r/7ohquittingprotocols

If you’ve been on this r/ over the last week or two you’ve probably read my story. 2 year addiction 800mg today, up to 1000 at times. I was taking this much just to starve off any feeling of withdrawal, not even getting high in the second year. I quit cold turkey 13 days ago. No taper whatsoever, no Suboxone or other medical help. Just basic vitamins.

What would I do differently if I had to do it again? Absolutely nothing. Going CT and forcing myself get through those first 72 hours with zero relief was a fantastic decision. I needed to prove some shit to myself and did I ever.

Getting ready to enter my second week, well into PAWS I know that this too is just another bump in the road. I won’t relapse because I proved to myself that my mind is more powerful than this drug even when my body was begging for just a little 7 to take the pain away. Not giving in then has made me feel like I can conquer anything now.

If cold turkey is an option for you and you can afford to take the days off work, this is what I will recommend to everyone. Prove to yourself that you can do it. When it’s at its worst, remember who you’re doing it for. I know for most of us it’s our family’s, but even if it’s just for yourself. Just take it one hour, one day at a time. Much love.

I stopped 7OH in June, taking 5-600mg/day. I used SR to taper off. I put my experience into a guide. It includes: introduction to SR, supplements to take, example taper guide & the schedule I used.

Monster SR (the vendor I used) just restocked their inventory. Promo code: GET10 will give you 10% off your order.

SR Taper Guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTGsyDRip-sN_eqM_5wAoAeJ7VqpPq_lesGPUXkEJKk1xhLH5WMxjsmVUfTJmfxNzKHKhrlBoAEvBRh/pub

I hope this helps someone out there 🙂

You'd think I would know this by now by all of the posts I've read and research I've done but I can't seem to get a solid answer about taking helper meds (Mag, vit-c, buspirone, wellbutrin, gaba) and subz. Has anybody taken these or some mixture of these with the subz? I have 60. Of course, I'm dreading the WD's coming off of 700mg of 7-OH/pseudo and with all that I have, I'm trying to find the right "recipe" to help.. I also have adhd and take 60mg of aderall/day but I don't abuse them. The buspirone and wellbutrin, I've been on for anxiety and depression for a while now and I know these will help with PAWS. Should I take any of the helpers along with subz or take subz alone along with my ads, wellbutrin and buspiron? Sorry for the ramble but wanted to explain my personal situation.. Thanks for any advice!

I was on and off 7oh for a few years .at one point I was in the thousands Mg wise. The Wds were pure hell and I ended up going to a rehab. I swore them off never to take them again. I was on Subs and wanted to start a taper on those and get off them so I decided to try this new stuff in store “Cats claw” I read about it and it said it wasn’t addictive-BS this stuff is worse than 7oh and has more in it than just cats claw. When I try and go off of it the wds are worse than 7oh and I been through those Wds a few times around the block. If you haven’t tried my advice DON’T!!! Now I am stuck on another gas station favorite

Has anyone here taken a tablet called BLEND , comes in an orange bottle says it is cats claw . It get me high but no where close to 7oh feeling . I want to stop but I am scared of withdrawals

I was taking 1000 mg a day and stocked up on sr17018 and powder 7oh. It definitely brought my tolerance down but I've been doing both for over 2weeks now and like an idiot, instead of coming off of this stuff, I was taking 1-3 scoops and got my usage up to 2000mg! My has and is also a big part of my downfall bc I don't think he cares about quitting. He goes out and buys tabs to add to the plan I've tried to implement.

Well, all I know is my sr17018 is starring to get low and I afraid that we're not gonna have enough to both taper off of this crap! I do have multiple bottles of buprenorphine and klonopin to help. I've read somewhere that buprenorphine also helps get off of this. But I do know I took a buprenorphine months ago with 7oh and it put me into paws. I take buprenorphine for pain specifically bc my doctor doesn't fell comfortable prescribing opiates when I'm on benzos.

Has anyone else ended up worse than they were trying to get enough "to last awhile".? All it's done is got me in over my head even more! I want to order some more sr17018 but since I'm not using it correctly, can I use it several days and then switch to buprenorphine for how ever long to get off of this? I've done opiates responsibly for 5 years but this 7oh has just worked me over!

Should I get more sr17018? Or take what I have and switch to buprenorphine, or does the buprenorphine not work as well as sr17018? I don't wanna deal with paws but I feel my ability to stop has flown out the window!

Since it been doing the "pre " stage of sr17018, will it even work at this point? Or do I just to get it together and make my mind up and actually start tapering 7oh?

I even bought pseudo pills and mit pills bc I read that works? Does the buprenorphine with mit or pseudo cause paws too? I'm so fed up with this crap and I'm fighting myself from getting more sr17018 And more 7oh powder! I still have about 5 grams of each. But remember everything I'm taking is times 2 because my husband needs to quit, too! Plus I found out a good friend of mine is on them, too. So I wanna help her get off of these. I'm just depressed and want my life back. I haven't felt the withdrawals much because I have enough to take some more when I do! I terrified of how it's going to affect me when it's all done! 🙏🙏🙏

Hello all,

First timer here. I've read a lot on this sub about tips and tricks. However I feel as though I am still failing. I have my follow up Sub appointment tomorrow which is a week from my initial appointment where I was prescribed 2.5 8/2 sub films once daily. I had been taking up to 1,200 mg 7 0h daily prior to my sub appointment with Quick MD. I did as instructed when first taking the subs and waited 12 hours until I was in withdrawal. The 2 1/2 films that were prescribed to me didn't do anything. And that was after waiting 1 1/2 hours after the films. I have also tried mega dosing vitamin c and building it up in my system to tolerance but it doesn't seem to do anything either. As of now, I have cut my 7 0h dose in half and have been using subs in between doses. The withdrawal effects have been pure hell. Especially the diarrhea. Which I feel the vitamin c escalated. I know you're not supposed to take Imodium but it's the only OTC I have for diarrhea. But it also had no effect. With my appointment being tomorrow, I am not sure what I should tell the doctor. Should I explain that the subs aren't working and that I have felt forced to continue the 7 0? I have to work daily and care for others. I can't take a day or days off to withdraw. Yesterday I took extra 7 0h to finally stop the diarrhea because after 5 days or so, even chugging water and electrolyte drinks, I was completely dried out and dehydrated. Should I ask for a higher sub dose and be honest with the doctor? Or should I pretend it is working and continue the subs while reducing 7? I am terrified of the future repercussions of being labeled an addict or for seeking future medical care. I'm afraid this will follow me for the rest of my life. I am also afraid that I will be told to go to inpatient rehab. Which is also not a possibility for me given my responsibilities. Does anyone have advice for my situation? This is my first time with any of this and I am so lost. Not to mention that once I had gotten down to half the old dose of 7, the worst depression hit me yesterday morning. I cried all the way to work over the sadness in our world. Also, should I ask for supportive medications, or will that make me seem as though I am seeking more substances? I appreciate any and all advice.

I’ll try to make this as short as possible, but it (really) is a lonngggg story .

3rd gen addict here, had a double spinal fusion years ago that took things from a recreational thing, to doing 10-30 bluss (30 mg oxy’s a day).

Fully detoxed twice using subs, went 2+ years without any op’s then some genius at a smoke shop recommended 7 for “energy and to help my anxiety!
Had NO clue 7oh was addictive until one day i went 6-8 hours without any and felt this “strange sickness” lol. Well, i went from 50-75 mg’s of 7 to 400-750mg’s of 7 a day, quickly (now that i know a lifttlleee more about 7, realized that was a common trap…SS’s would give me sample” etc, the whole 9.

My state abruptly banned 7, obviously had very bad WD’s, found a few gas stations etc that were still selling it, then had out of state friends mailing it to me etc, pretty quickly tapered off of 7 wifh street drugs + subs (but still had nasty PAWS) when an ad popped up on my social media feed for “new botanical blend that has zero 7 and will make you feel great!”
Took that for 2-3 months without having ANY idea it was….MGM-15!!
That went from a controllable thing /good 1/2 life into a 350-500mg a day MGM-15 addiction. Then, my state, again, abruptly banned MGM! 🥴🥴🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️. Thought I could go CT, yeah, no. Single dad here, + sole earner $$$ for my small family so I CANNOT miss a day of work nor caring for my elderly father who has several health issues. Then, I hear about this “nation wide ban on ALL Kratom Alks!” Which put my anxiety /on and off again depression into level 10!!! Tried to stash as much MGM and SR away, but the addiction side of me quickly depleted my “stash.”
Was making decent $$$ but my career is somewhat seasonal and this is the slowest time of year for me ($$$ wise so can’t really get much more MGM or SR) but, I’m a hustler and I’ll do, whatever I have to, to come up with the $$ for more SR if I have to, but I have a LOT of responsibilities and CANNOT go into WD’s or my family. Will literally by Effed! Have tried tapering off of MGM, but get extreme PAWS/ anxiety and absolutely zero energy to do even the smallest tasks.

So, realistically how much SR will I need to help get off of the MGM?
My worse fears are I’ll be back on blues, will run into fent etc and end up a statistic (like 3-4 of my friends did when 7 was originally banned here…). My son is my world, have to keep earning $$$ + my father gravely depends on me, for everything (full time caretaker + earner of our small family…).

If you guys could please be as positive as possible without judging me, I would really appreciate it 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼. Just need some BASIC guidance on how much and when to use SR and any other positive advice you guys can give me. Don’t really want to go back to subs. And cannot do in patient treatment due to my situation. Any guidance would be GREATLY appreciated! ✌️

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(Specific questions are numbered below if you dont feel like reading.)I just need people to talk to about this, because Im so deeply ashamed for getting in this situation (again) and Im afraid my husband will leave me. I have a history of abusing my prescriptions—mostly stimulants and one time in particular I almost lost my husband over Ambien a few years ago. Nothing “hard” or illegal—i have a healthy fear of that. But, Im just always searching for something that will make me feel normal and functional, it’s as simple as that, but Ive done it so stupidly and fucked with my brain, I domt even know what my baseline is anymore. 7-oh was a godsend, I thought. Until it wasnt, of course.

My husband has no idea I take it, but he suspects something is going on, which he’s right to. Recently we had a huge argument about my inconsistent mental state and how he suspected I was doing it to myself again and he felt he was married to an addict and didnt know how much longer he could stay with me in this state.

Folks, I cant tell you how distressed I was to fix myself IMMEDIATELY. The terror that he’d see me in a depressed state or that id wake up one morning unable to function again and that it would be the straw that broke the camels back was instant motivation to quit cold turkey, for real, no looking back. But, it turned out to not be that simple.

See, he doesnt know Im on the shit. So I cant go through withdrawals openly. I quit twice in the past because it was expensive and at that time I could. The first time was pretty easy with my stimulants and sleeping meds for support. The second time was harder because of relentless RLS at night. Now Im here.

I want to know your experiences and maybe whats “normal”or be given some reassurance that Im headed in the right direction as I have been tapering the last three weeks.

I was taking 12-15mg dose around 5 times a day. After three weeks Im down to 8-10mg 2-3 times a day.

1. Is it possible im past the worst “physical” stuff? When ive quit in the past cold turkey, once I got past the 24 hour mark everything was gravy. Im down to 8-10mg 2-3 times a day, which doesn’t sound like that much progress, but actually what feels important to me is Im able to go as long as 16-17 hours without any physical symptoms (no more sweating, shaking, or RLS—knock on wood) when it used to start after 4 hours…then 12 hours… Does that mean Im past the worst of the physical stuff?

2. is it ok to taper with full spectrum kratom extract and if so how much? the anxiety is INSANE this go-round and that has been the only thing slowing me down. Im avoiding my adhd meds, now, obviously, bc of that, but the anxiety and panic are so bad I cant think of anything else. The problem is, I still have to function as an adult (im a lawyer with high pressure deadlines), care for three little boys, and dont forget i have to act happy and sane so my husband is assured of my stability. So, the taper has stalled for several days, and that mightve been fine, but NOW i cant buy it anywhere to stretch out the taper, bc of the ban. So, I got so desparately insanely panicked (like blind from panic) I went and bought full spectrum kratom extract tablets with “very little” 7-oh in it (thats what the salesman told me, “very little”—who knows what that means.) Will it help? If a 10mg dose of 7-oh helps my symptoms, how many mg should i be taking of the full spectrum stuff if i end up needing to use it as a substitute?

3. Am I making progress? When Im in a good state of mind (usually after my tapered dose) I feel that I have bc yesterday i went from 7pm all the way til 11:30am the next morning with no problemsz However , the anxiety got so bad I had to take a dose. The positive thing is that I was able to find relief with a smaller dose—unfortunately, it didnt last very long. I dont know if thats any better, if I have to end up taking the smaller dose more frequently. So when my anxiety is at its peak, i despair thinking i havent ACTUALLY made any progress and that it will never end.

Thanks for reading. I hope someone is out there who will help me feel not alone in this and keep me moving forward confidently .

I’m about to quit 7OH as it’s getting banned in WA state by the end of August, truthfully I need and want to quit regardless, for many reasons. I just didn’t have the willpower. I’ve never been a “drug” user, I smoked weed for years but quit cold turkey about 2 years ago. So this is all unfamiliar territory for me. I currently take about 300-400mg of 7Oh in a 24 hour period, I’m curious what vitamins or supplements you experienced users recommend to help with the withdrawal and basically what should I expect? Am I going to be medically at risk? The stuff I read online is pretty scary about life threatening withdrawal and as I said being very inexperienced with this I’m super nervous. I’m an army combat veteran and tried kratom for some anxiety and pain relief and then got hooked on the heat 80’s/150’s tablets of 7OH. Anything you guys can recommend I would sincerely appreciate, I’m pretty scared I won’t lie. Thank you all for reading.

This quit was way easier than I thought it would be, I’m so fucking proud of myself for doing this especially because I refused to take the strips. FYI - 1.5 year 600-1200 mg/day user (7stax).

The worst part of this right now is debilitating gut pain, bloating, soreness. My abdomen is in lots of achey sore pain, like my entire gi tract and lower belly feels almost distended, like I can’t really control or hold or tighten my muscles there. It’s really uncomfortable and can randomly hit me, but it’s never sharp. It’s painful but in a sore way not a sharp way.

My insides feel swollen, inflamed, achey, and I’m so so so bloated because I literally can’t tighten my stomach like I normally always do. I have taken liposomal vitamin c at megadoses - but it’s a high quality liquid - though could still be making it worse.

When I sit down it hurts a lot of the time, it can hurt while I’m walking, moving, etc. it kinda feels like trapped gas but there’s really nothing there, just yucky wet/sparse nothing. It just hurts.

I’m concerned. I know stomach issues are to be expected - but I literally feel like my organs are on their last leg. I know I’ve shredded my gut biome from this and my 6 year kratom habit before it. I also assume this might be because I’m actually FEELING my body again. The numbness isn’t there so I’m feeling how my body was really feeling and doing.

Anyone who’s been sober for a while that can offer your experience?

Anyone else going through this now?

I’m going to keep hydrating and exercising as I have been, I’m moving way more, doing yoga/stretching to massage and move things around. I’m also eating sauerkraut for the amazing probiotics, but I definitely have no appetite yet. I’m thinking of stopping the vitamin c to see if that makes a difference too.

What has worked for others??

I need help… I’m not gonna go on and on, I have a 1000mg habit a day… got 50 sr-17 tablets coming Friday… I know nothing about this to taper & switch … I’ve e re read many threads & I get so anxious reading them that I just take more 7-oh … I’m so ashamed, I’ve ran through all my savings & i work more to buy more! Such a beast on my back! Should I get some red vein Kratom as well? I just need advice please

I’m taking a crazy amount of 7OH. I stocked up before the ban - and honestly the smoke shop is still selling it on the low. But it’s time to come off this shit.

I’m scripted subs, so I got a bookbag full of them plus I have a bag of 20 or so 50mg sr-17018’s that just came in the mail.

I have spent SOOOO much money on 7-OH. I hate to see it go though. If told you the things I got accomplished on it, you’d be shocked. The good news is...I could do it without it too. It was just so helpful after years of chronic pain management, to find something that was finally working.

I’m going to probably run through my stash which should take around 10 days or so, but begin a taper before it runs out - down 25 mgs a day / 3-4 hrs between doses. Start spacing and lowering the dosages - a true walk down.

From there, I’ll jump to sr-17018’s. Hopefully I don’t have to get on subs - it’s last resort only. I’ve got plenty of them but nobody wants to be on subs, they are the worst - you can FEEL that they are just another opiate that just keeps cravings off.

Wish me luck. If you’re interested, I’ll let you know how I do when I taper.

I’m easily doing 1500 to 2000mgs a day. I’ll pop two 100mg pills easily - then in 2 hrs or so, another. Sometimes 3 hrs in between…and I sleep fine.

The time has come to let this mess go - unfortunately, or fortunately? It’s been killing my dental health too, dude. I had teeth just start falling out. Between that and finally being able to save some money…I guess the ban has SOME upside 🤷🏽‍♂️

Nahhh…no upside. Still think they should leave it alone lol 😆

I reached out to another Reddit user. I picked his brain on advice and how to get through withdraws the easiest. I would highly recommend finding a brother or sister on here to do this with. I withdrew for about 50 hours. I was a heavy 7OH user. Sometimes 1000 mlg per day. For about two years. 12 year kratom user. The weekend was horrible. There is no going around that. I highly suggest that people ready to take the leap, grab your spouse or close friend to be there for your “withdrawal weekend”. I came close to giving in the first night. I am on the other side and I feel better than I have in years. 1st dose of suboxone took effect within 5 minutes. I’m sick and tired of my income going to this addiction. I’m tired of it making my body have cold sweats, or sweating for no reason. I’m tired of it taking my life. Get through at least 30 hours of withdrawal friends 7OH has a short 12 hour half life. Meaning it’s out of your system even at high doses. I would highly suggest two full days of withdraw that way you won’t experience participated withdrawal Stay highdrated. You will get through this horrible addiction. Please reach out. Your brother James! You can do this!!!

How long after my last dose of 7oh can I start Suboxone?

So I got subs, because I can no longer get 7oh. It’s illegal in my state and the few places I could get to in the next state over stopped selling last week. It’s been about 6 hours since my last dose. I don’t feel terrible, just a little hot, minor stomach pains that come and go, and my throat feels funny. But, I was hoping to take some now so it kicks in before I start feeling horrible so I can sleep well tonight and go to work tomorrow. I’ve tried researching it, but I’m seeing contradictory things.. some people say you have to wait 12 hours or will go into precipitated withdrawal. Others say as long as it was 7oh without pseudo, you won’t get PWDs at all, that’s it’s the ones with pseudo that can cause that…and mine did not have pseudo. Does anyone know for sure? Thanks! I’ve taken subs before and know that about 6mg will take away the WDs completely for me but it was on the weekend and I waited until I was feeling absolute trash first. I’d rather avoid that with work tomorrow (and yes, I know, when I used them before and was off of 7 completely for 2 months, I should have stayed off, but I’m an idiot and here we are).

You are not alone.

Similar story to everybody here… Started with regular kratom about 2 years ago. Didnt like the taste so when I saw ‘kratom pills’ I figured I’d give it a shot. I was addicted within a week. Couldn’t go a few hours without it. Most of the time, I was just taking it to feel normal. And crazy expensive. At my worst, I was at 2000mg a day. But easily obtainable. I live in a city and there’s 4 places on my street that sells it. Anyways, the ban happened. Withdrawals. I’ve tried so many times to quit, but the withdrawals were god awful. I’ve never done heroin or fent, but I’ve read many times that the withdrawals are similar/if not worse than actual opioids. I got on Suboxone, got a good support system and came clean with everything. I’ve never told anybody my addiction, even my wife. Well, I’m here past day 7, no withdrawals (still taking very little subs), and I’m going to a rehab facility next week for outpatient care. I asked the rehab facility on the phone ‘I’m just curious, but has anyone else called in for this addiction?’. Her reaction said it all, ‘this is by far the most popular drug that people have called in for during the history of this facility’.

So with that being said, you are not alone. Most of us took it with a pretty harmless intention, and ended up being addicts. That’s okay though. It was easily obtainable, and unregulated. I got it the same place I got my soda and snacks. The truth though, is that you can’t be afraid to ask for help. I was keeping this secret of 7OH for over a year, and never got anywhere. I came clean and asked for help, and I wish I would’ve done that sooner.

I’m not saying I’m totally out of the woods yet. But if anyone needs help, please message me. Don’t be afraid to ask for help. It’s what got me through.

Peace and love to you all.

Hey everyone. I'm hoping to get some input from people who have experience transitioning off 7-OH using SR-17018/SR17.

I had been using 7-OH regularly but had already tapered down to around 12.5 mg/day before I lost access to it. I used MGM15 for about a week to keep withdrawal symptoms manageable, but I didn't want to stay on that long enough to potentially become dependent on it, so I transitioned to SR17.

I'm now on Day 4 of SR17 and have been keeping a detailed dosing log.

Day 1

8:00 AM — 100 mg SR17

1:50 PM — 100 mg

6:05 PM — 50 mg

8:50 PM — 100 mg

11:00 PM — 50 mg

12:55 AM — 75 mg

At around 8:50 PM, I started feeling pretty rough: pins-and-needles/oversensitivity when scratching my skin, feeling overly sensitive to touch, and I was very moody. Around 11 PM, I took 12.5 mg of 7-OH because I was feeling crappy. I didn't really notice the usual 7-OH effects/high, though.

Day 2

9:50 AM — 50 mg SR17

3:50 PM — 75 mg

6:10 PM — 75 mg

That morning I felt moody, emotional, and tired, but after dosing I generally felt okay. I had accidentally fallen asleep at sometime around 9pm-ish, Woke up at 1:25am feeling okay, and took my dose just to make sure I wouldn't withdrawal.

Day 3

1:25 AM — 50 mg

7:20 AM — 50 mg

3:20 PM — 25 mg

5:05 PM — 25 mg

12:16 AM — 50 mg

Middle of the day always seems to be the hardest, I think because thats when my 2/3rd dose of the day would be with 7OH/MGM15. Just really moody and some skin sensitivity when scratching my arm. I mowed the yard around 7pm and was also babysitting my 1.5 year old nephew... and honestly it went pretty good. I was really just craving a high. Any kind. I smoke cannibis regularly so I think that also helped a lot to have as a distraction. 

Day 4

12:15 PM — 50 mg

Today is Day 4 and its currently 7:25pm as I writing this and I feel pretty okay. its been 7 hours since my dose of SR and at 3:00pm I took a I ended up drinking half of a Feel Free KavaMaté around 3 PM because I was bored and wanted to feel a little more relaxed/altered. Honestly, I didn't notice much of anything from it. I think it may have took some uncomfortability away?

Most of my symptoms over the last couple days haven't actually been severe physical withdrawal. It's mostly been moodiness, occasional anger/irritability, feeling emotional, and some tiredness. I've also had occasional mild hot flashes and some skin sensitivity, but nothing unbearable.

One thing I'm struggling with is that I think I'm craving the 7-OH high more than I am actually craving relief from withdrawal. I don't currently have 7-OH available other than one 25 mg tablet I have left over. Ive been tempted to take it, just to say fuck it, but scared to ruin this whole process..

I'm now wondering if I'm actually taking more SR17 than my body needs at this point, especially considering how dramatically my dose has already decreased from Day 1. I haven't taken any additional SR17 since that 12:15 PM Day 4 (today) dose, and so far I'm doing okay.

Another thing I'm really unsure about is how long I actually need to stay on the SR17. My goal was to use it as a bridge away from the 7-OH/MGM15, not to become dependent on SR17 itself. Since I'm now on Day 4 and my SR dose has dropped quite a bit, I'm wondering how long people generally continued taking it before stopping.

I'm currently wondering whether I could make it through tonight without another SR dose, or whether stopping this soon could cause withdrawal from the 7-OH/MGM15 to come back. For people who have done a similar transition, how did you know when you were actually in the clear? Did you stop SR once you were feeling relatively normal, or did you continue for a certain number of days?

For reference, my SR17 product is labeled as containing 50 mg SR-17018 (Essar-17) per tablet, along with a proprietary blend of GABA, L-theanine, and L-tyrosine.

I'm curious what people experienced around Days 3–5 when transitioning from 7-OH to SR17. Did anyone find that they needed progressively less SR as their body adjusted? Did mood symptoms linger after the physical withdrawal symptoms improved? And how did you tell the difference between actual withdrawal and simply craving the 7-OH feeling?