of the suits. They eventually deliver working models to Fazbear for the diner project. This causes Fazbear Entertainment to offer a second contract, one that is ludicrously profitable for MCM, but which comes with a lot of caveats and clauses that could backfire, namely that he has to put his land up as collateral and that any and all work that he does while working on the Fazbear restaurant project will belong to Fazbear Entertainment if he fails to deliver.
Edwin takes this deal out of a combination of desperation and hubris. He had been warned by his father not to trust Fazbear, but Edwin probably reasons that if they deliver on this contract, then MCM's future will be set. It's unknown how Fiona felt about this, but she seemed like she was willing to do her best to make it happen. But she unfortunately dies in a fire which she was only present for because she didn't trust that Edwin's technology would work as intended. This makes it much harder for Edwin to deliver on the contract and leaves him open to Fazbear's machinations.
This is actually not that similar to Dr. Faust. In Marlowe's play, the point of Faust is that he has accomplished everything that it was reasonably possible for a man to accomplish, but he wanted more than that. Faust sold his soul to the devil not for Earthly gain but for supernatural knowledge and power. Nevertheless, the phrase "Faustian bargain" has entered into the English language to mean someone who sells his soul (literally or figuratively) for gain, and that is definitely what Edwin does. But Edwin greatly underestimates Fazbear's perniciousness, and overestimates his own ability to handle it.
In the story, Faust does many things with his newfound power. But the one thing that Faust does that really damns him is that he asks the demon Mephistopheles to summon Helen of Troy back to the Earthly realm. Helen of Troy, of course, is supposed to be the woman whose kidnapping started the Trojan War. It is from Marlowe's play that we get the phrase, "the face that launched a thousand ships" to describe Helen's beauty. Helen is so captivatingly beautiful that Faust destroys his one last chance at redemption to stay with Helen. In reality though, the Helen that Faust essentially sells his soul for is not the real Helen of Troy, but rather a demon that has been made to look human. It is the final act of hubris and narcissism from Faust.
Edwin's Helen of Troy is M1.
\"The face that launched a thousand ships\"
M1 is the culmination of his life's work. The learning AI software that was in all of his inventions had become sophisticated enough that it could approximate a person's personality. For someone like Edwin, who was constantly working to find ways to replace humans with robots, this was a breakthrough. The fact that M1 could walk around and call itself Fiona was the triumph that Edwin had been searching for. The fact that it wasn't actually Fiona, and didn't have the full breadth of Fiona's personality, didn't matter to Edwin who still hadn't dealt with his grief and and was elated to have seemingly conquered death with his technology.
Edwin begins to spend more and more time with M1, neglecting his management duties and allowing MCM to slip further back into bankruptcy. Even the other admins take notice of how much time Edwin is spending with it, while neglecting profitable ventures.
Eventually, David dies. As horrific as this is, it gives Edwin a chance to wake up. Edwin initially resists turning David into a Mimic, realizing that the robot that he had been treating as 'Fiona' for two years is not really his late wife. He gets angry and realizes the depths of his failings as a father, husband, and man. This is where he could have turned things around. This is his last chance at redemption. Instead, F10-N4 convinces Edwin to forge ahead.
\"Come, Helen, give me my soul again.\"
I think that this audio log, found right after meeting F10-N4, is chronologically after all of the audio logs we find in the house where Edwin is yelling at the Mimic. It's this audio log where M1 convinces Edwin to build M2.
Dr Faustus is actually inspired by a real life incident. Johann Georg Faust was a somewhat respected 16th Century German academic and, importantly, an alchemist. Although he led a rather colorful life, supposedly performing various mystical feats, it's his death that inspired all of the legends and stories about him throughout Europe. And how did he die? He was found exploded in his study, most likely the result of an alchemical experiment gone awry. His body was found so grievously mutilated, that rumors quickly started spreading that the devil himself had come to collect the Doctor, and that he was torn apart by demons before his soul was dragged into Hell. The violent nature of Faust's death persists into all of the works inspired by him. And Edwin's death, it seems, is also inspired by it.
\"they found not Faustus but all the halls sprinkled with his blood\"
Edwin was supposedly working on a 'power source.' As mentioned by user u/BumpBandicoot the Mimic is probably supposed to be a Rebis, the alchemical 'perfect man' that can overcome death. So Edwin is an alchemist even if he does not really act like one. This power source was probably meant for the Mimic, although the exact nature of it, we are never told. Like Faust being visited by demons in his last moments, Edwin is visited by M2, who mocks him. Whether or not the Mimic is also responsible for Edwin's death is up for debate, but the point is that it's a result of Edwin's hubris one way or the other.
Which brings us to why all this matters beyond just some vaguely interesting surface level literary analysis. All these thematic connections to Dr. Faustus really do not bode well for EdwinLives. I used to be on the EdwinLives train, because I thought there were holes in the narrative that could only be filled in by Edwin. But upon realizing Edwin's similarities to Faustus, and realizing that many of these holes could also be filled by the admin Milton Z., I came to doubt EdwinLives. Edwin had numerous chances to stop what he was doing. Instead, his pride wouldn't let him turn back, and he ended up succumbing to his own hubris. The creation of F10-N4 was the fulfillment of his own narcissism, and he ends up dying being mocked by the very devil he brought into the world. It's a tragic end, but it's also one that is intended to be a moral tale. His death at the end of the Secret of the Mimic is thematically appropriate even if it's sad.
So that's what I've got. There's a lot of literary analysis on the various works on Dr. Faust over the years and I know only a tiny amount about it, so any errors that I've made or any additional information that I've left out that could be pertinent would be welcomed.
u/railroadspike25 — 1 month ago
▲ 11 r/fnaftheories
"Milton is the key to all this." The story of the admin Milton Z. and his relevance to the ongoing story.
In Security Breach, we learn the story of the Arcade Conspiracist. A background character whose story is told entirely in text logs, who is on a quest to find the Princess from Princess Quest. It was pretty reasonable at the time to think it was a cut quest, or an artifact of an earlier build, because of how little story the character had and the fact that you can't even do the quest that way the text logs say to. However the story paid off in Help Wanted 2. In that game we (most likely) play as the Arcade Conspiracist and help him finish his quest to find the Princess.
I believe that there is a similar story that Steel Wool has added into the background of Secret of the Mimic. A story told entirely in text logs and environmental clues, but which fills in the gaps not only in SOTM itself but very possibly also Security Breach, Ruin, and whatever the next main game is.
Milton Z is the head admin at Murray's Costume Manor. He is Edwin's right hand man and was the third most influential person at MCM in its heyday. I think he is also partially responsible for MCM's downfall and much of the current story.
The chronologically first text log that Milton is mentioned in is a text log where he tells Edwin how much the Chica's Party World client loves Fiona's designs.
Milton was the head admin, and thus he has to tell the other admins what to do. After Fiona died, it seems like he became the primary person who had to manage the staff. But he had to do it while balancing his admin duties, and he apparently wasn't as adept at weighing the staff's concerns against Edwin's demands as Fiona had been. It's also very likely that Edwin didn't listen to him the way he listened to Fiona.
For David's fifth birthday, Milton is the one that has to tell the staff that the admin conference room is being commandeered for David's surprise party. This means that Beverly's fiftieth birthday will have to be moved. This change makes the staff very unhappy, and they take it out on Milton, changing the code and messing with him.
The other admins don't respect Milton, seeing him as just Murray's lapdog
He is also the one that announces David's death to the rest of the staff and closes the conference room.
So Milton is someone that has seen Murray's Costume Manor at it's highest and it's lowest. He's seen firsthand how Fiona elevated everyone in the factory, and also how her death affected everyone and especially Edwin. Without someone like Fiona, Edwin's flaws become more and more pronounced and the staff start to become more and more dissatisfied. He is there for David's death and he sees how this causes Edwin to spiral even more. It is also likely that he sees Edwin create M1, since his office was right below Edwin's and he probably would have seen the Mimic coming and going. Which brings us to the start of Milton's villain arc.
At some point, Edwin replaces the recycling staff with Dollie. He tells the admins to start letting the support staff go. It's likely that Milton had to coordinate this. Rather predictably, it turns out that the automated recycling plant still needed a lot of support, and with the staff now let go, the admins are forced to make up for the lost productivity by putting in ridiculous hours in the power plant on top of their regular admin duties. Milton, the head admin who takes a lot of the slings and arrows for Murray while doing his dirty work, is nonetheless flagged by the system for "only" putting in a 40 hour work week.
We know how bad Edwin is at managing people. So it's very likely that when he saw that his head admin was flagged by the system, Edwin's reaction was probably not an understanding one. Despite all that Milton had done for him, it's not hard to imagine that Edwin reacted very strongly negatively. We don't know exactly when this happened, but it was almost certainly after Fiona died, and very likely after David died. So Edwin was at his worst by this point, and Fiona wasn't around to rein him in or mitigate him. Milton is forced to apologize and issues a proclamation to the rest of the staff.
This simple statement is intended to send a message to the rest the staff. No one is above Murray's rules. This is most likely when Milton decides to start selling out MCM to Fazbear.
To get the Executive permission, you have to go through a dark office, through a vent and into a storeroom with the Executive upgrade station.
And what is the mail log we find in the Executive Upgrade permission room? It's, of course, the 'Staff Contacts' log.
\"Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven\"
So MIlton's office is literally connected to the room which contains a log that shows Afton's dark influence in MCM. Milton went to Afton with the staff contact info, probably both to get back at Edwin and also to ensure the financial security of the employees that are still left at MCM. But the employee info isn't all that Milton leaked. After getting the upgrade you go up the stairs where there's an audio log. An audio log where Edwin is complaining about someone leaking the existence of the Mimic to Fazbear.
\"I figured it out...there's a leak!\"
So the environmental storytelling tells us that not only was Milton leaking information about the staff contacts, but also the Mimic itself. The leak was right under Edwin's nose and he was too blind to see it. This means that Milton is indirectly responsible for Arnold being in MCM as well. It's possible that if he hadn't mentioned the Mimic to Fazbear, they might not have found out otherwise. They also might not have been as aggressive about trying to put Edwin out of business.
This is where we come to a rudimentary English lesson. Milton shares his name with the English poet John Milton. John Milton's most famous work is 'Paradise Lost" an epic poem about Satan's fall from grace and his subsequent effort to corrupt humanity. The most famous line from Paradise Lost is "better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven." In context, this line is spoken by Satan to essentially cope with the fallout of his failed rebellion against God. This is essentially the admin Milton Z.'s attitude, it's better to run a Fazbear franchise location than it is to continue serving under Edwin. Murray's Costume Manor was hardly Edenic, but it does have Bibiical imagery in it. The Welcome Show has a very obvious depiction of a snake in the Garden of Eden, next a female figure whose fall precipitated the fall of the 'paradise.'
The Purple Snake here is very obviously Afton, and it represents his pernicious influence in MCM. But Milton was the final barrier to keeping that influence at bay, and instead Milton let Afton in. Telling Afton about the employee contact info was questionable, and arguably justifiable, but telling him about the Mimic was what really caused the remaining issues that MCM would have, and set into motion the current arc of the story.
So we know that Milton is indirectly responsible for Arnold being in MCM. But does he have any more influence on the modern story? I think he does, and in fact I think we can see his presence in several other games.
In the Tales From the Pizzaplex books, Edwin Murray doesn't die but instead comes back to Fazbear when he's older due to having a guaranteed contract with Fazbear. It is unknown whether Edwin survives in the games timeline, but I think the Tales story arc for older Edwin might have been adapted into Milton. Milton did have an offer from Afton to run a franchise location, and he might have been able to leverage that into getting more involved with Fazbear in general. His hands on knowledge of Murray's technology might have meant that he was the one who helped Murray's ideas into Freddy Fazbear's more generally.
But in Security Breach in particular, there are several rooms that, with benefit of hindsight, seem to hint at Milton's presence. Down in Basement 2, amongst the rooms which are reflections of rooms from Help Wanted, is a dark room with a projector and a Sun collectible in it.
Remember that Milton's office was dark with a projector in it. It was right across from Fiona's desk and the Chica's Party World conference room, the project that he and Fiona worked together on. Regardless of how exactly this room came to be in-universe, it seems to be representative of Milton still thinking about his lost friend. The visual similarities between the two rooms seem to be more than coincidental.
And the influence isn't just related to environmental clues. John Milton's most famous work is Paradise Lost, but that is usually paired with another work, "Paradise Regained." This work is about Satan falling to Christ and Eden being rediscovered through salvation. Another thing about John Milton was that he was a poet who did not like rhyming. He sought to write closer to the style of the ancient Greeks than to his 17th Century English contemporaries. So he wrote in non-rhyming verse using older English words. What does that remind you of?
\"...with frit and fraught and thought and zest and gest no blunt woes...\"
Whether or not John Milton would have specifically used the phrases found in wall code, I believe, doesn't matter. The point is that it's supposed to be reminiscent of a particular vernacular that's more common to the time of John Milton than it is to our time. I think Milton wrote this code for someone. It was intended to tell someone how to undermine Glitchtrap and save those that had been kidnapped. The same way that Tales Edwin wrote in code to try and influence the Mimic, so too did Milton write in code to tell someone what to do to stop what's going on at the Pizzaplex.
But it didn't stop there. In Ruin, when Gregory finally contacts Cassie, he mentions a "friend" who has maps of the building. This friend has a single syllable name, which may or may not start with an "M." Some people think it's Mike, some people think it's Vanessa, some people think it's Edwin and while these have good arguments for them, I think the general trend of the current arc is to introduce new or unseen characters rather than use old characters. So it won't surprise you who I think it is.
I am suggesting that this friend is Milton. Someone who would have known the layout of Murray's Costume Manor, known of the Mimic, and is still associated with Fazbear in the current year. Someone who was high ranking enough to have detailed maps of the property. Milton is a somewhat old fashioned name, and "Milt" is an old fashioned way to shorten Milton. So Gregory could easily be saying "Just follow [Milt's] instructions" in this dialogue.
If this is the case, Milt isn't just someone important to the background story of the current arc, he's someone actively involved in trying to undermine Fazbear and stop the Mimic. Obviously he'd be old now, but I don't think that really matters. There are old people who maintain their faculties well into old age, and Milton would be motivated to live up to the memory of his friend Fiona. This is a man who, out of wounded ego and misplaced sentiment, went from one boss who was egotistical and inadequate, and sold him out to someone who was downright evil, and gave that evil person exactly what he wanted. Milton wants to make up for the mistakes of his past, just like Michael Afton and Cassie's dad.
So that's my Milton Z. super-theory. Thanks for reading if you made it this far. I think it's unlikely that we'll play as Milton, since he would be like 90, but I would expect to see him as an important character in the next game. This doesn't mean that Edwin and Mike can't be alive, it just adds another character who could be potentially influencing things in the background.
u/railroadspike25 — 1 month ago
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Posting this as a debunk because it partially debunks [my own prediction](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/s/qAcZcV8uXj) for what's actually going on in Secret of the Mimic (though I still think that prediction could be substantially correct).
In December, Steel Wool published a Happy Holidays picture of David and the Mimic together. One thing that user u/Gloomy_Video_558 pointed out that I and I think a lot of people missed is that the legs of M1 are different from the Mimic that we see throughout Secret of the Mimic. In the happy holidays picture, the Mimic has symmetrical legs with shock absorber things on both the 'shins' and 'thighs' of the endoskeleton. But the actual in-game Mimic does not have symmetrical legs, and has only two shock absorber things rather than four.
So M2 looks different than M1 after it rebuilt its legs. I think this was pretty heavily hinted at in the game, but it's nice to have visual confirmation. That also means that we only see one endoskeleton, because the Mimic always looks like this in the game. And it means that the 'galumphing' noise that Mimic makes throughout the game probably isn't just a gameplay mechanic, but is instead resultant from its legs not having all the mechanisms they should have. So it's both literally and thematically unbalanced due to the violence that it's suffered.
u/railroadspike25 — 1 month ago
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In the Security Breach therapy tapes, Vanessa is Patient 71 and has had 39 sessions as of the first tape that gets played. The mysterious Patient 46 meanwhile has had 72 sessions. This suggests that Patient 46 both entered into therapy before Vanessa, due to having a lower patient number than her, and has had more sessions. The tape numbers go up sequentially as you play them, with Vanessa's final tape being numbered 12-7146, and P46's being numbered 16-4679, so the numbers don't seem to be random, with each patient having 8 tapes.
Under the consensus narrative, Vanessa gets infected first and then at some indeterminate point after that, after Glitchtrap starts establishing himself, Gregory also gets infected. So how does the fact that P46 has been in therapy longer square with that narrative?
u/railroadspike25 — 1 month ago
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I was doing a playthrough of Secret of the Mimic to get some screenshots, and I saw the White Tiger from an angle that I've never seen before. From behind, you can clearly see that there's separation between the head and body, and there's some stitching inside the head and neck. This only makes sense to me if White Tiger is an actual costume rather than a stuffed animal. The plush does have the zipper on the back that you see in the ghost version, but the separation between the head and body seems unique to the big version.
I don't know if this has any implications for my question from this morning about how David might have died: https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/s/BFSAAISM6y
u/railroadspike25 — 1 month ago
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It's a fairly popular belief that David Murray's death wasn't an accident, despite appearances to the contrary. I have tried over and over again to come up with a plausible narrative for how William could have done it based on everything that we see in Secret of the Mimic, but I haven't had much success. So, even if you don't think that Afton did it, how do you think he could have done it?
Here's everything we know about David's death, and feel free to add more details that I neglect to mention:
- In the Tales books, David dies in a tragic accident where he chases his ball into a busy street and gets hit by a white van. M1 is watching him but it didn't have legs so it couldn't stop him, and Edwin was elsewhere.
- In the games, David dies on his birthday, Dec 6th 1975. M1 was sent to retrieve David for his surprise party, but somehow David is discovered dead.
- In SOTM, the Murray factory is not near the road, but is instead secluded from everything. David's playground was near the loading docks where deliveries would be made. Edwin's lawyer warns this could be dangerous but Edwin doesn't think so.
- F10-N4 says that David's death is "terrible. And there's no logic behind it." This suggests that David's death was understood by Edwin at the time to be an accident.
- David's ball, associated with his death in the books, is found in the giant Moon head in Basement 1 underneath the destroyed theater backstage.
- The Moon head fell from the Storytime Showroom, which used to be David's hideout spot. There's an audio log in this room where Edwin says, "Never forget...they're behind it." The 'they' are likely Fazbear Entertainment. However, if he ever suspected Faxbear's involvement, it was not until after he had done a lot of work for them.
- In David's hideout, there's a picture of his fourth birthday which appears to depict M1 wearing a costume. This suggests that M1 couldn't move freely around MCM without being disguised, meaning it probably would have been disguised when it went to get David for his fifth birthday as well.
- The White Tiger, which appears to be David's ghost in some way, first appears in the destroyed theater, and later appears outside the admin wing right after you finish with the loading dock section. This could suggest that David's death had something to do with both the theater and the loading dock.
- In David's surprise party room in the admin wing, there is a slice of cake that does not match the large sheet cake which was going to be used for the party. This cake slice is identical to a cake seen in the Help Wanted minigame Pizza Party, which seems to be an abstract representation of the Missing Children's Incident.
- The White Tiger plush was added to Help Wanted 2, as an item you can acquire similar to the other memory dolls which represent Afton's victims, though this may not be anything other than a teaser.
- More speculatively, in Toy Chica the High School Years, Toy Chica recalls her last victim, Pigpatch. She hits Pigpatch with a shovel, puts a bag over his head, kidnaps him in her car, and then lies to Pigpatch by claiming that she was actually rescuing him from Balloon Boy. Pigpatch is a Mediocre Melody who probably originated from Murray Costume's Manor as the character Lasso Pig whose hat and mustache are found on David's birthday table in the admin wing. Pigpatch, unlike Lasso Pig, has heterochromia similar to the White Tiger.
So, this is all the potential evidence that I know of that could explain the circumstances of David's death.
The TL:DR of all this is that David's death is believed by characters in SOTM to be an accident, it has something to do with both the loading dock and theater, and there's some circumstantial evidence to suggest Afton is involved.
So, how might Afton have been responsible for David Murray's death given everything we know?
u/railroadspike25 — 1 month ago