r/ArmsandArmor

WHAT THE HECK IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A POURPOINT, JUPON, GAMBESON, AND AKETON?

I'm trying to make a dnd campaign where the armor is more or less realistically designed and described. KCD2-ish. However, what is bothering me is I see all these different types of padded armors, and I really have no idea what the difference is or why they were used, which ones go under or over armor and why. Please somebody answer this question because I do not trust those AI answers anymore. Also, I'm asking more in the context of 14th century and early 15th.

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u/Dry-Charge-120 — 19 hours ago
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Some swords and weapons i saw today at Smederevo museum, Serbia

Sorry for not taking pictures of information on these i totally forgot, i will just say what i remember reading. I know not all of these are swords, hope thats not against the rules

  1. Late medieval swords that originate in germany, they have a wolf sigil(couldnt see it) that was used by one city in germany.

  2. Maces and some Ottoman coins

  3. Ottoman yatagans, 18th-19th century

  4. Detail from a yatagan blade

  5. Another yatagan with bone handle

  6. Detail from its blade

  7. Flintlock pistols and a weapon belt

  8. Helmet and some arrow and spear heads

  9. Same but diff angle and a matchlock rifle

  10. Cannons, hand cannons and matchlocks

  11. Matchlock

u/krococ — 1 day ago

What gauge steel thickness is appropriate for a historical 15th century helmet?

I am shopping around for a 15th century sallet helmet, and want to know what gauge steel thickness is appropriate for a historical helmet. I will not be fighting in it. I just want to know which thickness is most historically accurate.

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u/GrekGrek9 — 2 days ago

What linen should I use for a 13th century gambeson?

I want to build a 13th-century gambeson from eight layers of linen (so no filler, just layers). I've ordered five samples. They're all quite similar and I can't decide — what should I pick?

u/MxFinchen — 3 days ago

Burgonet Progress

I need rolled edges around the collar and the brim, then rivet holes for everything.

u/BreadHead2805 — 3 days ago
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It's not every day you see an old lady with a halberd on the train 😳

u/BMW_wulfi — 6 days ago

New Helmet!

Hello everyone. I got this cool transitional sallet based on the artifact of Saint. Peter's church. I don't know the maker, but it is well made with thickness of 2mm. Thanks for reading!

u/drasticboy12 — 4 days ago
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Golden sallet by Olórin Aep Dhubleidd (me)

The concept is based on a Maximilian-style armour. But I have added more golden pieces and engravings.

u/Olorin-Aep-Dhubleidd — 5 days ago

German vs Italian

I remade the post to be more specific. Do you prefer the gothic German style of armour or the Italian one? I’m referring to the armours of the late XV century. I’ll use two pictures to give an examples but you can use other examples if you want. We are taking about aesthetics not wich one is superior function wise (it wouldn’t be a fair argument because of how and when they were used and for what functions). The illustration where made by Graham Turner.

u/Laurence21624 — 5 days ago
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Further 14th Century Kit Considerations

Hello everyone!

I am making a new post about the 14th century footsoldier kit I had previously been trying to put together. I have now decided to further narrow down my timeframe, specifically to the Battle of Visby 1361, as a gutnish defender.

As part of this kit I intend to acquire a kettle hat, short sleeved riveted hauberk with a split front and back (8mm flat rings, alternating solid and flat rings) and a mail coif with the same setup. For the soft parts I intend to acquire a gambeson of some kind, as well as a pair of proper hose and preferably a pair of turn shoes. I am in the EU, for the purposes of availability, taxes and shipping.

In order to research this I have been looking over at manuscript miniatures and on account of being fluent in Swedish ive found a few papers on the subject, as well as two volumes of Armour from the Battle of Wisby 1361 by Thordeman. I intend to do quite a bit more reading before I actually purchase stuff. In particular, good sources on medieval shoes and clothing would be greatly appreciated, as this is an area I am largely unfamiliar with.

What I am really looking for right now is some advice on how get the most bang for my buck when balancing historical accuracy with the fact that I dont have infinite money. My main use case for the kit would still probably be LARP, medieval markets, and all that. But being a historian I would also love to be able to have a bit of pride in the attempt at historical accuracy when people inevitably ask questions about the kit. I am aware that the strive for historical accuracy is a never ending prospect, but I would love to see how far I could get without bankrupting myself.

When it comes to kettle hats, ive been looking at different options. This one (picture 1) is cheap and to my untrained eye looks fine enough.

For the mail, I am probably gonna order from Habibi Armoury. Got a quote for 600 dollars including shipping for the hauberk and coif.

For a gambeson Ive been eyeing this one from aketon.pl (picture 2), either in white, or if I could get a picture of their other colours, maybe a red or green, always been a sucker for madder. It would probably have to be machine sown, as to not obliterate my wallet entirely. Would this be super noticeable? My other question on this is if it would be historical enough with buttons. Ive seen both buttons and lacing on miniatures, but lacing seems the most common. Just for personal comfort, having buttons to enable you to get it on/off quicker in warm summers, would be a plus.

When it comes to hose and shoes I am a bit more clueless tbh. I have been eyeing these from medieval market (picture 3) with mixed hand and machine work. As for shoes, I am quite frankly lost. I am generally looking for the most generic, time agnostic turn-shoe available. Ideally one that could sort of work for anything from late viking age (where most of my other kit lies) up until the 14th century. I aware that this is most likely not possible, but a man can dream. I am willing to pay more to get a pair of handsown turnshoes. One caveat is that I would like a modern rubber sole on the bottom, I wear medieval clothing for work and would need something stronger and non-slippery for safety reasons.

I am very open to feedback and ideas. Thanks in advance for any help, reading posts here has been supremely useful.

TLDR: Need opinion on my idea for a Battle of Visby 1361 kit. Looking to buy short sleeve hauberk (Habibi Armoury), kettle hat, gambeson, hose and shoes. Looking for literature on medieval garments and shoes as my knowledge there is lacking. Based in EU for the purposes of shipping and availability.

u/Orbitrons — 7 days ago
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Moro kris with silver inlays and Damascus blade

This is my best (and thoroughly unexpected) find in my 8th year of blade collecting. I had to woo this from an antique dealer for 7 years until he finally agreed. It's a kris sword made by the Maguindanaon Moro tribe, likely mid to late 1800s. It has a 22.5in blade, 27.5in overall.

https://preview.redd.it/so9u4kaickjh1.jpg?width=5516&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbeb795576e39004497b9cbc998ccada0f21253a

The simple wooden hilt has a brass ferrule. There are silver inlays at the base of the blade- arrows and circles for an apotropaic purpose.

https://preview.redd.it/eqncu41lckjh1.jpg?width=5783&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e0bea0571ae788a5281f2b447a805f5b03e490f

The twistcore blade has 4 bars at the center panel.

https://preview.redd.it/pft5ibomckjh1.jpg?width=6000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88c00dbe257bc2e60af14c80a6a7d6b666cf931f

https://preview.redd.it/ngwm3q5rckjh1.jpg?width=3073&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e55145d634fd7411f197b9dfca93d5ca16fa311f

The whole sword was originally heavily rusted, so I alternated between vinegar immersion and hand polish before the pattern was revealed. I further etched it with dental etchant (I know FeCl3 is the best choice, but I can't use it at home). It's my first time to encounter a kris which has both silver inlays and twistcore blade.

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u/raymundoawaits — 5 days ago
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New Helmet Arrived!

One of the finishing touches of my 13th century came in today! It is a custom great helm based of the maciejowski Bible. It is 2mm thick in the front plates and 1.5mm thick in the rear plates. I'm smitten with it but wanted to share it to the group :)

u/Smith8464 — 8 days ago

Ordering a new flat ring dome riveted mail shirt

I’m ready to purchase a new flat ring, dome riveted 6mm mail shirt for my 15th century reenactment kit.
I’m six foot 1 inch tall, 205 lbs, long armed and 20lbs overweight. I lift weights and I’m moderately stout. Even when I ran marathons I was 185lb so that is just how I’m built. Thing is my chest is 48 inches and the Indian vendor recommends 10 inches over actual size to fit your gambeson. I wear a thin arming doublet that is 1cm thick at the chest. Does the oversizing to 58 inches seem too much or is the space needed for range of motion? The next size down is 55 inches. I don’t mind doing some tailoring cutting and adding rings but don’t want to pay all that money for something that is totally unusable. I’m also looking at the option to have them taper the arms to 14 inches hopefully that’s not too restrictive.
Any folks have any experiences that can guide me?
The vender is allbeststuff.com and they have been unbelievably responsive to my questions but looking for someone that has actually ordered and worn the stuff.
Thanks

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u/Main_Economist_5717 — 5 days ago

Help with finding a sword for me?

So I live in the UK and am looking to get a medieval sword! I am looking to mostly use It for visuals but I want to be high quality materials enough to show people if they came round and not be cheap materials. Though the problem is my budget is small. Max £150 for me as I'm not in need of a massive expensive thing. All I need is a sword that looks good close up with good materials and is medieval.

If anyone has any suggestions or help it will be heavily appreciated 👍 Thanks in advance!

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u/RaefE10 — 6 days ago