r/AmazighPeople

Amazigh variants spoken in western Algeria (20th century)

Amazigh variants spoken in western Algeria (20th century)

Does anyone know about "Achaacha" and its history? I can't find much about it.

u/Technical-Result5020 — 9 hours ago

This English Wikipedia article for "Pre-colonial history of the Canary Islands" seems to push eurocentric origin or am i tripping?

This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-colonial_history_of_the_Canary_Islands

I was recently reading through the English Wikipedia article for the "Pre-colonial history of the Canary Islands" and couldn't help but notice some incredibly biased framing. It honestly feels like whoever is controlling or editing this page is actively trying to downplay the Guanche genocide and force an Eurocentric narrative. The article literally uses the phrase: “the prehispanic populations experienced a long and ongoing process of Westernisation before formal colonization took place.'' It was a brutal campaign of military conquest, mass enslavement, and the forced erasure of an entire culture "a long process of Westernisation" is an insane historical euphemism. It ignores the violence, the battles (like the First Battle of Acentejo), and the physical/cultural destruction of the indigenous population, making it look like a natural or even peaceful assimilation.

It is as well downplaying the Amazigh origin of its people, even though modern genetics and mitochondrial DNA analysis are irrefutable, the text uses incredibly reluctant and loaded wording to create an artificial layer of skepticism around the indigenous peoples' true roots. For instance, the introduction states that the population is merely *“*hypothesized to be of North African Berber origin.” i thoought it would be a very strict vocabulary at first but then i kept reading and it was only pushing Romans, Phoenicians and Greeks origins more than half of the page with a ''closer'' vocabulary (the article directly used a Punic-Phoenician origin), and using ''distant'' vocabulary to the North African origin briefly.

Later in the text, when addressing modern consensus, it uses the bizarre phrasing that archaeological and ethnographic studies “have led most scholars to accept the view...” (of North African origin) as if researchers were begrudgingly forced to accept the North African origin against their will, rather than it being a solid scientific fact. The article even pulls an incredibly slick and manipulative trick in the genetics section (because the genetic origin is very irrefutable) to artificially distance the Guanches from modern Amazigh peoples, it states: ''Although the Berbers are the most probable ancestors of the Guanches, it is deduced that important human movements [e.g., the Islamic-Arabic conquest of the Berbers] have reshaped Northwest Africa after the migratory wave to the Canary Islands”. It can work or seem that by shoehorning the historical propagation of Islam in Maghreb right here, the text is actively trying to break the link between the pre-colonial Canarian population (Guanche) and current North African populations. It basically uses the Arabization of the Maghreb as an excuse to claim that ''modern Imazighen changed too much, so theyaren't the same people anymore'', thats what i felt like the user was trying to say after reading that useless mention.

Obsession with Roman and Phoenician Artifacts, while ignoring the North African/Amazigh strong culture as a whole present in Guanches.

A disproportionate amount of space in the text is dedicated to highlighting Roman and Phoenician trade potsherds and archaeological findings (which, historically, was extremely common across all of continental North Africa during antiquity because of commerce, Canary islands was no exception). The page even cites a 2024 study to aggressively assert that "the Romans were the first to colonise the islands."

This feels like a classic historiographical bias. By overemphasizing a brief, ancient Roman footprint and setting up an artificial temporal barrier, the article tries to tie the islands' past strictly to Classical European history, pushing the actual indigenous North African history into the background.

I wrote all of this and translated it into English so that someone who knows how to edit Wikipedia pages (since I don't know how to do it myself) can help introduce neutral, updated, and accurate information, without pushing outdated narratives. Thanks.

u/Iammee190 — 12 hours ago

I’ve been feeling powerless lately.

North African governments are Arabist elites who only pretend to acknowledge us.

I also feel that complaining to the UN won't get us anywhere, because North African states are too powerful.

The worst part is that the majority of Imazighen have been Arabized, which complicates the issue. Sometimes I wonder if a minority can actually have influence and bring about change, or if it’s a lost cause.

In short, it feels like the odds are stacked against us; if anyone can reassure me, please do.

Tenmirt.

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u/amazigh_tarifsht — 1 day ago

Sons results 4 way Moroccan and moroccan north

Any idea why my son shifts towards Algerians instead of Moroccans, I don’t get it

u/Broad-Teaching-5099 — 1 day ago

Proud of being Riffian Amazigh, but struggling to connect with the local mentality and Arab-Islamic influence?

I wanted to put this out there to see if anyone else feels the same way, or if I'm completely alone in this.
On one hand, I have an immense amount of pride in my roots, my ethnicity, and our history as Riffian Amazighs. Our culture, resilience, and identity mean a lot to me.
However, on a personal level, I often really struggle to connect with our people day-to-day. I find myself deeply frustrated by prevailing social beliefs, traditional religious dogmas, and the heavy Arab-Middle Eastern cultural influence that has largely overshadowed or erased our indigenous Amazigh identity and way of thinking. Because of the general lack of open-minded discourse and intellectual stimulation in many of our circles, I find it hard to form deep friendships or date within our community. Instead, I naturally gravitate toward people from other regions or entirely different countries who share a more critical and open wavelength.
Does anyone else experience this duality? How do you balance being deeply proud of your heritage while feeling alienated by the current cultural and religious mentality of the community?

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u/rebeu_distinguee — 4 days ago

Will u be interested in supporting me ?

Hey everyone!

I recently started an Instagram news platform called ISALLEN. We cover Algerian and global events, translated and written directly in Tamazight with professional visuals.

As someone who cares deeply about keeping our language active in modern daily life, I wanted to build a page where people can stay informed while practicing their reading.

Any support, follow, or advice from this community would mean the world to me.

Give us a follow if you're interested

Ig : isalen.dz

u/Born-Commission9098 — 3 days ago

I was so hyped seeing this until I started reading it and I realized it's just arabic with the tifinagh script. I thought it was a translation 😭

u/Only_MTaha — 6 days ago

I don't really know who I am?

Hi everyone. I’m from Kasserine, Tunisia. After watching and reading some things about the Amazigh people, I started asking myself a lot of questions. Right now, I’m wondering whether I have the right to live in Tunisia and call it my home, my country, the homeland,... . because I honestly don’t know who I am. Am I Arab, Berber, Amazigh, or simply African?

My last name is Bellili, and researching its history has been very difficult because there are many similar family names, such as Belili and Blayli, which makes things even more complicated.

What I know is that I was born here in Tunisia, as were other members of my family, although I believe our family has only been here for a few generations. According to what my grandfather told me, his father was originally an Algerian Jew who later converted to Islam. He also fought during World War II and eventually ended up fighting alongside Tunisians during the struggle for national independence.

So, I’m trying to understand my family’s history and, more importantly, understand who I am. I don’t know whether I should identify as Arab, Amazigh, Berber, or simply Tunisian. I’m very curious about what being Amazigh really means and how people recognize each other as Amazigh or Arab. Like, how would you know that someone is Amazigh and someone else is Arab?

And thanks for your time

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u/Khaled_derFriedliche — 6 days ago

lineage and genetics

hey everyone i’ve been trying to discover more about my amazigh lineage even tho my mom keeps insisting that we are “arab.” Even tho my family identifies with the arab ideology i still have a firm belief that we got colonized and arabized that everyone here at least has at least some amazigh lineage in their blood but it’s a matter of fact of if the tribe or the population of people were forced by arabs and resisted or not. I strictly refuse the arabization that happened to our country but at the same time i really don’t know what to identify as since my family themselves wouldn’t think bout it.
So i wanted to ask who can consider themselves amazigh? Is it only strictly to the tribes? Or anyone who refuses the arabization? cause we all whether you come from an “arab” family or amazigh tribe we for sure have mixed blood cz we couldn’t help it.

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u/Complex_Law_7474 — 6 days ago

Noticed big similarity in Kabyle and Rifi/Zenasni women (Eatsern Morocco)

So i knew some Kabyle girls aborad, and some Eatsern Moroccan girls (especially from Rif/ Beni Zenassen) and i noticed big similarity in looks like if they are from the same place

Both are really white light skin, with brunette hair, light brown eyes, tall, and attractive looks

To the point that if you don't know them you'll think they are sisters or from the same family

This is interesting to think about, because although the distance, isolation of these 2 Amazigh groups they are very similar in looks

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u/HMZ_PBI — 7 days ago

We should be giving our children amazigh names more often.

We should be giving amazigh names more often to our children because they are really beautiful and need to be preserved, i have noticed that we often use arabic names for our children, im half kabyle half chenoui and my whole family has arabic names even though they are full ethnic amazighs i have met people in kabylie who bore amazigh names such as massinisa and numdia but not the same could be said about chenouis i have never met a chenoui with an amazigh name actually which makes me sad , no shade to arabic names but cultural names are part of our heritage.

For girls i really love the names, tiziri(moonlight) tanirt(angel), numidia (after the amazigh empire) , dihya , massilya (after the Massyles, a ruling amazigh Numidian dynasty)

For boys i really like massinisa( "Their lord"; the great Numidian king) ,aksil (Leopard; name of the resistance king Kusaila) ,amarouz and amayas (cheetah) and sifaks (numdian king)

And much much more they sound so sweet and their meaning is beautiful too, makes me devastated they are rarely used even by us.

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u/Adorable-angel-06 — 7 days ago

What's happening with all the "could I pass as an amazigh" post here ???

Like genuinely is it a trend or are we back with the phrenology ???

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u/hmd007 — 6 days ago

This is happening..

When men used to work far away the women would raise the children in Tamazight, read poems, raise proud Amazigh children. But we see it gradually disappearing. Mohand A Bessaoud was right in his prediction from the last century.

u/Frosty_Ad1379 — 8 days ago