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Dutch naval ambitions to counter the ever rising Japanese sun across its many far away colonial empires started quite a long way actually. All the way from The 1910s where the dutch estimated and began planning to build well over 6+ battleships and many other ships. However the start of WW1 and then the devastating economic crisis that came after effectively ended any and all plans involving the navy. Troubles with parliament voting for funding also severely impacted plans to build such ships, with the extremely outdated java class being the only real large ships ever built. However by the 1930a the economic situation began getting better but the rising threat of the Japanese empire grew exponentially. Therefore emergency plans were immediately drawn up for the building of destroyers, cruisers, submarines and even capital ships. In the mid to late 1930s the design of a flotilla leader that can outgun the powerful Japanese destroyers and spearhead the destroyers was being created. This ended up becoming the dutch tromp class. The tromp class represented a middle point between a large destroyer and a light cruiser at about 3800-4100 tons standard. The ship**’s main armament is what made it special. Mounting 6 152MM (6”) guns in 3 twin turrets, two forward and one aft. These guns obviously heavily outmatched the typical destroyer guns and that ranged between 120-130MM on a relatively small hull. Such a design was heavily similar to the failed German attempts at making upgunned destroyers like the 1937 class and the later 1936 (mob) class. Which was partly thanks to tromps being nearly 1200+ tons bigger. The two sisters were ordered in 1935 and eventually finished commissioning in 1939-1940. The two sisters were 131.95 m (432 ft 11 in) in length, 12.43 m (40 ft 9 in) in beam and a draft of 4.32 m (14 ft 2 in). Speed came courtesy of 4 yarrow boilers feeding two parson steam turbines that fed two screws and finished off by one funnel. Speed was a respectable 32-34 knots which was enough for her to lead other destroyers. Interestingly she was originally commissioned with 2 twin 40MM bofors which ironically gave her an AA suit far superior to many other destroyers. The armament was finished off by a pair of triple torpedo tubes, however these were actually mounted on the port and starboard and not midline like other destroyers. Interestingly though, the ships ALSO mounted a single scout plane amidship, which gave them a powerful reconnaissance tool. These two vessels, tromp and Jacob Van Heemskerck represented the very best of the dutch surface fleet, only behind de-ruyter and just slightly behind the java class. However armour was almost nonexistent. At just 15-30MM of protection these were essentially splinter proof, which was done to achieve good speed. However during the second world-war jacob couldn’**t be completed to the original configuration. Therefore the completed yet turret-less hull was transported to great Britain where it was decided to re-arm them. The NEW main armament of jacob instead became 5 twin 102MM dual purpose guns. 3 twins in the original turret locations and 2 WING mounted twin turrets in place of the now removed torpedo tubes. And the original twin bofors guns were replaced my a single quadruple pom-pom mounting (debatable whether this was a good choice or not). Nevertheless, the two ships entered the war. Despite her superior armament tromp was severely damaged by 127MM shells from asashio during the battle of badung strait while only inflicting very minimal damage on said Japanese ships despite the superiority in armament. Otherwise the two sisters spent the majority of their career as escorts. During the war tromp acquired radar and 4 single 76MM guns alongside 6 20MM mounts and 2 single 40MM bofors while jacob returned to using 2 twin 40MM bofors. Both sisters survived the war. Meaning that these two were the only large dutch warships to ever survive the war.

If you have any questions feel free to ask~

During the interwar periods the only cruisers that sailed the South American waters and bore the different flags of the south American navies and ports were armoured cruisers, scout cruisers and protected cruisers. All very old, outdated and slow. With their main armaments ranging from 120MM (4.7”) all the way to 254MM (10”, though the latter tended to be in single mounts**). During this period a large naval development plan was passed in the Argentinian parliament to fund a 10 year build plan including multiple new destroyers and submarines from various navies including maintenance and retrofits for the current warships. However the decision was also made to build brand new modern cruisers as well. Right off the bat, budget sizes immediately placed ALOT of restrictions on said, the main idea was to build a heavy cruiser that was smaller and cheaper than contemporary heavy cruisers. Especially helped by the fact that their cruiser opposition from neighbouring nations were as stated before, outdated and slow. The Italian company OTO was chosen for their cheaper price (italy itself being chosen thanks to close relations between the two nations). The Trento class cruisers were chosen as basis for this new class. To save weight, a new unique calibre of gun was created specifically for these ships. The 190MM (7.5”)/52 caliber gun, something no other cruiser had. With the closest being the soviet kirov class (also designed by Italian engineers) being 180MM. These guns obviously were weaker than a traditional 203 (8”) main caliber found on other ships. Firing a 90KG shell at a distance of 23KM (by comparison, the British 203MM fired a 114KG shell at a distance of 28KM). However the guns were STILL too heavy. And so the decision to reduce the main armament to only 3 twin turrets was made instead of four. The secondary armament was also interesting, being 6X2 102MM dual purpose guns, 3 twin on each side, giving her a surprisingly good AA coverage for her time alongside 6-8 British built 40MM single mounts however thanks to weight savings again, the 102MM guns were left without gun shielding and protection which severely limited them during certain weather conditions and other situations. Finally the combat armament was finished off with 3 torpedo tubes per side, each mounted internally and fired from tubes at the side. The propulsion was given by 6 British built parson boilers driving two large screws and into a single trunked funnel giving them a pretty good 32-33 knot top speed and a good range. When she was eventually laid down, the ship had these characteristic:** 162.5 meters long, 170.8 meters overall and 17.8 meters in beam (so 1/10 ratio like the Trento), and 4.66 meters draft when fully loaded and finally the size ended up being 6800 tons standard and 9000 tons fully loaded. The ships were commissioned in 1931. Two ships were built. Veinticinco de Mayo and her sister Almirante brown. However a third ship was planned but the decision was cancelled. Instead the resources were diverted to later build the British made la argentina light cruiser.

Post WW2. The sisters were retrofitted. Their secondary armament was entirely removed. Replaced by single bofor 40MM mounts alongside the older 40MM mounts being removed and replaced by said bofors. However most of this weight that was removed thanks to this was eventually balanced out by the addition of radar and new fire control systems. The two sisters were eventually superseded by the new Brooklyn class light cruisers that entered service in the 1950s and would eventually be sold to scrapping sometime later.

If you have any questions feel free to ask!

Introduction**:** I decided to compile a list of nations that aren**’**t in the game YET but will likely end up in here at some point down the line. These are individual ships and not full TT lines.

I will split this post into 2 sections. One are ships above Tier V that will probably be a-lot more engaged with as actual ships. The second part will be purely collecting worthy ships, basically anything below tier III since those are mostly for collectors purposes.

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Tier V commonwealth light cruiser PNS Babur.

Let**’**s start this list with the biggest (tonnage wise) ship of this list, the Pakistani PNS babur. Babur was an Ex-British light cruiser of the bellona class (essentially Dido but missing a turret), being HMS diadem, who already had a pretty active history. She was mainly transferred to counter the INS mysore of india (also from Britain lol). The ship will essentially be a dido/ rahmat but missing a turret, in its place it will have better AA and most importantly, a radar. obviously being common wealth it also has crawling smoke.

Armaments**:**

4X2 133MM (DP).

3X2 40MM

8X1 40MM.

2X3 torpedo tubes.

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Tier VI pan European destroyer Georgi Dimitrov.

This destroyer was originally a soviet ognevoy class destroyer was transferred to the Bulgarian navy after WW2. much like other pan European DDs this ship has very fast and far reaching torpedoes with mediocre damage. This ship does have a smoke screen tho although her turning ability isn**’**t the best. With 4 130MM guns her DPM is pretty solid over all.

Armaments**:**

2X2 130MM

1X2 85MM (DP)

6X1 37MM

2X3 torpedo tubes.

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tier VI pan European destroyer regele Ferdinand.

This Romanian destroyer is quite unique. The hull was British, guns were Swedish, built in Italy, and later on she would receive german AA and sonar. she would essentially be a down-tiered split, with her having no smoke, pan European torpedoes but a german sonar. with solid DPM but pathetic AA.

Armaments**:**

5X1 120MM

2X2 37MM.

1X4 20MM

2X3 torpedo tubes.

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Tier V pan European destroyer Lima.

And now we get to Portugal. The douro class were group of Portuguese destroyers designed by the UK. These ships were very generic in their British like design. Following WW2 these ships did see a modernisation. She would essentially play like a generic pan European destroyer with no smoke, however one of her gimmicks is an unusual high torpedo damage alpha.

Armaments**:**

4X1 120MM

3X1 40MM

3X1 20MM

1X4 torpedo tubes.

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Tier VII commonwealth destroyer EI nasser.

This Egyptian destroyer is part of 3 skory class destroyer ls sold to egypt. She is essentially a commonwealth variant of the tier VII siliwangi we already have in game. This ship is obviously different in her having regular non-deep water torpedoes and crawling smoke. alongside a heavy torpedo armament and decent DPM.

Armaments**:**

2X2 130MM

1X2 85MM

7X2 37MM.

2X5 torpedo tubes.

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Now we get into the lower tier ships. These are mostly here for collection purposes rather than actual unique gameplay.

Tier III pan European destroyers lennuk.

This russian derzki class destroyer was handed over to Estonia in 1919. She served in the Estonian war of independence alongside other minor actions before being sold to peru in 1933 to get rid of the older ships and help in paying for two new submarines.

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Tier I pan European cruiser Artevelde

This Belgian escort ship was laid down before WW2 and was planned to be built with British dual purpose main guns before being captured and rebuilt by the Germans following the fall of Belgium during WW2. she served in Germany during the war before being transferred back to Belgium.

Armaments**:**

3X1 105MM (DP).

2X1 40MM

2X1 37MM

1X4 20MM

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Tier I pan European cruiser Niels Juel

A unique danish coastal defence ship that was more of a armoured cruiser thanks to her main armament. This ship served in the danish navy post WW1 and into WW2 where she was bombed and ground by german air attacks. the ship has very good protection but piss poor speed.

Armament**:**

10X1 150MM

2X1 40MM

10X1 20MM

2X1 torpedo tubes.

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Tier 2 pan European cruiser Väinämöinen.

A very infamous finnish coastal defence ship. Vainamoinen is very similar to in game mikasa but with less secondaries but much better AA. she served during the winter war and continuation war. after WW2 she was pressed into soviet service as vyborg before being scrapped in 1966.

Armament**:**

2X2 254MM

2X2 105MM

4X1 40MM.

8X1 20MM.

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Tier III german destroyer Karl marx.

Saving the most unique for last. This is an east german escort warship that belongs to the Riga class. The ship has 3 100MM guns and a triple torpedo tube set up. While this ship can only hit 28 knots, a 15% speed booster should help. Essentially this is lower tier version of the T-22.

Armaments**:**

3X1 100MM (DP).

2X2 37MM

2X2 25MM

1X3 torpedo tube.

and this list is done! If i missed any nation please tell me in the comments!

people are hyping themselves way to hard and creating head cannons for the tsaritsa will simply just disappoint themselves harder.

Anyways join the pierro agenda