r/AIWarsButBetter

All of you are focusing on my finger and I’m trying to point to the sky. You’re all so stupid, you’re beyond any help. I’m sorry you’re fucked mentally.

Art has value. If you want to make the argument that only “good” art has value, sure, for the sake of this point getting across I’ll grant that.

AI art has no value. This is because AI is free and accessible to everyone. It holds zero value. If you generate an image of a cat dancing across a pond, it holds no value because literally ANYONE else can make it without a second thought.

In a market, for a product to hold any value, there must be a sense of some scarcity. Supply and demand. If there is infinite supply, there is no demand. Whatever the product is holds genuinely zero value.

If you make “ai art”, it genuinely holds no value because there’s an infinite supply of the same stuff. That’s why we call it slop.

If you take a real artist and have them create something, that thing holds value because it is unique, there is a limited supply of that thing. And yes, that thing must be good to have value. But don’t get focused on my finger while I’m pointing at the sky, that’s why I mentioned real artist, so something good is very likely to come of it. When I say real artist, that means that artist has spent time honing their craft, their style, practicing and practicing, making mistakes, the entire process you don’t go through when asking the computer to make you something you thought of.

Your AI creations are not art because they do not hold the same intrinsic value by existing. Sure, you could come up with some creative prompt, but there’s nothing stopping me from doing the exact same. In real art, barriers exist. Skill, talent, resources. With generative AI, no barrier exists. That’s why it holds no value and it isn’t true art.

Argue in the comments

(Note: Setting aside the debate on AI ethics, assume for a moment we are strictly discussing human creative input and authorship. And imagine we live in world were AI is ethical for sake of doing a specific debate)

Pure Manual: An artist draws, paints, and renders every single mark by hand.

2. Micro-Assistance: The artist creates the entire piece by hand, but uses generative fill for a single, minor background correction (e.g., erasing a stray line or filling a tiny texture gap).

3. Partial Inpainting: The artist draws and renders the main subject by hand, but uses AI inpainting to generate secondary background elements (e.g., foliage or sky).

4. Guided Rendering: The artist draws the original line art and layout by hand, but uses image-to-image AI to render the colors, lighting, and shading.

5. Sketch-to-Image: The artist provides a rough layout sketch, and AI renders the entire final artwork based on that composition.

6. Pure Text Generation: A user enters a text prompt and the AI generates the complete image without any hand-drawn input.

Consider everything in between the numbers as well.

[The Question]:
For those who view AI assistance as invalidating a work as "art":
Where along this step-by-step progression does the threshold lie?
If Step 2 is still art or “artist made it”, what specific principle separates Step 2 from Steps 3 or 4?

(Do not the dodge question with “there are no true scotsman” argument)

Tl;dr “at how much creative control in the output is the artist the artist of the output/ or output is art?”

(Note: Ai assisted writing/structuring for sake of readers, idea is mine)

Consider a upvote if you found this post thought provoking or downvote if it feels unproductive, you don't have to agree with my stance at all i try to practice agree to disagree.

First of all i would like to say that my English is terrible so forgive me and here i am going to talk about ai and soul.So see look at a certain writing or a certain book it is built by conditions of instinct to create a specific feelings or as some would call it "vibes".If you says that feelings and vibes is the soul then ai has none.Why do i say that?I say that because of randomness of human chaos, all people have a basic fundamental level of something to be a human but still their genetics are not the eame therefore creating an infinite amounts of human with distinct looks or similar looks arounds the globe.Same way in writing when we write we have techniques(which are the basics and the fundamentals) but then by our instinct we create a certain emotion that can't be replicated again(because each time instinct act differently and to replicated it perfectly you would only have to write and copy it again which is not art).Even when we are feeling happy or sad psychologist looks at how our neuron fires and how much do we smiles they only measure the conditions of the emotions not the perceived emotional itself.One might say that ohh the neurons or the conditions are the emotions, but saying that if you just let neuron lights up by itself without a randomized host by nature it is subjectively not allive not even happy or sad it just fires up.Then that proves that coming from the body emotions ended up becoming a whole different things but exists inside the body.Same way ai is like that neuron it can only replicates emotions and human instincts which it doesn't feel or is conscious off.And why is that such a big thing why is it connected to art?I say that because art is infinitely divided into styles into this form and that form it is not predictable at all and all of that is built by human instincts sometime there is a word that we feel cringy or icky about for no apparent reasons and so we can use it in writing to manipulate other fundamental and also a bit of a subjective cringy feelings or other.Ai don't have that instinct that a word is cringy or is good by situations.There are thousands and thousands of situations and thousands of context that make a word meaning completely changes in the emotional senses and ai could only try to replicate that by having an infinite amounts of dictionary of different situations and when to use this word whrn to use that word and so on and so on to replicate and produce a subjective human emotions that the original writer intended too but the things is that it doesn't exist(considering infinites amounts of moment infinites amounts of words using it in a compatible way of the instinct rather than smashing a bunch of things together and making a thing that is completely uncompatible for the human emotions) And you might say ohh humans don't have stored data of infinite situations and words too i agree but when human write or draw or make something they get a sense and an instinct that make them goes "wait this feels kinda weird" by human nature ai doesn't have that so we can prioritize that and we can manipulate and master that unnameable instinct.

I'm tired, just tired. I just want to show something I made, see what someone else is working on, and have a normal conversation about it. I don't want to turn it into another argument about AI.

I made this account so I can start anew.

I’ve loved games since I was little. Using that as fuel, in my own projects, I make the art, music, and narrative by hand and use AI to help with coding (I do have experience coding before the AI era). That’s my own approach.

Other people create differently, and I’d like us to be able to share a space without needing to agree about every tool.

As a solution for myself, I made a Discord server to create a space for sharing projects, progress, and constructive feedback. Each member gets their own ongoing threads for progress and creations.
Work made with and without AI is welcome.
I set this up for myself, and I just want to provide safe space for y'all and myself. Currently, it’s just me in the server.

The point isn’t to convince anyone to like AI or stop caring about how things are made.
It's to have somewhere those differences don’t need to become personal conflicts.

I’ll share the invite in the replies with anyone who asks.

I’d rather spend that time making things and seeing what others make. When we’re tired of conflicts, I think that’s something a little more interesting to do.

(Note: Based on my own words and ideas, with AI help organizing and editing (I'm not good at structures), then I reviewed it and edited it, adding my own words.)