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Ainok Strike Leader and Propaganda

I attack Player 2 with [[Ainok Strike Leader]]. Player 3 has [[Propaganda]] out. Do I have to pay 2 for the 1/1 goblin attacking Player 3? I didn’t choose to attack them, it’s automatic. What happens if I don’t have 2 mana?

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u/SoaringAutumn — 5 hours ago

Quick question about Enduring Story and legendary rule

For context I’m building [[Balin, Loremaster]] as a commander deck with a lot of effects like [[Twinflame]].

Let’s say I have Balin, [[Jaxis the Troublemaker]] and no other artifacts or legendaries, and use Jaxis’ ability to copy Balin. One will die, but will I have an Enduring Story?

I think so but I wanted to confirm before taking the deck to a commander night.

Thank you so much!

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u/Nuclearsunburn — 7 hours ago

Multiple exile abilities

I'm building a clue lazav deck, and I want to know if I turn lazav into an urborg scavengers and exile a darksteel angel with the urborg scavengers ability, can I turn the lazav into a darksteel angel.

tldr if I exile a card using the ability of the creature lazav copies, can I copy the creature I exiled

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u/gentooian_is_best_ep — 9 hours ago

Question Regarding the Stack and Priority With Instant-Speed Removal

I was trying to explain this to my friend, but I can't seem to explain it well.

Just to make sure I'm getting this right, lets start from the top with the example at hand:

Lets say [[Morophon, the Boundless]] and [[Fist of Suns]] are out on the board. This lets you cast the chosen creature type for free. Morophon has just entered the battlefield and priority passed as usual, no responses from the board. Now my friend put a cast trigger on the stack to play a creature from their hand. When priority is passed again, someone else targets Morophon with an instant speed removal spell. My friend tried to say that before that removal spell resolves they could play the rest of the creatures from their hand.

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u/Content-Wrongdoer-61 — 12 hours ago

New Blood and DFCs

Does [[New Blood]] change the instances of a creature type on both sides of a DFC? The exact interaction that came up for me was casting New Blood on [[Kuja, Genome Sorcerer]], changing Wizard to Vampire. He flipped on my end step to [[Trance Kuja, Fate Defied]]. Does Trance Kuja double all damage that my vampires do?

Thanks in advance!

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u/NerdSoda — 8 hours ago

Gandalf avoid commander tax?

Does Gandalf, goblins bane avoid commander tax if you use the adventure from the command zone?

Can you use the adventure spell from the command zone?

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u/kiba283580 — 16 hours ago

Vnwxt, Verbose Host with Wizard's Staff

With the release of the new Hobbit set, I've pulled a [Wizard's Staff] from a booster pack. This started me to wonder if this card works with [Vnwxt, Verbose Host]. I play Vnwxt as a Commander in a Budget Deck — it includes [Teferi's Ageless Insight]. Both Vnwxt and Teri’s Insight work together, multiplying my card draws. As far as I know, this works, because both cards count as different objects within a game. Do I also benefit in the same way as the staff is equipped to Vnwxt instead?

So far, I guess this is only my wishful thinking and was unable to find anything specific about these two cards combined.

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u/__jub — 15 hours ago

Sivriss, Nightmare Speaker and Rest in Peace

What happens if I activate Sivriss, Nightmare Speaker's ability while one of my opponents controls a Rest in Peace or similar effect?

The ability says "return that card from your graveyard to your hand." I know Sivriss can "see" the exiled cards thanks to rule 701.17c, but I'm unsure if that means I can put the cards into my hand from exile if my opponents choose not to pay 3 life.

701.17c. An effect that refers to a milled card can find that card in the zone it moved to from the library, as long as that zone is a public zone.

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u/Daakiness — 12 hours ago

Casey Jones, Asphalt Hooligan vs Pump

I'm building [[Casey Jones, Asphalt Hooligan]] and I'm trying to figure out how his doubling works in relation to external boosts such as equipment, auras, or +1/+1 counters.

If I have Casey equipped with say [[Tenza, Godo's Maul]], which gives him +3/+3 and trample, then activate his doubling ability, does he get +5/+0 or only +2/+0?

I would assume it'd be +5/+0, but I'm second guessing, since a friend of mine built [[Tifa Lockhart]] and said he calculates her power doubling BEFORE adding buffs from equipments, auras, and such.

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u/Reasonable_Sink_2722 — 15 hours ago

Talon Gate of Madara

I’m still relatively new to MTG and felt a little bit like a moron tonight because I didn’t really understand this, so maybe you guys can explain it to me.

I was playing Commander with 4 friends.

I used the 4 mana card ability on Talon Gate of Madara to attempt to phase out my opponent’s commander creature who was going to do lethal damage to me.

He responded with Defend the Rider to give his creature hexproof which negated Talon of Madaras phase out effect because it was a targeted ability.

I understand what hexproof does, but I am just confused by the timing. If I have to pay 4 and chose a target while Talon Gate is in my hand and it phases out the targeted creature when it enters the battlefield, wouldn’t the trigger happen based on the timing of when the card went out and not priority re: stack? Isn’t his creature technically targeted pre the card being played?

I am not trying to be a sore loser, just trying to understand how the order works

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u/Megzu — 23 hours ago

How does Exile interact with with Mikias

I had a player play Curse of the Swine and wiped the Mikais players board in response to that the Mikias player sacrificed all of his creatures using Mikias and then brought them back with undying stating that the mass exile did not effect him since the sacrificing happens at instant speed. Is that right? Would the exile not be the last thing to resolve on the stack?

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u/Brozaac2112 — 1 day ago

How does Terra, Herald of Hope interacts with cards with */* power and toughness?

I'm trying to build a Terra, Herald of Hope commander deck, but I'm struggling to find how this kind of interaction works.

[[Terra, Herald of Hope]] attacks and deals damage, I pay 2 and bring back a card from the graveyard to the battlefied. I have a [[Malignus]] in the graveyard and my opponents have 12 and 30 life? How is the P/T from the Malignus read?

In another example I have a [[Regal Bunnicorn]] in the graveyard, how is its P/T read? Can I bring it back from the graveyard to the battlefield with Terra's second ability?

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u/silver_element — 21 hours ago

Shroofus Token Interaction

I was playing my [[Shroofus Sproutsire]] deck and I had an [[Adaptive Automaton]] on my board and someone else had an effect that was giving everything -1/-1. Would my tokens still enter as normal 1/1’s because the counters would offset each other? We ended up playing it out like my tokens would immediately die and it didn’t seem correct.

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u/TheHeaterr — 21 hours ago

Princess Yue & Supper for Spiders Questions

Hey All,

I wanted to ask a few questions about how Princess Yue and Supper for Spiders would work for some different cards (for Princess Yue, assume I've had a clone come in as a copy of Princess Yue, then a copy of the card in question).

Pensive Professor; if it is a land and/or artifact from one the cards; it will not have a power, even if it has +1/+1 counters on it - So effectively, every spell I cast will trigger increment, and therefore trigger a card draw?

Pollywog Prodigy; similar to Pensive professor, since it has no power as a land or artifact, it effectively cannot draw a card, even if the spell is a zero cost, because it's PP power and toughness don't exist (and/or are considered zero). It can still accumulate a ridiculous amount of +1/+1 counters though, right? Which seems like there could be something interesting to abuse there. (Maybe Earth Bend or artifact animation?)

In relation to copy spells; either copying the land and/or artifact (token or clone), I have heard it'll actually go back to the original creature it entered as - is this true? Why is this the case? I assume it has something to do with copiable values?

Do the lands and artifacts still maintain their Mana Value? I'm not sure why this would be relevant, but I'm curious. For lands in particular, it seems weird they would have a mana value, but I don't see why they wouldn't either haha.

Are there any other weird interactions to look out for with these cards?

Thanks!

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u/SwaggaSlip — 21 hours ago

Storm and copying

Storm count is 3 I cast [[tendrils of agony]] do 4 copies of tendrils go on the stack or does one go on allowing me to use an effect like [[return the favor]] to get 3 more copies for 7 total tendrils

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Does False Orders oracle text check block restrictions?

I asked some for clarification on how [[False Orders]] works in Mtgrules, and dont know if I agree with the answer I got.

They said blocking restrictions don’t apply and that you can literally have a creature block a creature that isn’t even attacking the controller of the targeted creature.

is this true?

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False Orders can target any "creature defending player controls", even if that creature is neither attacking nor blocking (C.R. 115.1a). And, when it resolves, after the creature is removed from combat, "you" may have the creature block "an attacking creature of your choice", no matter who controls the attacker or what it's attacking. See also: https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgrules/comments/1bryi8q/removing_creatures_from_combat/

Note that C.R. 509.1b-c apply only to the process of declaring blockers under C.R. 509.1. It doesn't apply in other cases. And C.R. 509.4b, relating to creatures that enter the battlefield blocking, doesn't apply to False Orders. See also: https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgrules/comments/1op7f3g/what_does_false_orders_not_do/

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Consider that False Orders dates from the beginning of the Magic game's history, when the Magic game was officially only a two-player game.”

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u/Curious_Injury_6263 — 1 day ago

Slinza, the Spiked Stampede and Master Chef Interaction

I have my commander [[Slinza, the Spiked Stampede]] on the board, along with the enchantments [[Master Chef]], [[Hardened Scales]], and [[Terrasymbiosis]].

I then play a [[Herd Baloth]].

Are the +1/+1 counters from Slinza and Master Chef considered to be separate abilities and resolve separately?

So would the Herd Baloth trigger twice when it enters making two tokens and entering with +4/+4 counters, or would it all be triggered together for 1 beast token and +3/+3 counters added?

The Terrasymbiosis, I assume, would have a similar result of either drawing 2 cards, or 3 cards depending on the triggers.

Thanks in advance!

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u/The_Artrea — 1 day ago

Dread Tiller and Riveteers Overlook

Just played a game where Riveteers Overlook was in the graveyard when 5 creatures with -1-1 counters on them died. So would this allow me to use Riveteers Overlook effect 5 times?

So it'd be a creature dies, Riveteers is brought back to play causing it to be sacrificed for land, which sends it back to graveyard, then it could be used for the other creatures that died?

I've only been playing a few months at once a week so these kind of interactions are confusing still.

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u/dilandrus — 1 day ago

Zur the enchanter-- stack question

When attacking with Zur (in a 1v1) my opponent responds to the attack with veil of summer. Once it resolves does the Zur trigger resolve or is there another round of priority to respond to the Zur trigger with the card they drew?

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u/Low-Present-8846 — 1 day ago

[[Kiora, Sovereign of the Deep]] and all the triggers

On the board

[[Kiora, Sovereign of the Deep]]

[[Monstrous Vortex]]

[[Elemental Bond]]

[[Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty]]

I pay 4uu for [[Summon: Leviathan]] what the hell happens after that?

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