Can this boy be degenerated into bracket 4 at all?

Can this boy be degenerated into bracket 4 at all?

I've tried degenerating this deck as much as possible, trying to have as much protection and burst draw as allowed. Shigeki and any recursion spell get infinite almost instantly, umbral mantle is infinite the turn it comes in, and many +1/+1 counters have innate protection:

The thing is that i'm not even sure he can get into higher brackets without some bullshittery ongoing. Maybe Kogla and the tower scout? Some other combos? I don't know if fast mana is viable, since i'm on a budget more or less.

Right now, the only combos I'm doing are [[hurricane]] + [[infirmary healer]] or [[glaciar godmaw]] and infinite combos onto dorks.

Please guys, be honest. Can this guy even leave bracket 2? Become bracket 4 AT ALL?

It feels like a stupid idea that only works when goldfishing, and that's it.

I'm hoping to know what are your thoughts!

u/saddler93 — 4 days ago
▲ 8 r/EDH

Doc Samson, dorkiest there is

Let's talk about it, I'll quietly float 37 green mana and explain that yes, this is all technically therapy.
No, this isn't Marwyn. This is a licensed medical professional, shut up. Also, your insurance doesn't cover this amount of mana, pay up.

And before you say: "this deck sucks, any interaction shuts it off!", remember: mono-green eats at the adult table. Won't this color be a part of the celestial choir when heavens open? I don't know what I'm trying to say. This deck is bracket 3 and you must expect interaction, but consider that nowadays everything's a threat. Are they gonna spend their removal on a mana dork? (yeah they probably will).

This deck is built around turning [[Doc Samson, Super Psychiatrist]] into the world's most overqualified mana dork. Every +1/+1 counter is another doctorate, every untap effect is another patient appointment, and eventually the entire table realizes they've accidentally funded universal healthcare. The deck looks innocent. It is not.

Apparently therapy is now a mana source.

Instead of [[Marwyn, the Nurturer]], I decided to be a bit more explosive. I like counters, I like more counters in my counters. He's a Super Dork.

Step 1:
Cast Doc. The deck has 11 1cmc mana spells, and 9 3cmc mana spells in order to get the doc as soon as possible. The hypermetric calculator seems to indicate this ratio is good, goldfishing has proven it is quite consistent.

Step 2:
Put +1/+1 counters on him with stuff like [[Hardened Scales]], [[Kami of Whispered Hopes]], [[Ozolith, the Shattered Spire]], [[Michelangelo, Weirdness to 11]] or the suspiciously sexy Hydra. Consider this scenario: tap doc for 3 mana, put Michelangelo by spending 2 and use burst of strength on the doc itelf. Congratulations, you now have 6 mana for more shenanigans.

Step 3:
Realize every untap spell is secretly a Black Lotus that attended medical school.

[[Mobilize]], [[Vitalize]], [[Burst of Strength]], [[Gift of the Viper]], [[Dragonscale Boon]], [[Boon of Boseiju]] Even the FOUR-MANA untap spells slap because paying four to make thirty is just good healthcare economics.

Draw package?

Yes. All of it. Every "draw equal to greatest power" card stays. I think every single one is in there:[[Soul's Majesty]], [[Return of the Wildspeaker]], [[Rishkar's Expertise]], [[Season of Gathering]], [[Terrasymbiosis]] If I'm not drawing at least 10 cards, something has gone terribly wrong with my treatment plan. Drawing 17 is surprisingly common. Green players don't believe in moderation (please don't try to draw 37 when your library has less than that number)

Shigeki is an actual menace.

[[Shigeki, Jukai Visionary]] deserves his own office. People keep killing Doc. Shigeki just brings back the entire treatment plan: untap spells, protection, draw, ramp, repeat. It's own function is to get infinite early on. Oh what's this, [[beneath the sands]]? A simple 3cmc ramp card? Oh nevermind, it draws your whole deck with shigeki, my bad.

Win conditions

Option A:

[[Umbral Mantle]]. If you're poor, [[Sword of the Paruns]] has the same degree from Community College.

Option B:

[[Hurricane]] plus [[Infirmary Healer]]. No combat required. No blockers required. No consent required. Everybody gets therapy. Everybody (but me) dies.

Option C:

[[Glacier Godmaw]] Sometimes the healthiest coping mechanism is making twenty-seven enormous hasty idiots.

Protection includes stuff like [[Tyvar's Stand]], [[Silkguard]], [[Snakeskin Veil]], [[Beast Within]], and a comically one-sided [[Spinning Wheel Kick]] because occasionally your psychiatrist prescribes violence.

Freud would have called this a green mana fixation. Jung would've said the deck represents the collective unconscious. The insurance company calls it "out of network." The table calls it "kill him first."

They're all correct.

This is borderline simplicity that aims to combo very early on. Mulligans must be very aggressive but consistency is there. There's interaction and protection, but in mono-green this package is a bit lackluster. If you want it to be better, remove the Shigeki package and add interaction such as [[song of the dryads]] and [[Kenrith's transformation]]

u/saddler93 — 7 days ago

Doc Samson, dorkiest there is. Bracket 3. 100€

https://preview.redd.it/fi50so8jg7ah1.png?width=423&format=png&auto=webp&s=4ca3a02ada724bbe9a5e91e3cb80802a4f2efb25

Let's talk about it, I'll quietly float 37 green mana and explain that yes, this is all technically therapy.
No, this isn't Marwyn. This is a licensed medical professional, shut up. Also, your insurance doesn't cover this amount of mana, pay up.

This deck is built around turning [[Doc Samson, Super Psychiatrist]] into the world's most overqualified mana dork. Every +1/+1 counter is another doctorate, every untap effect is another patient appointment, and eventually the entire table realizes they've accidentally funded universal healthcare. The deck looks innocent. It is not.

So I built [[Doc Samson, Super Psychiatrist]], because apparently therapy is now a mana source.

Instead of [[Marwyn, the Nurturer]], I decided to be a bit more explosive. I like counters, I like more counters in my counters. He's a Super Dork.

Step 1:
Cast Doc.

Step 2:
Put +1/+1 counters on him with stuff like [[Hardened Scales]], [[Kami of Whispered Hopes]], [[Ozolith, the Shattered Spire]], [[Michelangelo, Weirdness to 11]], etc.

Step 3:
Realize every untap spell is secretly a Black Lotus that attended medical school.

[[Mobilize]], [[Vitalize]], [[Burst of Strength]], [[Gift of the Viper]], [[Dragonscale Boon]], [[Boon of Boseiju]]

Even the FOUR-MANA untap spells slap because paying four to make thirty is just good healthcare economics.

Draw package?

Yes. All of it. Every "draw equal to greatest power" card stays. I think every single one is in there:[[Soul's Majesty]], [[Return of the Wildspeaker]], [[Rishkar's Expertise]], [[Season of Gathering]], [[Terrasymbiosis]] If I'm not drawing at least 10 cards, something has gone terribly wrong with my treatment plan. Drawing 17 is surprisingly common. Green players don't believe in moderation (please don't try to draw 37 when your library has less than that number)

Shigeki is an actual menace.

[[Shigeki, Jukai Visionary]] deserves his own office. People keep killing Doc. Shigeki just brings back the entire treatment plan: untap spells, protection, draw, ramp, repeat.

Win conditions

Option A:

[[Umbral Mantle]]. If you're poor, [[Sword of the Paruns]] has the same degree from Community College.

Option B:

[[Hurricane]] plus [[Infirmary Healer]]. No combat required. No blockers required. No consent required. Everybody gets therapy. Everybody (but me) dies.

Option C:

[[Glacier Godmaw]] Sometimes the healthiest coping mechanism is making twenty-seven enormous hasty idiots.

Protection includes stuff like [[Tyvar's Stand]], [[Silkguard]], [[Snakeskin Veil]], [[Beast Within]], and a comically one-sided [[Spinning Wheel Kick]] because occasionally your psychiatrist prescribes violence.

Freud would have called this a green mana fixation. Jung would've said the deck represents the collective unconscious. The insurance company calls it "out of network." The table calls it "kill him first."

They're all correct.

This is borderline simplicity that aims to combo very early on. Mulligans must be very aggressive but consistency is there.

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u/saddler93 — 7 days ago
▲ 74 r/DegenerateEDH+1 crossposts

Degenerating [[mole man, moloid master]]

https://moxfield.com/decks/7e2eAWAr2nWt79qdeIN6eg

I tried as hard as my brain can go, which is not much. Basically you mill, recuperate, play 5-6 fetches per turn for 10+ moloids, give them haste with godmaw glacier and go bananas.

When goldfishing, all games end at turn 5-6, but i'd like to know what would you add or remove to make this deck worth of this sub.

Can't add the expensive fetches, either lands or tutors, but i think it has an acceptable curve. (Decided to remove 2-3CMC ramp spells that do not sacrifice lands, since they're not needed, but i can put them back if you think they're needed)

What do you think? Thank you so much!

u/saddler93 — 14 days ago

Carnage, crimson chaos and twilight diviner rulings

Hello! I've been trying to make a [[Carnage, crimson chaos]] deck with an intention to make it bracket 3, since not many legendaries have ETB reanimator in rakdos. [[Twilight diviner]] sounds like a perfect fit in there, but I was wondering about a particular interaction:

1- twilight diviner on the battlefield

2- carnage is on the graveyard and can be reanimated

3- there's another creature Carnage can reanimate

In this scenario, can I reanimate Carnage and make it so that his effect takes action before Twilight diviners? I think she triggers and makes a copy of Carnage, but I'd like to know if i can stack the effects so Carnage resolves first, and then she copies whatever he brought back up, since the text says "whenever one or more"

Sorry if I didn't explain myself properly!

Thank you so much!

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u/saddler93 — 1 month ago