Image 1 — Mandalorian and Grogu Domestic Box Office charts up to day 40 compared with other SW properties
Image 2 — Mandalorian and Grogu Domestic Box Office charts up to day 40 compared with other SW properties
Image 3 — Mandalorian and Grogu Domestic Box Office charts up to day 40 compared with other SW properties
Image 4 — Mandalorian and Grogu Domestic Box Office charts up to day 40 compared with other SW properties

Mandalorian and Grogu Domestic Box Office charts up to day 40 compared with other SW properties

On the Mandalorian and Grogu Domestic Box Office, you can see from the first chart that it continues to chart below Solo. I've focused in so you can see the recent deviations more clearly. It beat Solo's daily take only twice out of 40 days so far: - once on the 1st Saturday (May 26 v May 23) and the 5th Sunday (June 24 v June 21).

I have included a comparison just to Solo and Rogue One, as well as comparisons to the Sequel trilogy.

M&G is now in 1,250 and should drop several hundred theaters tomorrow, Friday July 3. It increasingly appears it will end just below $180m Domestic Box Office cumulative.

u/walberque_ — 4 days ago

Supergirl Domestic Box Office plotted against Superman, Fantastic 4, Thunderbolts*, and Capt. America BNW

I'm plotting the numbers for Supergirl against the past four recent comic book films and, of course, it's not looking good at all. You all know the deal with the opening (below Joker 2 and Morbius, ahead of Kraven, Madame Web and Blue Beetle), and we'll see the 2nd weekend hold soon.

u/walberque_ — 4 days ago

Joy Divison Covers Omnibus (only good ones)

  • Telekinesis - The Drawback
  • Loom - Warsaw
  • Moby - New Dawn Fades
  • Hot Chip - Transmission
  • LCD Soundsystem - No Love Lost
  • Pavement - Disorder (Live)
  • Tortoise - As You Said
  • Nine Inch Nails - Dead Souls
  • Starchildren (Smashing Pumpkins) - Isolation
  • Kendra Smith - Heart and Soul
  • Ravonettes - She's Lost Control
  • Technova - Atmosphere
  • Stanton Miranda - Love Will Tear Us Apart
  • Gazelle Twin - the Eternal
  • PINS - Dead Souls
  • Trent Renzor and Peter Murphy - Twenty-Four Hours (also Atmosphere, Warsaw)

I would include the Killers Shadowplay, but it's objectively bad. And anyone who tries to say "Nouvelle Vague" will find me in a balaclava crawling into your room at night to destroy your record collection.

  • Other Transmissions - Bob's Burgers, Low
  • Other LWUTA - Swans (Jarboe Version, Hard Drums Version), Susanna and the Magic Orchestra, Squarepusher, Kaycee (Gus Gus Remix), Paul Young, bis, Celeste, A1 People, Invisible Limits, Babybird, PJ Harvey and Tim Phillips
  • Other Dead Souls - Nine Inch Nails
  • Other Isolations - Dessau, Isolation Berlin, Babybird
  • Other Disorder - Mark Lanegan
  • Sampled: UNKLE
  • Almost Joy Division - Nightbus Mirrors, Talking Heads Overload, Grinning Plowmen Inquisition

We can cross into New Order/Joy Division territory with Ceremony covers:

  • Galaxie 500, Babybird, Chromatics, Active Child, Wussy, Day Wave, Radiohead (although this is one of their weaker covers)

And Bush's cover of In a Lonely Place

And, of course, Let's Dance to Joy Division by the Wombats

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u/walberque_ — 8 days ago

Two weeks in, how is the domestic box office of the Mandalorian and Grogu performing compared to other Star Wars films? Part 2: The Charts

Well, back to the domestic box office charts for the Mandalorian and Grogu...and, in a word, they're good. In two words, they're not good. In three words, it's a disaster.

You can stop here, but more words follow....

Fourteen days into the run of the Mandalorian and Grogue, I think we have enough data to sharpen our estimates of how the domestic box office will play out. I think (I'm pretty sure?) we can assess that M&G will be the lowest-performing Star Wars film, aside from the Clone Wars (2008) and I don't even know if the Ewok movies were shown in theaters, but let's leave all that aside.

  • Chart one demonstrates that M&G's domestic daily box office is tracking perfectly with Solo (actual), but far worse in terms of domestic box office adjusted for inflation.
  • Chart two shows you the cumulative domestic box office (actual and adjusted) against Solo (and Rogue One) to give you an idea of where this will land.
  • Chart three and four then compare it to the wider Star Wars cinematic experience from the Prequels until today.

If trends continue, M&G - just on domestic box office terms - is a catastrophic failure. I know THR tried to spin this - first that it was going to open a new cinematic universe, then that it was going to at least break even, and now that it doesn't matter because of other revenue streams (the last of which is not wrong) - but this result is bad.

I think the initial hope within Lucasfilm was that the shiny Boba Fett and Baby Yoda would have a four-quadrant appeal that could break through to a global audience. I remember the articles about how the future of the Mandosphere was reliant on the box office of this film around a year ago, but that kind of language was quickly and quietly shelved when the early numbers started rolling in.

The reputational damage is real: Disney demanded a huge share of premium screens, showings, and revenue for M&G's domestic box office receipts for the first two weeks - and if you own a premium chain or screen, how likely are you to listen to someone who, in the final analysis, brought in such paltry rewards?

In the meantime, the buzzy word-of-mouth success of Obsession and Backrooms has turned many heads back in old Hollywood in terms of how to make a massive profit from a non-IP property. It is such an interesting moment, particularly with the next big Marvels event incoming.

Personally, I hope that Star Wars: Starfighter does amazing numbers (and is, you know, actually a good film? Please?), but to those who have the memory of a goldfish: Ryan Gosling's track record at the box office is not unblemished. PHM was an amazing, legged-out masterclass, but he has bombed far too many times for SW:S to be a slam dunk.

Also, to those who will question why I'm writing this post today, know that I am a big fan of this franchise. I think it has been mismanaged and the dialogue around it has fallen into grifters on the right and shills on the left. I just want good content. Skeleton Crew was fun. Andor was astonishing. Obi-Wan was a mess. The BBF was poodoo, and Acolyte will eventually be remembered as the franchise's Zardoz. I hope for better days. So don't @ me bro.

u/walberque_ — 30 days ago

Two weeks in, how is the domestic box office of the Mandalorian and Grogu performing compared to other Star Wars films? Short answer: record-setting. Longer answer: setting the wrong records for a Star Wars... (Part I: Box Office #1, to be followed by Part 2: the charts)

The news gets worse for Disney Star Wars (but fantastic for Obsession and Backrooms, woof) regarding the Mandalorian and Grogu film:

The Mandalorian and Grogu topped the Domestic Box Office for the fewest number of consecutive days in Disney Star Wars history with 5 days at #1. The earliest analagous performance dates back to the Prequel Trilogy, where EP III held the #1 spot for only 9 consecutive days and 14 total days on top.

It is possible that M&G could rally, but we have 15 days of daily Domestic Box Office at this point, and each day has been below the adjusted and unadjusted numbers for Solo. At this point, I can say with a high degree of certainty that the Mandalorian and Grogu will underperform compared to Solo's unadjusted domestic and international numbers, making it the worst-performing Star Wars cinematic release in history (aside from the Clone Wars 2008, which is fair).

M&G is on course for a total domestic box office of between $185 and $200 million dollars. Even if the International Box Office overperforms expectations (say, $175m at the high end) for a best-case total cinematic take of $375m versus a budget of $375m ($144m after tax below-the-line California-only costs, throw another $31m in above the line and non-Cali costs, another $100m for marketing), we can conclude that it is highly unlikely that it will make anywhere near its box office.

As many others in this reddit have said, the box office for this movie matters less than the four other major benefits: 1) restoring the chatter about cinema-Star Wars in general and the Mandalorian in particular within the wider fandom, the merch sales, the theme park revenues, and the undenialble streaming dollars for the first three seasons of the Mandalorian show and eventual subscriptions, retention, and streaming numbers of the movie in a few weeks when it drops out of cinemas.

Anyway, back to the top ten discussion, to understand the depth of lack of interest by the general public in this film, let's take a look at the performance of previous Disney (Sequel and stand-alone) and Prequel Trilogy Star Wars films in their early days:

  • Solo, on its initial release, spent 14 consecutive and total days at #1 (it fell off number 1 to number 3 by Hereditary and Oceans 8 and did not return);
  • EP VII: 21 consecutive and 25 days total at #1 (it was pushed to number 2 on Day 22, but reclaimed top spot several more times in an epic back and forth with The Revenant);
  • EP VIII: 17 consecutive and total days at #1 (pushed off on Day 18 by Jumanji and did not return);
  • EP IX: 21 consecutive and total days at #1, (replaced on top on Day 22 by 1917 and Like a Boss and did not return);
  • Rogue One: 21 consecutive and 23 total days at #1 (pushed off on Day 22 by Hidden Figures before reclaiming the top spot for 2 more days.

And the Prequel Trilogy:

  • EP I: 23 consecutive and 32 total days on top (Austin Powers took over for 10 days before EP1 took 9 more days on top);
  • EP II: 15 consecutive and total days at #1 (dethroned by the Sum of All Fears never to return to the peak);
  • EP III: 9 consecutive and 14 total days on top (falling to 2 for a day due to The Longest Yard, retaking the top spot through Memorial Day, pushed out again by the Longest Yard and Madagascar).

And, of course, the caveats - I suppose there is an vanishingly small chance that M&G could still leg it out (Arrested Development voice-over: it did not leg it out).

Next, we will look at the charts...

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u/walberque_ — 30 days ago
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Mando and Groglette's Tuesday box office result may be a bad sign...

Tuesday official domestic box office numbers look bad for Disney's release strategy by making Mando and Grogu as a theatrical release. If the numbers don't pick up, it is on trend to finish below Solo's actuals, never mind the numbers adjusted for inflation. No update on international numbers. Still $63m.

While I get that Disney+, merchandising and theme parks will mitigate any losses by M&G, a catastrophic box office haul may damage Disney's ability to negotiate favorable terms for Starfighter's release (opening box office share) and access to premium tickets (e.g., IMAX screens).

Maybe it will all turn around and the film will leg out to Project Hail Mary-type numbers, but if not, then this release strategy will be seen in retrospect as a big mistake.

Next update will be after next weekend's numbers are verified.

u/walberque_ — 1 month ago

Star Wars: Mandalorian and Groglette actuals: 3-day, 4-day, and comparisons across the Disney era

So, the official numbers for the Mandalorian and Groglette domestic box office performance are in, and they are the lowest of the Disney era to date.

  • M&G 3-Day: $81,670,433
  • M&G 4-Day: $98,091.641

Comaprison with Solo: A Star Wars Story:

  • Solo 3-Day: $84,420,489 (unadjusted), $108,345,256 (adjusted)
  • Solo 4-Day: $103,016,812 (unadjusted), $130,461,863 (adjusted)

It is possible that this will leg out like PHM or Episode VII, but if it drops like the other Disney-era Star Wars, then $400m may be a bridge too far.

I'll be curious to see the Tuesday take: the Solo number-to-beat is $7,295,767 ($9,363,387 adjusted). Then we'll see about the second weekend drop.

For comparison, Solo had a second weekend dropoff of 65.18% and PHM had a 32.85% drop.

International, it took an estimated $63 million.

u/walberque_ — 1 month ago

Quick question for the Mando-experts - the relationship between Din Djarin and Zeb Orrelios?

Hey! I need some help from the Mandalorian experts here. I saw M&G in the theaters (twice), and was confused about the relationship between Din and Zeb. Are they friends? Prior to this movie, do they have a relationship? Have they worked together before?

>!It appears that at the very least, Zeb is unfamiliar with Grogu (e.g., he says, "I like this kid" or something like that, implying that he is unfamiliar with Grogu's skills). !<But is he tight with Mando?

I recall that Zeb has appeared in live action a couple of times - I want to say in Ashoka S01? - but I simply cannot remember whether he shows up in Mando Season 3, and more specifically, whether or not he and Din had a personal relationship on screen (or, at least, heavily implied).

Anyone recall offhand? Thanks in advance.

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u/walberque_ — 1 month ago

Solo v the Mango &amp; Groglette actual and adjusted dom box office

It will be interested to see the final numbers (the M&G numbers are the estimates as of Monday morning), but even if they're revised upwards a bit, the film's still going to require quite the legs to reach the breakeven of ~$600m.

While Disney insiders were saying that Mando's future depended on the film's recepetion a few months ago, I suspect that sentiment was over-interpreted by outsiders. While a Madame Web-level tanking might have fatally damaged the Mando brand, something more than that will ensure Mando's contuation, as all costs are more than covered by merch, theme park, and streaming revenues that will continue ad infitum.

Still, there is some reputational risk of releasing a film that makes less than Solo in both actual and adjusted numbers. If the per-screen returns drop precipitously in the second week, theater operators will be far less likely to give the next film as much access.

I'll be interested to watch this story develop...

u/walberque_ — 1 month ago