Dumb choice, take a little 7oh while on the monthly shot, the 7oh turned into a full blown relapse, anyone else experienced quitting the 7 while on the shot?
i first took 7-OH about 10 months ago. i’ve always liked pain pills so when i heard about 7oh, i was immediately interested. like no way i can just get this stuff over the counter. i started out on 10mg and then eventually 400mg a day for 8 months. my tolerance grew so fast and pseudoindoxyl sped it up even more. it started to get to the point where i was just taking it to feel normal and not even get a high. the withdrawals were horrible, i don’t wish that on anyone. couldn’t sleep because of restless leg, chills, and whole body aches. i thought i could taper off and quit cold turkey but i was so wrong. i couldn’t do it on my own. i felt like i was going insane and i wanted to die . i eventually went broke because it is so expensive. donating plasma, pawning everything, and asking family for money. i was so hopeless and miserable. i kept it a secret for awhile until i couldn’t take it anymore. eventually my mom talked me into going to rehab and here i am 74 days sober. i’m honestly glad i went through that horrible experience. now i understand addiction and what it can do to someone. i feel great now, i dont have to go to sleep worrying about how im going to get my next fix. i’m in control now. i used to think i had no future and i hated every day of my life. now i’m so grateful for everything and i love life again. if you think you’re different or unique and can handle 7oh, you’re going to end up exactly where i was. i thought the same way, “im in control, it’s not possible for me to be addicted to anything” or “i can stop whenever i want”. boy was i wrong. just stay away from it, it’s not worth it. always remember you’re never alone! help is always there, you just got to want it. don’t suffer in silence.
This is my second post. If you’ve been following along — thank you. I didn’t post about day 6 yet and I’m not going to yet because I want to research things a little more talk to some people to see if could go through it better.
If this is your first time here, I’m a dad in my 40s from Pittsburgh who was taking 200-400mg of 7-OH daily for about two years. I went cold turkey on May 10th. I’ve been documenting every hour of this withdrawal publicly because I wish someone had done it for me.
Today I want to talk about the day nobody warns you about. Not the physical peak. Not the vomiting. Not the restless legs. The day I almost convinced myself that quitting wasn’t working.
This post is really about day 5 and why it was what ALMOST broke me. Then I realized so many of you DO break on this day….. so I got some info.
But first — let me tell you about this morning.
Sleep broke last night around 2 AM. After nearly a week of almost zero sleep, my body finally let go. I woke up around 5 to our rooster — and for the first time since we got that bird, I didn’t want to kill him. I smiled.
I woke up my wife. Not because I needed help. Not because I was in withdrawal. Because the sunrise was coming and I wanted her to see it with me.
We walked our property in the early morning light. Fog in the valley. Sun cutting through the grass. We just talked. No agenda. No crisis. Just two people walking together on a Saturday morning.
The relapse statistics are staggering. One study found that 91% of people in opioid recovery experience relapse. Of those, 59% relapse within the first week. 80% relapse within the first month. The first week — days 1 through 7 — is where the majority of recoveries die.
But here’s what the data doesn’t tell you: it’s not Day 1 or Day 2 that gets most people. Those days are so physically brutal that you can barely get to the car, let alone drive to the store. It’s Day 5. And here’s the clinical reason why.
Phase 1 (Hours 0-72): Autonomic storm. When you stop taking 7-OH, your locus coeruleus — the brain’s norepinephrine command center — goes into overdrive. For weeks or months, the opioid suppressed it. Now the dam breaks. That’s the sweating, chills, racing heart, restless legs, diarrhea, vomiting. It’s your autonomic nervous system firing at maximum because nothing is holding it back anymore. This is horrible, but it’s the phase everyone expects. You white-knuckle through it because there’s no alternative.
Phase 2 (Days 4-7): Dopamine desert. This is the phase nobody talks about. While the autonomic storm is fading, something else is happening underneath — your dopamine system is running on empty. During active 7-OH use, the drug was flooding your mu-opioid receptors, which triggered massive dopamine release in the nucleus accumbens (your brain’s reward center). Your brain responded by downregulating dopamine production and receptor sensitivity. It stopped making its own because the drug was doing it.
When the drug leaves, the dopamine doesn’t come back immediately. Receptor upregulation takes weeks to months. So you’re left in a dopamine deficit — a neurochemical desert where nothing feels rewarding, nothing feels pleasurable, nothing feels worth doing. The clinical term is anhedonia. The human term is “everything is gray and I don’t see the point.”
This is why Day 5 is dangerous. On Day 2, you can’t relapse because your body won’t let you off the bathroom floor. On Day 5, the physical symptoms are 70-80% resolved. You can drive. You can function. You can walk into a gas station. And your brain — starved of dopamine, desperate for relief — whispers: “One dose. Just to feel normal. Then you’ll quit again tomorrow.” DONT GIVE IN!
That whisper at Day 5 is not weakness. It is neurochemistry.
Your brain is doing exactly what a dopamine-depleted brain is supposed to do — seek the fastest path back to reward. The problem is that the fastest path leads right back to the gas station.
And 7-OH makes this worse than traditional opioids.
7-OH binds mu-opioid receptors with 13-33x the affinity of morphine.
Let me run that back again….
That means the receptor downregulation is more severe, the dopamine deficit is deeper, and the anhedonia hits harder and lasts longer. Published clinical sources note that 7-OH withdrawal can produce prolonged PAWS symptoms lasting weeks to months — longer than traditional kratom leaf and comparable to prescription opioid withdrawal — precisely because the concentrated product creates such extreme receptor adaptation.
90% of people who go through opioid detox experience PAWS. And PAWS starts right around Day 5.
I expected to feel better.
I was 114 hours clean.
The restless legs had faded.
The sweating stopped.
I could eat.
On paper, I was recovering.
Instead I felt nothing.
Flat. Heavy. Like someone had drained all the color out of the world and replaced it with gray static.
And then around noon the dam broke.
Two years of suppressed emotions hit me in a single afternoon. My wife tells me stories about our kids and I don’t remember being there. I was physically present but 7-OH took the rest. Birthdays I can’t recall. Money that should have gone to my family. Relationships damaged beyond repair. All of it — every unfelt feeling from two years of medicated numbness — came flooding in at once.
I sat in my house and cried. Not the desperate tears of Hour 22 when my body was failing. The tears of a man waking up from a two-year sleep and realizing what he slept through.
This is not a setback. It’s your brain coming back online. The opioid system literally blunts emotional processing — that’s pharmacologically documented. When the drug clears, the emotional circuits reactivate and everything you suppressed comes out. It feels like you’re getting worse. You’re getting better. Your brain just doesn’t know how to tell you that yet because the feel-good chemicals aren’t back online.
Music. I put on Stephen Wilson Jr. (a bunch of other artists too - anything to FEEL anything. and something cracked open inside me. Music activates dopamine release in the nucleus accumbens — the same reward center that’s been starved since you stopped using. It’s one of the only things that can produce natural dopamine hits during the deficit period. If you’re on Day 5 and everything is gray — put on music that used to move you. Turn it up. This is not a suggestion. This is neurochemistry. It works.
Faith. I’m a Christian. I leaned on that harder on Day 5 than any day of my life. I’m not here to preach at anyone. But I’ll tell you this — at Hour 22 when the hopelessness was telling me “you can’t survive this,” faith was the floor I couldn’t fall through. Research shows prayer and spiritual practice activate the ventromedial prefrontal cortex, which directly inhibits craving circuits. Whatever you believe in — God, your kids, your future self — hold onto it with both hands on Day 5.
Community. I posted my story on Reddit on Day 5. Within hours the support changed something in me. For the first time in longer than I can remember, people were reaching out to ME. Not the other way around. That human connection — people who understood what I was going through — produced something no pill ever could.
Anger. I spent Day 4 at 3 AM researching who profits from this drug. The manufacturer who got $1.4 million in forgiven PPP loans. The industry lobby run by the same people whose products the FDA seized. The three bills sitting in the PA legislature that haven’t passed. I wrote letters to my District Attorney and my state representative at 4 AM on Day 4 of withdrawal. Anger is energy. Aim it at the right target and it becomes fuel.
But after this day (and I’m sure everyone is going to different with this… I felt like a part of me finally died.
I can’t stress this enough ONCE THIS HAPPENED - you’re going to get your first wave of real, non-synthetic happiness.
I want to add some notes about day 6 - as well because I couldn’t tell you when or how, but a moment hit me… and it can’t be overstated how powerful it is. That happiness can’t be expressed in words.
By Friday I was starting to feel like a human being again. Low energy. No motivation. But something different underneath — a warmth. Again, you STILL are in WD. You are not 100%… but you are 60-70% the person you’re about to become.
That afternoon I put on sweatpants and a jacket and walked outside to meet my wife in our garden. She was planting. The sun was shining. I hadn’t done anything like that willingly in longer than I can remember.
She looked up and saw me standing there and that was enough. No celebration. No speeches. Just her husband, present, choosing to be outside on a Friday afternoon instead of medicated on the couch.
My sons got ready for bed that night and I was there for it. Really there. That’s all I wanted and it was everything.
I’ll keep ya’ll posted - but the way this has been. I’m keeping my expectations tempered though - again, that Day 5 PAWS is a crushing blow that nobody warns you about.
Hey guys, I was wondering if anybody could give me some information or some websites I typically buy my 7 oh tablets at a smoke shop, but they are so expensive and I was looking online and online the tablets were like more than half price. But I am nervous about buying 7 o online and being scammed or something bad in the tablets or I don’t know just anything so I’m looking for some recommendations on where to purchase these. My favorite kind that I’m looking to buy online are the limitless ones and the opia THANK YOU SM
Before I get into this - I want to say that I’m in PA and I’m researching the hell out of the criminal empire built around this drug… okay here goes…
I don’t really know how to start this. I’m a dad, A husband, business owner. 24 months ago all of those were just “stats” - today, at day 5. They are all I need.
I’m sitting here right now at hour 117 with Stephen Wilson Jr. playing in my headphones and tears running down my face and I don’t even fully know why. It’s not sadness exactly. It’s everything. Two years of feelings I never felt because this drug wouldn’t let me feel them. My wife tells me stories about our kids and I don’t remember being there. I was there. But I wasn’t there. You know what I mean.
The money I spent. The relationships I damaged. The version of myself my kids got instead of the real one. It’s all hitting me at once this afternoon and it’s overwhelming but also… hopeful? I don’t know how to explain it. Like drowning and breathing at the same time.
I want to tell you what the last 5 days looked like because I wish someone had told me. Hour by hour. No sugarcoating.
I was taking 200-400mg of 7-OH per day. Tablets from a smoke shop. Started casually. Within weeks I was dependent. I tried to taper — cut down to 6-7mg every 5 hours for 3 days. But at that dose it wasn’t helping anymore. It just kept the wound open. I was in withdrawal between every dose and the dose itself barely took the edge off enough to fall back asleep.
So I made a decision. I took my last 20mg as a front-loaded dose at 4:30 PM on Saturday May 10th. Used that 4-5 hour window to eat a real meal, hydrate, take all my supplements, and tell my wife: “This is it. Don’t let me go get more no matter what I say.”
Hours 0-12 (Saturday night). My phone died and I didn’t have the energy to charge it. I just laid there. Nobody was calling anyway. That’s what this drug does to your life — it shrinks your world until it’s just you and the next dose. The withdrawal crept in around hour 5-6. By hour 10 I was in it.
Hour 22 (Sunday afternoon). This was the worst moment of my life. Restless legs so bad I couldn’t lie still for 30 seconds. Sweating through my sheets then shaking with chills 5 minutes later. Nauseous. Headache. Couldn’t breathe right — shallow, panicked breathing. And a hopelessness that I can’t describe. Not “I’m sad” hopelessness. More like “this will never end and I can’t survive another hour of this” hopelessness.
I got in a hot bath. As hot as I could stand. Epsom salt. Stayed in for 30 minutes. It helped. Then I got out and the chills hit so hard I was shaking under three blankets.
Ibuprofen and Tylenol together. Buspirone (I have a prescription). Electrolytes. Heating pad on my calves. That’s how I survived hour 22.
Hour 24 (Sunday 4:30 PM). One full day. I told my wife. She cried. I didn’t feel like celebrating. I felt like I was barely hanging on. But I made it.
Hour 26. Hungry for the first time — that felt like a sign. But everything I ate went straight through me. My body was in overdrive. I tried to sleep. Couldn’t.
Hour 45 (Monday afternoon). Something shifted. I was still throwing up, still couldn’t sleep, but the grip was loosening. I could feel it. The waves of withdrawal were still coming but they were shorter. I started to feel angry instead of hopeless. Angry at the gas station that sold this to me. Angry at the company that made it. Angry that this drug is legal and sitting next to energy drinks where teenagers can see it.
That anger saved me. If you’re reading this and you’re in the hopeless phase — hold on. The anger comes after. And the anger is fuel.
I did not sleep for over four days. I want to say that clearly because no one told me and I thought something was wrong with me. It’s normal. It’s the most common lingering symptom. Your brain literally cannot shut down because the system that regulates sleep was hijacked by the drug and it’s rebuilding. It comes back. It’s coming back for me now. Last night I got a few hours.
Hour 106 (Thursday 3 AM). Wide awake again but different this time. High spirits. Clear head. Inspired. I spent the early morning hours researching how to get 7-OH banned in Pennsylvania. Turns out there are three bills pending and none have passed. Turns out the industry lobby (HART) is run by the same people whose products the FDA seized. Turns out the manufacturer got $1.4 million in forgiven PPP loans from our tax dollars and is now producing what the FDA calls an illegal opioid.
I wrote letters to my county DA and my state rep. At 4 AM. On day 4 of withdrawal. Because that anger needed somewhere to go.
Hour 117 (THURSDAY 2 PM). Right now. I’m sitting here crying. But they’re different tears than hour 22. These are the tears of a man who is waking up. Two years of suppressed emotion pouring out in an afternoon. My wife shared a memory of our kids from last summer and I have no recollection of it. I was there physically. The drug took the rest.
I am a strong Christian and I place my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ to carry me through this. That is not a platitude. At hour 22 when I had nothing left, faith was the floor I couldn’t fall through.
What I want you to know if you’re at hour 12 right now:
You are in the worst of it. It does not get worse than where you are. It peaks at hour 24-36 and it starts to break. I know it feels permanent. It is not.
The hopelessness at hour 22 and the hope at hour 117 are only 95 hours apart. That’s less than 4 days. You can survive 4 days. You already survived whatever brought you to this point.
If you’re a person of faith — lean into it now. Not later. Now. It works. Not as magic. As a foundation that holds when everything else shakes.
Music. I can’t explain it but music is pulling me through the emotional phase in a way nothing else is. Stephen Wilson Jr. Find what moves you and put it on repeat.
As for what day six holds, I can only read ahead from all of your experiences.
Thanks for reading - thanks for any support or advice - and God bless anyone that wants to help eradicate this country of this demonic product. HMU 👊
I got really deep into kratom and 7OH. What started as me just trying to feel okay turned into something I needed just to get through the day. At some point it stopped being about feeling good and became about not feeling awful. Every morning was the same… wake up, think about it, make sure I had enough, promise myself I’d quit soon, then repeat.
It’s crazy how isolating addiction gets. I pulled away from people without even realizing it. I got so used to pretending I was fine that I didn’t even know how to be real anymore. I was lonely back then too, but it was a different kind… like being completely disconnected from yourself.
Getting off was brutal. I’m not gonna sugarcoat it. There were days I felt physically horrible, mentally drained, and emotionally just empty. I cried a lot. I doubted myself constantly. There were so many times I thought, “Maybe this is just who I am.”
But I kept going.
I’m 2 years sober now, which still feels weird to say sometimes.
I have my own apartment. I actually pay my bills. I have little routines now that used to feel impossible. Coffee in the morning, keeping my place clean, coming home to peace. My life probably sounds boring to some people, but to me? It’s everything.
The hard part is… sometimes it still gets lonely.
I think when you spend so much time numbing yourself, you eventually have to learn how to actually live again. And that part can feel uncomfortable. There are nights I wish I had more people around, or mornings where my brain still wants an escape. Recovery didn’t magically fix every part of me.
But even on my loneliest day, I would choose this life over who I was back then.
Because I’m free now. I’m present. I’m actually building something.
If you’re reading this in withdrawals, or terrified to quit, or convinced you’ve ruined your life… you haven’t. Seriously. I know how hopeless it feels because I was there.
Start messy. Start scared. Start however you need to.
Just start.
It really can get better. I’m living proof.
Hey fellow people. You guys are the only ones who understand. I have had so much anxiety about my appointment to get on Suboxone. Well I finally just had it. Unfortunately, my doctor just isn't understanding the extent of how strong this is. I had to Google it and show him but he just hasn't stuck in his head that I'm talking about kratom. I tried to show him how it's like 50 times stronger. Anyways, everything I've seen shows that most people had the best luck with 24 mg of the subs.
I thought I was supposed to wait until I was in withdrawals before taking them. He wants me to start taking less of the seven and start taking little pieces of the subs. Like 0.25 mg. Which I'm pretty sure is not going to do crap. But I can only try so much before he wouldn't listen to me. But maybe he's right?
Am I really supposed to keep taking 7 while I'm on the strips? I'm terrified of going into precipitated withdrawals. Also, how am I even supposed to do that? Do I wake up in the morning and take my seven? Then I don't know. I'm just so confused. This is what he prescribed to me. Please remember that this is all new to me, I've never been addicted to anything else. I've never had Suboxone. So treat me like I am in kindergarten 🤣
He gave me 20 2mg strips And the directions say to dissolve one to four films under the tongue twice daily.
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\##This is a post from a user in this subreddit. I feel it needs a repost.
From another post I made which pertains here as well:
It makes me so mad when people in power spread so much misinformation. The FDA Commissioner is saying "7oh is 13x more potent than morph!ne". Total misinformation..it is 13x stronger at BINDING TO THE RECEPTOR!!!!
13x stronger at binding to the receptor only raises questions about duration of action, spacing of doses, how long side effects linger, and also about how these agents interact with your receptors can affect other processes.
This is from user [u/glowant22](u/glowant22).
Here is a government clinical study showing that they can not find a lethal dose of 7oh
From the trial:
"Lethality.
We wanted to compare IV to oral lethality for the two alkaloids of Kratom, so we also determined an approximate oral LD50 value for mitragynine using the following doses: 500, 250, 125, and 62.5 mg/kg .
We attempted to determine an oral LD50 value for 7-hydroxymitragynine; however, none of the mice expired at any of the doses (50, 25, 12.5, and 6.25 mg/kg;)."
Then he has the audacity to say it causes "FATAL RESPIRATORY DEPRESSION"! THIS MAKES ME SO MAD! IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CAUSE FATAL RESPIRATORY DEPRESSION! It is just a partial opioid agonist, that has a ceiling effect!
Yes! 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-OH) is a potent partial agonist at the mu-opioid receptor.
CEILING EFFECT OF 7OH------
7-Hydroxymitragynine (7-OH), a potent active metabolite of mitragynine found in kratom, functions as a partial agonist at the -opioid receptor (MOR). This partial agonism creates a "ceiling effect," a pharmacological phenomenon where, beyond a certain dosage, increases in dose do not produce a corresponding increase in effect, specifically regarding respiratory depression.
Key Aspects of the 7-OH Ceiling Effect:
Respiratory Safety Cap:
Because 7-OH is a partial agonist, it triggers significant pain relief but typically does not drive maximum -opioid receptor activation, which caps its respiratory depression potential compared to full agonists like M0RPH1N3.
Biased Agonism:
7-OH preferentially activates G-protein signaling while weakly triggering the -arrestin-2 pathway. The -arrestin-2 pathway is strongly linked to classic opioid side effects, including respiratory depression, constipation, and tolerance.
Distinction from Mitragynine:
While the parent compound (mitragynine) has a pronounced, built-in ceiling effect due to its slow metabolic conversion to 7-OH (metabolic saturation), 7-OH itself can exhibit a more linear dose-dependent effect, particularly at very high doses, according to some studies.
Similarity to Buprenorphine:
Similar to the opioid addiction treatment buprenorphine, 7-OH's ceiling effect contributes to a potentially safer profile than traditional full-agonist opioids
Another article had the audacity to put this nonsense out there.
"Serious health outcomes linked to kratom have also surged. Hospitalizations involving only kratom rose more than 1,150% over the decade, climbing from 43 cases in 2015 to 538 in 2025.
When kratom was combined with other substances, such as illicitdrugs or antidepressants, hospitalizations increased nearly 1,300%, from 40 to 549.
During the study period, 233 deaths were associated with kratom use. Of those, 184 involved multiple substances."
So out of the millions of people who use Kratom, around 500 have been hospitalized when combined with other substances.....(not much considering 1 person dies from alcohol related causes every 39 minutes)... And out of the 233 deaths, 184 involved multiple substances....not much in the grand scheme of things...
LETS TALK ABOUT HOSPITALIZATIONS AND DEATHS FROM AlC0H0L(ETOH), WHICH IS LEGAL and found on every corner.. CUT IT OUT WITH THE SENSATIONALIZED NONSENSE.
ETOH-related deaths in the US remain high, with over 140,000 Americans dying annually from AlC0H0L(ETOH)related causes, averaging nearly 390 per day.
Although fatalities fell from a 2021 peak of 54,258, 2024 data shows deaths remained 50% higher than a decade ago. ETOH-related hospitalizations have stabilized, but those with primary complications (e.g., liver disease) increased through 2022.
Key 2025/2026 AlC0H0L(ETOH)-Related Data Points Death Rates:
ETOH-related deaths dropped in 2023 and 2024 compared to the 2021 peak, yet remained roughly 20% higher than pre-pandemic levels (2019).
Cancer Deaths:
ETOH contributes to approximately 20,000 cancer deaths in the US annually.
Hospitalization Trends:
While overall ETOH-related hospitalizations stabilized, cases with a primary diagnosis of ETOH-related medical complications increased from 70 to 83 per 100,000 between 2016 and 2022.
People need to fight this misinformation with true information. So these lobbyists are literally going to kill people, sending them back to fen7yn4l and h3r01n. The blood will be on their hands. Not only do they produce the drugs that kill people, they want people on them even more because 7oh has saved too many people.
Recent studies by HART have shown ZERO DEATHS can be blamed on 7oh alone -by itself with no other substances involved.
Based on recent reports, the claim that no deaths can be attributed to 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-OH) alone is a point of intense debate, with some health organizations reporting fatal cases while advocates argue it is not the sole cause.
Key Findings on 7-OH Safety and Fatalities:
Reported Deaths:
As of late 2025, the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health linked six fatal overdoses to the synthetic kratom compound 7-OH, noting that victims were otherwise healthy.
“CONTRADICTORY CLAIMS\*\*
Some, such as the Holistic Alternative Recovery Trust (HART), claim there are "zero deaths linked exclusively to 7-OH" in their data, contrasting it with raw kratom leaf.
LINK TO HART STUDY
HART WEBSITE
WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Holistic Alternative Recovery Trust (HART) today released the following statement in response to misleading and incomplete media reports surrounding a 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-OH):
“The misinformation circulating about 7-OH misrepresents both the science and the safety record of this compound,” Jeff Smith, PhD, National Policy Director for HART. “The only clinical study cited by the FDA comes from a researcher funded by the Global Kratom Coalition, a group actively fighting 7-OH products that have cut into their market share.
That unreviewed, unpublished study sought to demonstrate harm by injecting 7-OH directly into mice’s bloodstream, even though humans consume it orally. Anything can be harmful if injected, eat a chocolate bar and you’re fine; inject it and you’ll die.\*\*
The study was biased and misleading.”
MYTH: 7-OH, not Kratom, is the problem.
FACT:
According to the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) own Adverse Event Reporting System (FAERS), there have been under 40 adverse events, and ZERO deaths linked exclusively to 7-OH, despite well over a billion doses consumed nationwide.
Contrast that with raw kratom leaf, which the FDA itself has associated with nearly 200 confirmed deaths
Polysubstance Misconception: While many cases involved mixtures (particularly with ETOH), health officials \\\*STILL emphasize that 7-OH, acting as a potent opioid, can independently cause fatal respiratory depression. WRONG
And, another thing I want to throw in there. Read "How to Lie with Statistics by Darrell Huff”
And I will leave you with this-
We should BAN HARD AlC0H0L. It is many times more potent than beer, and taking shots of it increases your intoxication 10x faster than a beer, and raises your tolerance. 2 SHOTS AND YOU ARE OVER THE LEGAL LIMIT AND CAN CAUSE A CRASH.
Ban hard AlC0H0L and keep beer legal! 2 shots and you are at risk of a DUI killing others. Same with 2 beers (although it's harder to drink 2 beers than 2 shots..) Restaurants don't care if they serve you more than 2 drinks, they encourage it since they make more money. They don't care if you're driving home. They send people home over the legal limit every day.
AlC0H0L and b33r both kill hundreds of thousands of Americans every year and that's not count the children and families killed in car crashes. I read a story almost every day about intoxicated drivers killing kids and families.
1 ALC0H0L related drunk driving death every 39 minutes.
FROM THE CDC
In 2022, 13,524 people died in the US in crashes involving alcohol-impaired drivers, averaging 1 death every 39 minutes. These preventable incidents account for roughly 32% of all traffic-related deaths, highlighting a severe, ongoing public safety crisis.
I’ve worked as a paramedic for over 10 years and not once did I have a call for kratom or 7oh. Thousands of calls for AlC0H0L, F3N7YN4l, H3R01N etc. So much trauma, so much pain, so much loss, carnage, blood, dead families and kids from intoxicated drivers. So much tragedy.
Just wanted to add some clarification. 7oh actually doesn’t even bind more than morphine does. It actually binds far less. Here's a post explaining that with a link to the reference of the study in the comments:
https://www.reddit.com/r/7\\\_HOPE\\\_Alliance/s/5O5hQ2994k
Thank you for your time.
Kills your sex drive/testosterone levels completely? At least thats the FX its had on me..... Curious to hear your opinions/experiences....
Also, for the 1000mg+ a day users, are you experiencing what I am and basically only feeling a light high at first use in the morning then chasing the dragon all day afterward? I now stay up late and wake up at 2-4am usually in a pool of sweat and am basically going into WDs while I sleep. I gotta get off this shit. Ive tried tapering, which usually leads me to increasing my doses in the end to stop the light emotional WDs and irritability. I took this as a way to not relapse on booze/weed because Im in a fucked up legal situation and have to piss in a cup for a rehab program. Thank god this doesnt show up because honestly without it, I wouldnt be able to abstain from getting stoned/drunk.....resulting in prison time. What a double-edged fucked up mess man.....
Hello , I’m currently going through a rough time with this Kratom 7oh stuff , I’ve never done hard stuff before in my life, I first started taking the feel free drinks not thinking much about it then I learned about 7oh yesterday I tried to stop taking it after 3months of taking this thing and it was the worst thing I’ve ever experienced in my life never have I over experienced withdrawal symptoms and I just don’t know what to do and how to get off this thing my anxiety is trough the roof I’ve heard that (SR-17018) is good substance to help getting of 7oh can anyone who’s been through this please help me ? Im currently taking about 100Mg of 7oh a day what’s the proper dose and how can I get off this demon pill without getting family involved I’m 24 father of 2 and the main provider of my home and I will like to get trough this without getting family involved.
This will be a bit of a ramble, so bare with me. This is my first time reaching out to the public about this, it's gotten so bad. Helps me feel better talking about it. So I've had a long history with opiates. Since 2012 to be exact. I have 15 years of restaurant/cooking experience. So naturally drugs and other toxic vices were flowing like a river.. everywhere. Got introduced to norco 10's, got instantly hooked. Then the somas appeared, so that poly drug combo was my regular. Then Roxy 30 blues, and then rare IR Opana 10's before they vanished.
I was in deep. Opiates were my heaven that were also my hell. Then I discovered kratom once the connects moved on, 10 years ago. Legal opiate-like high?? Hell yeah!
So began a long term relationship... Fast forward to 2024, went to rehab for poly drug use of muscle relaxer/tapentadol combo tabs, benzos, lyrica, modafinil, and massive doses of kratom. Went to sober living afterwards and eventually caved in after relapsing on Feel Free shots and MIT45(SP?) shots. My first introduction to kratom extracts. Big mistake. Got booted out because they have mitragynine dip stick tests.. Stayed clean for a short time finding a new place, then I found 7OH.. Crud, crud, crud...
I screwed myself, digging myself deeper and deeper into a hole. Been taking it for almost a year. 150mg for a long time, but with stress at work the tolerance skyrocketed. Last few months it's been at 400-600mg daily. Distancing myself from friends, life has just been trying to maintain normalcy at the expense of my mental and physical health, worst of all financially. Literally chained with iron with this addiction and I'm absolutely fed up with it because I want a happy life. Thanks to Reddit I discovered the Bernese method. Because I'm a cook that works 5am-1pm.. picking up the slack because of lazy coworkers.. very physical work, lifting 50 pound boxes and prepping in a 34 degree cooler, then dealing with the heat of cooking, constantly on my feet, going back in forth between cold and hot...interesting with people all day in a "drug free" work place. I can't cold turkey with a tolerance that high because I can't afford to call in because I get PWD badly..thankfully I have a surplus of Suboxone 8mg because I stopped taking it to go back to the 7OH. So over the next several days I'm gonna start it, won't be perfect because I have the tabs not the strips, but I'm tired of living this hell and I want all of y'all to conquer this addiction as well. It's ruining my life. For those of you interested I will keep you guys updated.
Taking my first 2mg dose tonight, then 2mg in the morning and another in the evening while working down my 7OH doses and increase my sub dose them taper as fast as I can off that. Thanks for hearing me out, it feels good to finally lift this weight. I pray to God it all works out.