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Clancy - CW reading hospital note for every birthday, anniversary…

First, it was such overkill and went on forever and, second, it’s not like she read anything significant like ‘patient participated in stand up comedy and had a party in her room’. Basically all she was ‘patient was compliant and interacted with others’. The prosecutors have absolutely no clue about mental health. Like the fact that LW is alive and is existing means she committed first degree murder.

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u/Birch_mom72 — 14 hours ago

CW vs LC: Let's keep it classy

I AM NOT A MOD JUST AN ADVID USER OF THIS SUB:
I wanted to address some of commentary that has been creeping into the threads lately regarding the LC trial, specifically the regular, hyper-focused criticisms of people’s physical appearances. Whether it is a member of the CW legal team, a witness on the stand, or PC’s new wife, the negative comments about how people look, dress, or age are completely derailing the quality of our discussions. Frankly, it is giving major high school hallway energy, and it is a disappointing look for a community that prides itself on deep-dive case analysis. If you absolutely must debate whether someone’s outfit choice or hairstyle is a crime against humanity, please keep that mean-girl nonsense tucked away in your private group chats with your friends. There is a massive, clear-cut line between analyzing a professional's courtroom demeanor or a witness's credibility (which is entirely fair game) and reducing a serious legal proceeding to a petty roast session. Going after someone based strictly on their physical appearance is just cheap, lazy behavior that adds zero value to the conversation.
More importantly, behaving this way gives the outside world the exact ammunition they want to discredit this community. There is an ongoing, unfair stereotype that true crime forums are just echo chambers of judgmental women tearing others down under the guise of faux-empathy. We often see critics dismiss communities like ours by weaponizing the whole "women supporting women" narrative, claiming we only rally behind people who fit a certain mold. Let’s not prove them right. Real women who support other women do not systematically dissect another person's appearance the second they disagree with their role in a tragedy. When we resort to insults about someone's looks, we completely damage the intellectual credibility of this subreddit and make it easy for outsiders to look down on our analysis. We are dealing with an incredibly heavy, complex case that involves severe trauma, psychiatric law, and systemic failures. Let’s keep our focus on the facts, the evidence, and the legal arguments, and leave the superficial body-shaming behind.
But again- I’m not a Mod, just someone who loves women and this community 💜

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u/Narrow-Sea4755 — 20 hours ago

Clancy Case Beach Body

Ok first off. How is the prosecutor over here defending beach body acting like it’s just a great workout service and that doesn’t mean it’s a predatory MLM? To me points to lack of intelligence- mlms/pyramid schemes can have great products! It doesn’t mean they’re not scams. It seemed like she thought she had a gotcha moment to make him look like a jerk for saying what he said about it.

Second why even bring it up?! It didn’t seem to add to anything other than maybe trying to show the jury that he was mean or something? But like…. Anyone with base level knowledge of pyramid schemes knows how predatory they are and how they’ve evolved to sell products to shroud them from legal liability.

It was just so incredibly random to me and I think pointing to a lack of understanding of how society thinks about these things overall.

Edit: it sounds like prosecution as detracting from it because they felt defense was using it as proof of mania… thoughts???

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u/Ashamed_Fox_4757 — 22 hours ago

MA v. Lindsay Clancy - Day 16

LIVE: MA v. Lindsay Clancy - Day 16| Accused Killer Mom Trial

8/19/2026 @ 9:00 AM

🗣️⌨️ LIVE Lindsay Clancy Trial Chat - Join us!💬

📢NEW: Lindsay Clancy Case Hub🚨🗃️

💥💥UPDATES: Comments/Posts-8/13/2026💥💥

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Opening statements begin Monday for Massachusetts mom Lindsay Clancy after she killed her three young children inside the family's home in January 2023 before attempting to take her own life. Cora, 5, Dawson, 3, and Callan, 8 months, were found with exercise bands around their necks. Prosecutors contend Clancy intentionally strangled the children, while her defense argues she was suffering from severe postpartum depression and psychosis that left her unable to understand her actions. Jurors are expected to hear testimony from medical experts, investigators, and family members as they determine whether Clancy is criminally responsible for her children's deaths.

✨✨Previous Day & Recap

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I. ADMINISTRATIVE

• Judge announces delay; sidebar held.
• Court recesses briefly.
• Jury brought in at ~53:42.
• Case called: Commonwealth v. Lindsay Clancy.
• Defendant present.
• Defense: Attorney Kevin Reddington.
• Commonwealth: ADA Jennifer Sprague, ADA Shannon Buckingham.
• Judge conducts juror‑exposure questions.
• Judge states defense witness from prior day will resume.

Citation:
“(54:59) We have a continuation of the jury trial in the matter of Commonwealth versus Lindsay Clancy.”
“(56:00) There was a witness on the stand who was testifying on behalf of the defense.”

II. OUT‑OF‑JURY PRESENCE (OJP)

• Early sidebar regarding scheduling.
• Later OJP to discuss next witness timing before afternoon recess.

III. WITNESSES

A. DEFENSE WITNESS — PSYCHIATRIC EXPERT (REDIRECT, PARTS 1–2)

Start: 56:18
Called by: Defense
Examination Type: Redirect

November 29, 2022 — NP Gelada Visit

• Symptoms: unstable mood, depression, dissociation, flattened affect, derealization.
• Living in Duxbury with husband and three children.
• Husband working for Microsoft from home office.

December 2, 2022 — South Shore Perinatal Clinic

• Worsening condition.
• Complaints: brain damaged, suicidal ideation, hopelessness.
• Thought broadcasting; fear children would be removed.

Early December — Intrusive Thoughts

• “Bad and intrusive thoughts,” not her own.
• Content: kill herself, brain damaged, never get better.
• Persisted.

December 4 — Suicide Hotline

• Hotline declined intervention; no plan.
• Second call mid‑December; again no help.

Mid‑December — Psychosis and Paranoia

• Paranoid psychosis; increased depression.
• Fear of DCF and police.
• No prior police involvement.

Medications (Mid‑December)

• Seroquel, Remeron, Klonopin.
• Complaint: felt “like a zombie.”
• Anhedonia present.

December 15 — Rhode Island Partial Program

• No improvement.

Mass General ER Visits

• December 15 and December 30.
• Husband transported her to multiple appointments.
• Declined inpatient admission.

Dec 30–31 to Jan 5 — McLean Hospital

• Voluntary admission.
• Discharged Jan 5, 2023.
• Not AMA.
• Desired to attend daughter’s birthday Jan 7.

January 2023 — Post‑Discharge

• Tapering Seroquel and Klonopin.
• Intrusive thoughts and paranoia continued.

Intrusive Thoughts Defined

• Ego‑dystonic, unrelenting.
• Voices telling her to kill herself.

Citation:
“(1:06:51) They don't stop. (1:06:53) They're what we call egos dystonic.”
“(1:07:15) They were getting worse and they were telling her to kill herself.”

January 24, 2023 — Pediatric Appointment

• She drove daughter to pediatrician.
• Expert states psychotic individuals can perform familiar tasks.

January 24 — Afternoon Activities

• Built snowman with two children.
• Googled directions to restaurant.
• Texted husband about dinner and CVS (Pedialax).
• Remembered doctor’s instruction.

Evening of January 24

• Expert confirms this is the night the children were killed.

Psychological Testing

• MMSE.
• HARE Psychopathy Checklist.
• Result: no antisocial personality disorder.

Collateral Contacts

• Interviews with family, friends, social circle.

Postpartum Psychosis Symptom Review

• Depression, flat affect, tearfulness.
• Anxiety, nervousness.
• Withdrawal.
• Fatigue, heaviness.
• Difficulty caring for children.
• Poor hygiene.
• Auditory hallucinations.
• Dissociation.
• Hypomania.
• Racing thoughts, “busy brain.”
• Confusion, belief brain was damaged.
• Restlessness, agitation.
• Severe insomnia.

Criminal Responsibility Opinion

• Bipolar disorder with postpartum psychosis.
• Mental disease or defect.
• Unable to conform conduct to law.
• No appreciation of wrongfulness.

B. COMMONWEALTH CROSS‑EXAMINATION — PSYCHIATRIC EXPERT (PARTS 2–3)

Start: 1:18:22
Called by: Commonwealth
Examination Type: Cross

Expert Background

• Has testified for Commonwealth and defense.
• Former qualified examiner for DOC.
• Last sexually dangerousness evaluation July 2, 2026.
• Paid ~$340k (FY 2024) and ~$300k (FY 2025) by CPCS.
• Longstanding relationship with Attorney Reddington.

Professional Scope

• Clinical psychologist; not prescriber.
• Not forensic psychiatrist.
• Familiar with ABA and APA forensic guidelines.
• Agrees evaluators must be impartial.

Case Timeline

• Involved since Feb 4, 2023.
• Multiple reports: July 2025 update; June 2026 evaluation.
• July 2025: medication‑stabilized; hoped transfer to Worcester Recovery; still at Tewksbury now.

Evaluation Hours

• ~45 hours of meetings; ~37 hours evaluation; ~60 total meetings.

February 4, 2023 — Initial Visit

• Visited her in ICU at Brigham & Women’s.
• She had been extubated Jan 28.
• She communicated verbally.
• Provided husband’s phone number from memory.
• Left voicemail expressing love.

February 6 — Second Call

• She did not ask about children.
• Expert unaware she changed health care proxy.

Post‑Incident Voices

• Expert states she has not heard voices since 2023.

Auditory Hallucination Record Gaps

• She did not report voices to providers Sept 2022–Jan 23, 2023.
• She told expert she heard a male voice only on Jan 24, 2023.
• Prior intrusive thoughts: no identified voice.

Medication Clarifications

• Klonopin last taken Nov 27, 2022 per journal.
• Expert confabulated Trazodone vs. Zoloft.
• Nursing‑school meds: Prozac, Wellbutrin, Propranolol.

December 15 vs. December 20

• Dec 15: Mass General ER.
• Dec 20: Women & Infants program.

Record Review

• Expert skimmed 7,001 pages of Tewksbury records; not all read.

Tewksbury Hospital Observations (2023–2026)

• Commonwealth reads multiple entries: wheelchair use, phone use, visits with parents, ADLs, groups, no SIB.
• Expert does not dispute accuracy.

Confirmation Bias Discussion

• Expert acknowledges risk.
• Must avoid clinging to early diagnoses.

Therapeutic vs. Forensic Role Conflict

• APA warns against dual roles.
• Expert wrote letter referring to defendant as “my patient.”
• Expert appeared at arraignments with defense.
• Expert participated in Feb 8, 2023 news conference.

Citation:
“(2:27:00) providing essential clinical findings regarding the transportation of my patient, Lindsay Clancy.”
“(2:29:04) Yes… I participated in a news conference.”

C. DEFENSE REDIRECT (PART 3)

• Expert states he spent 35 hours evaluating only one other defendant.
• Only one other defendant he “cared deeply for.”
• No other press conferences.
• Suicide ideation (SI) at Tewksbury requires constant one‑to‑one monitoring.
• Expert visits lockup during trial to ensure competence and stability.
• She has made no self‑harm attempts since Jan 24, 2023.

D. COMMONWEALTH CROSS — FINAL QUESTIONS (PART 3)

• Confirms no self‑harm attempts in three years.
• No further questions.

E. COURT ADMINISTRATIVE — MIDDAY RECESS

• Jury excused until 2:00 p.m.
• Court addresses witness scheduling.

F. VOIR DIRE — EMILY THORNDIKE (PART 4)

Start: 3:34:36
Called by: Defense
Examination Type: Voir Dire

Background

• Licensed independent clinical social worker.
• Owns Wise Mind Therapy Practice (virtual).
• Former McLean Hospital employee (2014–2021).
• Worked as mental health specialist and later social worker.
• Familiar with STU (short‑term unit) North and South.

McLean STU Operations

• STU staffing: mental health specialists and nurses; ratios consistent over years.
• DMH regulations govern staffing and safety.
• Social workers typically Monday–Friday; none on Jan 1–2, 2023.

Viewing Trial Prior to Sequestration

• Watched livestream until instructed to stop.
• Saw Patrick Clancy’s testimony.

TikTok Video

• She posted emotional TikTok reacting to perceived misleading portrayal of STU services.
• Clarified:
– Weekend/holiday doctor visits brief (1 minute).
– One doctor covers entire unit.
– No individual therapy on weekends/holidays.
– Groups include coloring, clay (“model magic”), music and mandalas.
• Felt testimony overstated available care.

Defense Contact

• Private investigator contacted her after TikTok.
• She agreed to speak with judge.

Staffing Consistency

• No significant change between her 2021 departure and defendant’s 2022 admission.

Commonwealth Voir Dire

• Confirms she watched trial until sequestered.
• Confirms she did not review nurse/patient interaction records.
• Confirms she cannot speak to specific content of Lindsay’s interactions.

IV. EXHIBITS (ADMITTED / REFERENCED)

• Google search records.
• Text messages between Lindsay and husband.
• Psychological test references (MMSE, HARE).
• July 2025 and June 2026 expert reports.
• Tewksbury Hospital record excerpts (2023–2026).
• Expert’s November 13, 2025 letter.
• Video clip of Feb 8, 2023 news conference.
• McLean staffing records.
• Wish Vase (Hawaii honeymoon item).

V. END‑OF‑DAY ADMINISTRATIVE

• Jury excused.
• Court prepares next witness.
• Day 16 concludes.

📜TRANSCRIPT⌨️📑

https://fromsmash.com/MA-v-Lindsay-Clancy-Day-16-0902

u/Pixiegirls1102 — 1 day ago

MA vs. Lindsay Clancy (Confirmation Bias)

The CW this morning is really trying to imply that Dr. Zeizel has some sort of confirmation bias towards LC. Can anyone with background experience in law or psychology talk more about that? I feel like someone with his level of experience wouldn’t get to where he is especially if he was known to have confirmation bias. Do they really think he would jeopardize his career for something like that? They also seem to make a big deal about him caring about LC but he has said he develops a level of care with all the people he’s worked with. Can he really be faulted for caring and being passionate about his work?

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u/Consistent-Sleep3297 — 23 hours ago

MN V Derek Chauvin - Petition to vacate state murder conviction in death of George Floyd

Derek Chauvin files petition to vacate state murder conviction in death of George Floyd

By 

Riley Moser

Updated on: August 18, 2026 / 10:37 PM CDT / CBS Minnesota

Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin is once again seeking to overturn his state murder conviction in the 2020 killing of George Floyd, according to court documents filed Tuesday.

Chauvin is looking to have his conviction vacated and the charges dismissed.

In the petition, Chauvin's legal team is requesting a court order declaring that the assignment of authority of the case to Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison was "illegitimate" and a violation of his due process rights. Additionally, they're asking for a court order declaring that the failure of the Hennepin County District Court to convene a grand jury before any charging decision and the failure of prosecutors to secure an indictment also violated Chauvin's due process rights.

WCCO has reached out to the Minnesota Attorney General's Office for comment.

Chauvin has been in federal prison since 2021 and is simultaneously serving a 21-year federal sentence for violating Floyd's civil rights and a 22 1/2-year state sentence for second-degree murder. Chauvin has been serving out the concurrent sentences in a federal prison in Big Spring, Texas. 

Floyd, who was Black, died on May 25, 2020, after Chauvin, who is White, used his knee to pin Floyd's neck to the ground for nine and a half minutes. The killing, captured on bystander video, sparked protests in 2020 as part of a worldwide reckoning over racial injustice.

In 2022, Chauvin appealed his conviction to the Minnesota Court of Appeals, claiming the jury had been "intimidated by excessive pre-trial publicity." A three-judge panel affirmed the conviction in a 50-page decision. The Minnesota Supreme Court declined to review the case. Chauvin's lawyers also asked the U.S. Supreme Court to review his conviction, but it too declined.

This is the third time Chauvin's counsel has filed for postconviction relief. The first petition was dismissed in late 2025 and the second one was dismissed in May.

u/ifellicantgetup — 17 hours ago

TX v. Karmelo Anthony - Anthony's new attorneys have filed motions for a new judge and a new trial. A South Texas judge will preside over today's hearing over whether Judge Roach should be recused from future proceedings. Reported by J.D. Miles, CBS News Dallas/Ft. Worth

u/Purple-Teaching8994 — 1 day ago

State v Lindsay Clancy: Defense vs prosecution witnesses

I’ve heard a lot of what I’m presuming to be rumours, that Patrick Clancy is going to be testifying again for defense, is this true? Can a key witness for prosecution also be a key witness for defense, would the judge even allow that, or would it be a case of “at judges
Discretion” sorry if this has already been spoken about I’m just catching up on yesterday’s absolute shit show of a day from prosecution!

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u/Emergency-Slice1829 — 1 day ago

MI V. Mosteller (5 year old hyperbaric chamber death)

Oxford Center Safety Director pleads no contest to involuntary manslaughter charge

August 18, 2026

By Sarah Wright

TROY — Late last month, Oxford Center Safety Director Jeffrey Mosteller pled no contest to one count of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the death of 5-year-old Thomas Cooper due to a hyperbaric chamber explosion.

The incident occurred Jan. 31 while Cooper was undergoing treatment in the chamber, which is prescribed for children and adults with a variety of health conditions, including autism, ADHD and autoimmune diseases. The hyperbaric chamber caught fire from within and exploded.

Following Cooper’s death, prosecutors considered charges of either second-degree murder or involuntary manslaughter against Mosteller, as well as Tamela Peterson — the owner of the Oxford Center — and Gary Marken, its primary management assistant. 

In addition, the chamber’s operator, Aleta Moffitt, was charged with one count of involuntary manslaughter and one count of intentionally placing false information on a medical records chart. 

Per the plea and sentencing agreement submitted to the 6th Circuit Court, Mosteller will be sentenced in the range of 19 months to 15 years in prison. He is scheduled to be sentenced by Judge Kwamé Rowe on Aug. 31. Mosteller’s attorney, Alona Sharon, was reached for comment but did not respond by press time.

Marken is next scheduled to appear before the court Sept. 1 for a pretrial hearing, while Peterson’s case is currently stayed by order of the court with her next appearance not yet scheduled. She was recently arraigned in Howell’s 53rd District Court on nine counts of health care fraud — false claim, following allegations that she knew of and benefitted from fraudulent practices such as billing for services not provided. 

As for the hyperbaric chamber explosion, a statement by the Michigan Attorney General’s Office noted there are strict safety protocols in place that must be followed prior to the operation of the machine, established by both the manufacturer and the National Fire Protection Association. 

Dana Nessel, the attorney general, said those protocols were ignored by Mosteller.

“A young child lost his life in a completely preventable tragedy because this defendant allowed an outdated device to operate in defiance of safety standards,” Nessel said in a statement. “While no outcome can reverse this loss, it is my hope that this conviction provides a sense of justice to Thomas’s family.”

https://www.candgnews.com/articles/police-courts-fire/oxford-center-safety-director-pleads-no-contest-to-involuntary-manslaughter-charge/

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The article states:

&gt;>which is prescribed for children and adults with a variety of health conditions, including autism, ADHD and autoimmune diseases<<

This is not correct, hyperbaric chambers are NOT prescribed for autism, ADHD, or autoimmune disorders. This facility was doing it for these conditions but in those cases, it is snake oil sales. This company was gouging people. Hyperbaric chambers do not assist with those particular disorders. It's a great treatment for some disorders, but not those. It's similar to treating mental retardation with oxygen, it just isn't going to help.

The last article I posted on this person, it did not say what the plea deal was, this article does tell us it is 19 months to 15 years.

This case is so outragious and greedy, I hope all 4 people get the maximum possible sentences.

u/ifellicantgetup — 1 day ago

Clancy case: mechanism of Lindsay Clancy’s injuries described

So it looks like she went out of the window head first, with her face towards the house, resulting in the spinal fractures. The resulting flexion and compression of her neck caused the oedema to the thyroid at the front.

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u/Sea_Midnight1411 — 1 day ago

Day 13 AP livestream

Does anyone know who Kevin Reddington spoke to in the gallery right before the jury was brought in for Day 13. I’m behind in watching but didn’t recognize who these people were. He leaned over to speak with the woman with white hair and the men next to her leaned in to listen.

u/linder22455 — 1 day ago

Yesterday’s Testimony - Commonwealth vs. Lindsay Clancy

So sorry if this was already posted and I missed it, but during the testimony of Lindsay’s mom yesterday I noticed that she kept using language like lindsay didn’t want to sleep alone, lindsay didn’t want to be alone, etc.

… where… was her husband??

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u/costcohawtdawgs — 2 days ago

Question about PPD I’ve had while watching the MA V Lindsay Clancy trial.

I’m not a mother so the world of PPD is a foreign to me, but I really feel for mothers who struggle. It sounds horrific to be trying to juggle with so much scrutiny and pressure to feel you must reach out, but also that doing so might risk people branding you unfit. Just awful.

My question, arising from testimony of the drs in this trial, is general for any mums who have been there, or any experts in this field— do drs ever prescribe hormonal treatments for this? All I’ve heard this trial is a billion drug names, no mention of hormonal treatments, but surely hormones play a role? Did no one help Lindsay in that way because it’s just not a pathway used? Or is it, but they failed her specifically by not prescribing it?

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u/_Jay-Garage-A-Roo_ — 2 days ago

MASS V. CLANCY: trying to understand objections during the defense’s witness testimonies

My apologies if this is a stupid question and if my court jargon isn’t correct…

Im obviously watching the Clancy trial and I’m wondering why the CW is having so many objections sustained against Defense when defense gets close to a truth that helps Clancy’s case? I mean obviously the CW won’t want those answers to be on the record, but it feels excessive and also… why are the objections being allowed? Like what rule is Defense Breaking in the way he’s asking these questions?

Sorry again if I sound so stupid lol. Just trying to watch this with as must education as I can

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u/porchsitter29 — 1 day ago

Dodgeball Assault Mom Round 2 - Comments, More Info

If you missed the original post with news story and video that post is here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CasesWeFollow/comments/1vq6bro/az_v_minor_13_yo_boy_for_assault_w_dodgeball/

New in the comments the mother left:

  1. The girl was sufficiently injured the day OF and visited the school nurse.
  2. There was video reviewed by the school - the video was overwritten, before police could procure it
  3. This girl was in fact, admitted/hospitalized from the E/R.
  4. This mother is getting a fair amount of pushback, I’ve included her much longer comment she left that I didn't see yesterday. Plus various other comments and her further comments scattered through responding to people.
  5. Clearly, the final comment about advising avoiding media etc - that commenter did not put it together in her head that this Dodgeball/Dodge Responsibility Mother is the SOLE REASON this is even in the news or her 13 year old kid’s name, face, is on the internet and he did the media interview.

Prediction: if we never hear another word, then we will know her precious loving boy ended up convicted of his Misdemeanor Assault charge at his trial by the Judge.

u/Honest_Camel3035 — 3 days ago

NY v. Luigi Mangione: State trial postponed indefinitely amid double jeopardy fight

What a smart move by his defense team. Next hearing Dec. 10 before federal sentencing on Dec. 18.

Luigi Mangione’s state murder trial postponed indefinitely amid double jeopardy fight

NEW YORK (AP) — Luigi Mangione’s state murder trial in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, which was slated to begin Sept. 8, has been postponed indefinitely as his lawyers seek to have the case thrown out on double jeopardy grounds following his guilty plea last week to federal charges.

Judge Gregory Carro issued an order Monday canceling the trial and giving the Manhattan District Attorney’s office, which is prosecuting the state case, until Oct. 9 to respond to the defense’s double jeopardy claims. A hearing will be held on Dec. 10, Carro said, about a week before Mangione is scheduled to be sentenced in the federal case.

Mangione, 28, pleaded guilty Friday in Manhattan federal court to a pair of stalking charges and admitted trailing Thompson to UnitedHealth Group’s investor conference and gunning him down outside a Manhattan hotel in 2024. Federal prosecutors said they would seek life in prison when Mangione is sentenced Dec. 18, though federal sentencing guidelines call for a term of 24 to 30 years.

“On the morning of Dec. 4, 2024, I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan, and he died,” Mangione said.

Immediately after his plea, Mangione’s lawyers filed paperwork seeking to have the state case thrown out on double jeopardy and due process grounds. They described him as a “pawn in parallel prosecutions” and accused state and federal prosecutors of “trying to punish him twice for the exact conduct.”

Mangione has pleaded not guilty in the state case, which also carries the possibility of a life sentence.

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s office said in a statement that it would fight efforts to end the state case, in part because Mangione’s federal sentence isn’t yet known.

Compared with federal law and that of other states, New York has uncommonly strong protections for defendants facing multiple prosecutions. A state prosecution can be barred if a federal case involving the same course of conduct or criminal transaction ends in a guilty plea or if a jury is sworn.

It will be up to Carro to decide if that applies to Mangione. However Carro rules, his decision will be subject to appeal.

“The full range of conduct that comprises the stalking offense is coterminous with the conduct committed as part of the murder offense,” Mangione’s lawyers wrote in their double jeopardy filing.

That Mangione traveled from out of state “to be at the crime scene at the time of the shooting does nothing to eliminate the stalking of Mr. Thompson from the acts constituting his murder,” they added. “They are all part of the same criminal incident or criminal transaction.”

Bragg’s office contends that the state charges, including murder and firearms offenses, involve different legal elements and criminal conduct. In a letter last month, Assistant District Attorney Joel Seidemann objected to the possibility of a federal guilty plea wiping out the state case.

Any guilty plea, Seidemann wrote, “must account for the seriousness of defendant’s offenses” and for the state’s interests in prosecuting Mangione, “including the sanctity of life principle that underpins the state homicide charges.”

Mangione pleaded guilty to federal charges that accused him of traveling across state lines by bus to stalk and kill Thompson. The charges alleged that he used a cellphone, the internet, interstate highways and a hostel serving out-of-state customers to plan and carry out the attack.

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u/racingfan123 — 1 day ago