The moon is not destroyed in this shot, only a small chunk is displaced
He can’t fly so he needs to abuse newtons laws to stop himself from getting flung
Frozen Lotus is an attack that sends out frozen mist combined with his blood, where his microscopic blood particles enter your lungs through breathing and then crystalize... ergo damaging your lungs and other internal organs just by breathing
Gojo needs to breathe and wouldn't know this is how Douma's attack works nor would he be able to evade it given how fast Douma is... so I guess the real question is... on top of that the attack isn't really an attack until it's already in your lungs... so would infinity register the frozen mist? And if it does. will it block all the mist or just the mist with his blood infused in it? Gojo still needs to breathe after all, and given the nature of the attack in question would that not mean that Douma's blood demon art would in fact get through his defense?
So I’ve been trying to figure out how big this thing would need to be for a while now and have come to the conclusion that there’s no agreed upon estimate… so this is really just to cover and debunk a few things, especially with the show now acting as solid evidence as well:
This thing is absolutely massive: yeah so ive heard so many debunks of this saying that it’s not even the size of the planet, but just a large moon acting in orbit of the planet! However that is simply not the case:
And here it is very clearly much much closer to the sun given how much of the screen it’s filling!
It was done via chain reaction, not one big blast: In the tv show, which has been stated by Kirkman to be his second draft… instead of firing a beam that took out the disk in one big shot, the blast was instead done by 2 proton torpedoes!
We can however say this… the missiles cannot be attributed vaporizing the disk, as clearly its own stored power was also apart of it!
The viltrumites scale far above the disk: Thaedus said it clearly: “Your ship stands no chance against a viltrumite cruiser!” Now many might say he‘s just being cautious or something… but this is thaedus, bro was a viltrumite and a Warrior, he knows how tough those ships are! Not only that he may be one of the founding members of the coalition too! If he says “your ship stands no chance!” Then there’s a very good chance he’s right! Which is a problem when:
Tearing through these ships is possible by half the cast
Debunks:
Rognarr planet has only 10x earths gravity: Yeah no! viltrumites aren’t kryptonians… they are just as strong on their homeworld as they are anywhere else!
If you need proof, here’s Nolan being on the edge of a massive black hole’s outer ring!
I’ve been trying to find the true gravity of Rognarr planet with different scales, but it enters the realm of impossible way too quickly!
So where should this be scaled? I’m trying to make a 3D animation for the scale and itd be possible if I knew the size of the sun we were working with
A couple things I've learned:
Dragonball earth's moon is bigger than the bug planet vegeta nuked!
Planet vegeta apparently does not need to be 10 times earths diameter according to physics
modeling king kai's planet was a complete waste of time given the scale present.
The lower than the lowest lowball I found for the invincible sundisk is still massively larger than all of them put together! (Kinda wanted to just show it off again! Twas hard finding the proper scale)
If you've got questions as to how I landed at these sizes, just ask in the comments below!
So I was trying to make both pictures I had line up accurately and this is what I got...
Now to be clear... this is assuming the star Rognarr planet orbits is the size of our sun... which in turn would make Rognarr planet likely smaller than earth! At least based on what I could do.
The rings planet is Jupiter cause I wanted to give an accurate scale to everything.
So yeah uhh... lower than the lowest lowball again... this is the size of the solar disk... and just for perfect accuracy... when rendered the earth next to it and jupiter next to it get sunlight... Rognarr planet does not.
Don't go off of "Well character A is stronger because planet blow up!" go off the feat itself!
Seriously is destructive feats the only way people try to scale things?
Do we need to see every planetary character destroy one planet?
I’ll start by saying this:
Speed: The only calculable speed feat we can really go off of is Nolan’s trip to Thraxxa and he was suicidally depressed and not aiming anywhere… they‘re very comfortably in the MFTL ranges and don’t fly that fast on planets because it would cause mass destruction… they’re conquerers not destroyers!
Strength: Mark Grayson has thrown building sized golems past the moon so fast they still had fire from the atmosphere on them! Mark with the help of the tick pushed an entire moon out of Mars’s orbit to crush a guy beneath it! Nolan has pushed a planet capable of possessing oceans and sustaining advanced life, out of orbit and closer to the sun in a relatively short amount of time! Stars are easy work to escape from, large black holes are not dangerous to them so long as they don’t pass the event horizon! And fighting on absolutely massive planets like Thraxxa do not create too much strain on their bodies, with Rognarr planet being the only example of their movement being inhibited! Id say comfortably that Nolan tiers and above are capable of moving planets, and those below can move moons and other massively stellar objects. This is also their most terrifying stat for crossverse battles as most characters can’t do this.
Durability and power: The most contentious so I’ll split it into tiers:
Thula Tier: These are the weakest of the remaining viltrumites! And they still tear through their own ships fairly easily, as well as tear apart other viltrumites with not an impossible amount of effort. Given the kinds of shit their ships can apparently Tank, I’d put them comfortably at planetary.
Lucan Tier: Same but more powerful than the Thula tiers. Planetary +
Nolan Tier: What’s important to note with Viltrumites is that they have a weakness to extreme heats, meaning that destroying planets is really difficult as it’d be like trying to destroy something with a melting stick of butter! So given Nolan, halfway through the series no less… was capable of planetary level destruction, kinda says quite a bit! By halfway Id put him at large planetary inching towards truly multiplanetary!
Thragg tier: I would put him at star level… not only does it track given the gap between him and Nolan, but it’s also supported by the fact that Dinosaurus broke his jaw on thragg! Now you could say ”Omnipotus was a glass canon!” First off we don’t have proof, but second: even if he was he still f’ing exploded in Dinosaurus‘s mouth, and did zero damage! The dude that EATS STARS, mind you! Even if that was only a fraction of star power it still did no damage to dinosaurus to survive the explosion! And yet it broke his jaw to fail in hurting Thragg! Bro didn’t even break his skin!
feel free to disagree but try to be civil please
Round 1: Gaston is just a regular civilian and hunter
Round 2: Gaston got greedy and is now gonna try for the scouts!
Round 3: Gaston is now a scout, and therefore must survive the rest of the series as a scout
I made a little animation finding out the true scale of planet thraxxa and I'm hoping to try out how big Rognarr planet! It's not as easy due to fact that we don't know if those are moons or not. Or thier position next to the planet
Can't you see how the entire universe literally quivered from that headbutt! Clearly Universal headbut!
The moon is not the proper distance away from planet thraxxa to be doing this keep in mind... this is lower than a lowball as the moon would simply crash into the planet from this distance.
The moon is the absolute smallest it could be, the earth and sun are to scale...
dear lord this is a scary planet
Please debunk me with science in the comments if you can... no going off of vibes:
Proportionately speaking the crust of a planet shouldn't be all that thick, so why did it take invinicble so long to get to the molten mantle from the planets surface... and why weren't they in the actual hot part of the planet all that long at all comparitively?
Does viltrum have a thicker crust than earth proportionately?
I highly doubt that you don’t know what death battle is. But just in case it’s a YouTube show where they take 2 fictional characters, do the math on their abilities, and find out how strong they are! Personally if I were to pick characters for final space to fight I’d pick:
Gary Goodspeed: I want him to fight Finn the Human! They have so much in common and both got their arms literally torn from their bodies!
Ash: I want Ash to fight Raven from DC comics
Avacato: I want Acacato vs Gamora from the guardians of the galaxy
What would be your picks if you got a choice?
The Eternal Elf with thousands of years to hone her magical skill, vs a witch who was making pocket dimensions before she could legally drink!
Who will win in this battle of raw magical might and talent?
These two are shockingly similar people:
They both lost their arm. They are both the joy of the party. They are both endlessly noble and kind protectors. They are both massively traumatized! And they are both dumb blondes…
So who would win? Because if we bring in their sidekicks well: one is a stretchy dog and the other is a planet killer the size of a beachball… so it’ll have to be 1v1
For a moment let’s stop fighting one another and talk about how a Dragonball fusion of Invincible and Gohan would be virtually unbeatable!
In fact, name other fusions of Dragonball X invincible characters that could end up being stronger than these two’s fusion! Have fun with it! Come up with the most broken possible combinations you can! What could they do!?
For a moment just stop fighting! And enjoy the ass kicking power of fusion!
look, we know what the guidebook says… 1.25x earth gravity. The guidebook is a bit shoddy on a lot of other details too, so let’s pretend for a moment that the guidebook didn’t exist, and we had to look at reference images to figure out how big the planet was. Just as the thought experiment of course.
The reason I’m asking is because of the realization that there are several planets in the invincible universe that are simply on some bullshit.
We all know Rognarr planet is dumb… with gravity, pulling against the Nolan higher than the disk around a black hole…
However, I have recently found out that apparently Olivers homeworld Thraxxa is actually almost 4 times the size of our sun, and likely over 250x earths gravity at a lowball!
That’s pretty ridiculous! So I thought it would be fun if we examined what we could about Viltrum and other planets in the invincible universe to see if there are any other stupidly huge bullshit planets!
I think Rognarr planet may be a few dozens times bigger than our sun if Thraxxa is this f'ing big!
