I understood pretty much everything till episode 9. But am confused abt Episode 10.
Can someone actually explain what I should know for now and what I shouldn't going into S2
Also both of my theories from my post came true hehe.
I binged the show and finished it tonight. I’m not an avid tv show watcher, but got hooked. Time travel stories are hard to pull off and they did a really good job. I loved the ending but maybe I missed a couple of minor things.
Who really was Alexander before he came to Winden and why was he there?
Why was Martha’s scar on the opposite side of her face in the last episode?
Who was the guy that Claudia spoke with in front of Regina’s apocalyptic gravesite who said he had wished to be her father?
What was the whole point of the room with the electric chair? Early trials of time travel? Why did Noah bring the first missing kid (Erik?) to that room if by 2020 they would have had other means of time travel more advanced than that?
Thank you!!
I’ve been trying to get her to watch Dark for years, but since the pandemic, she's had a hard time concentrating on shows that need...well...concentration. But after constantly referencing it, I finally broke her down. She had nothing to do this weekend so she decided to start it. She started texting me things about the show and I made her promise to at least pause the show if she was going to text me, and she did promise that she'd fully pay attention. (I also gave her the website so she could keep track of characters.)
We were just on the phone for about an hour so she can tell me all her speculations and theories, genuinely excited, after only about 6 episodes. And I had to bite my tongue most of the time and just let her talk.
She's very smart and likes to find themes and motifs. One thing she pointed out, which never occurred to me was a non-spoilery motif - which is the use of lipstick on the show: putting it on, smearing it off, even Elizabeth's theft of it from Franziska. It doesn't necessarily mean anything significant, but it's still a cool thing to notice. I look forward to more of that from her.
Yay!
When I was watching season 1 I loved it, the plot, the excitement, Cinematic view, it was all fresh to me. Even tho I didn't like season 2 as season 1 I still enjoyed it. But I noticed that they couldn't keep up the thing that they had in s1 and it was slowly getting away. By the time I was watching season 3 aw god I hated it, I completely loosed the interest of the series. I was watching almost the same thing I watched in s1 for 5-6 episodes, it felt like I was watching 6 hours of fillers. also I felt like the series also got so much sci-fi, more than it should. I think it's overrated.
Anyway I finished the series and this is just my opinion. I respect others. Just wanted to share it with you guys.
Most of what the characters do once they start time travelling doesn’t really make sense from their perspective. The best you get is that they’ve seen it happen that way (or been told it happens that way) and they want to make the future happen.
But this is a fully general excuse. You can use it to justify literally anything. Want a character to kidnap some kids, kill their sibling, kill their parent, whatever else? Well you write down that they did it and then their motivation becomes “because they did it”.
An example of characters doing things that make sense to them is Ulrich when he attacks young Helge, or Katerina trying to steal the key card. Contrast that with all the shit Noah does. He’s just following this book. He has no actual reason, he’s literally doing whatever it is he has to do to make the plot happen.
It doesn’t even make sense that you could tell someone “you have to do all this to make the past happen”. The past did happen! You can’t change it if you tried! Okay according to the events of the show the characters _do_ get convinced of this, but I find that impossible to empathise with.
The events of the show are a causal loop. Fine. But the show basically gave up trying to write a loop that has any sort of internal logic. It’s just a bunch of stuff that happens because it happens, done by people who do it because they did it.
I have not watched this show yet. I have been spoiled on the fact that the show involves time travel watching a review of another show and they just say can this show pull it off like Dark did. I'm curious how bad this is. Does this get revealed fairly early and it's probably fine to watch the show anyway, or is it like the final reveal and pretty bad? Is it otherwise good?
Hiii! A few days ago I made a post saying I was thinking about giving up on the show and asked whether it was worth watching the last five episodes or not . Well... I just finished the finale...😭 I cried so much! It was absolutely perfect. At the beginning of Season 3 I was honestly frustrated and convinced the show had become way too repetitive. I kept questioning everything and thought it was going off the rails. But somehow, the ending managed to tie everything together in a way I never expected! Looking back, every confusing moment, every headache, every "what the hell is happening?" moment was completely worth it. I don't think I've ever watched a show that rewarded my patience like this. Dark officially became one of my favorite TV shows of all time.
(PS: After 3 seasons Hannah is still one of the characters I hate the most sorry not sorry)
It may be (I hope) is explained by the end of the series OR I may have missed sometging:
In S03E05 Young Jonas (saved from Adam's reality by Martha) gets killed by one version of Young Matha (from Eva's reality). If there is only one Jonas (because he exists only in Adam's reality) and gets killed as a teenager, where do the older versions of Jonas come from?
The Adam version we see in S03 is an even older Adam version of Adam's reality, isn't it? (Or wtf)
7 years later, S2E6 (An Endless Cycle) is still one of the best episodes I have ever watched on all of TV.
Entire episode gives such a strong melancholic and comfort feeling, especially the lake scene and Jonas meeting Mikkel again and telling him the truth are one of the best moments of TV.
This episode scratches a itch for me, which has only been matched by handful of other TV series' episodes.
This episode cemented DARK as one of the greatest TV shows for me and the feeling is still the same after so many years.
So me and my partner just finished season 3 yesterday. Loved the show even though we thought it became a bit too confusing and tangled in the last season. The last episode wrapped everything up really nicely though; great finale!
There was just one point that was never explained in the final episode that left me wondering how it could‘ve worked:
After Claudia tells Adam he needs to go back to Jonas after Martha died during the apocalypse to guide his path into the third/real world - how could Adam do it?
How could he go back to that specific point in time to Jonas even though he just destroyed Martha & the dark blob? I thought the blob would be the only possible option to travel to a specific time and that‘s gone now. His only other option would be the machine from Tannhaus ig, but that would put him back waaay behind the moment he intends to go to.
I've seen explanations about Noah arriving in 1920, but I'm still confused about the actual mechanics of these trips.
In S3E7, Middle aged Noah comes back from the future and ends up in 1920s, where he meets his younger self and stays at the inn. By that point, the passage is gone and portal is also still not working. How did he travel from 2042 to 1920s.
Similarly, Charlotte and Elizabeth arrive to take baby Charlotte from 2053 to 2042 and later leave her with Tannhaus in 1970. Adam gave them the golden sphere to reach that moment, but after arriving, what did they use to continue to 1970? Did they keep the sphere, use another device or is there some off-screen explanation?
Am I overlooking a detail, or is this one of those events that's intentionally left unexplained
First all Idk what took me soo long to start this show I thiight it would be something like toege overhyped shows like stranger things but it's sooooo good and amazing. It's a bit frustrating sometimes because alot of things are happening but at the same time nothing's happening idk
I'll just start with the theories straight away. Also if you question or add to the theories please make it with respect to the first season only. I have no idea what's gonna happen in season 2 and 3 like literally zero idea so please don't spoil anything for me.
Noah is bartoaz. Mostly because why would he want bartoaz to join him who is in school and trust him. But if it's indeed the case then I feel like it can be repetitive like how the strange man turned out to be jonas (which I predicted mostly because they look similar, the casting was perfect) but Noah and bartoaz do look a bit alike.
Michael originally mikkel decided to end his life after finding out that ulrich was sleeping with hanaah (if they were). I think they will show scenes where mikkel tried to reach out to his family and tell them the truth. Everything would be sooo sick him watching his parents grwo up get married have his sibling then him. I think the affair would be the last straw for him and he decides to kill himself.
Also how did jonas know about his mom's affair?
Noah will save helge and take him back to 1953 and this is why helge later on decides to team up with Noah and do the whole chamber thing. Cause I don't think so anybody will do the kidnapping and stuff just because someone told them they were the "chosen ones" I think he did it because he owes it to Noah or something
tonte's mom (ulrich's grandmother) and helge's run away together. Idk I just feel it.
That's it these are just minutes nothing huge.
Adam was lying to himself when he said he had finally become detached from emotion and let go. He never got over it imo, even when he was killing Martha himself. Adam’s emotions are what drove him the whole time, to the point of extreme selfishness. We see him crying when he sends Jonas back to cause his Dad’s suicide, when he’s killing Martha the second time, before killing Hannah. He spent his whole life fighting what deep down he knew was an inevitable future and suffered through so much nearly any human mind would snap. Eventually he stopped fighting his inevitable destiny and decided to embrace it, thinking the only way to end the cycle of unending pain torment and death for him and everyone around him is to end existence itself, something he considers a curse.
Found his Dad’s body when he hung himself, found out his dad was actually his love interest brother and she was his aunt, his grandfather was cucking his father, he’s kidnapped and his older self lets him be stranded in a post apocalyptic future where everyone he knows is dead, his older self turns out to be a cult leader child murderer, his older self manipulates him into causing his dad’s suicide, purposefully traps his dad in the past, his older self murders Martha right in front of him as part of his plan to end existence, tries multiple times to kill himself but time physically won’t allow it, his mentor manipulates him into creating the loop when trying to destroy it, he gets a letter from “Martha“ saying allowing her to be murdered is the only thing that can save her which he does, only it’s all a trick, he’s stranded in the 1800’s, suffers horrific burns when trying to escape.
In my opinion the human mind can only take so much. Jonas tried so desperately most of his life to fight being Adam but being Adam was inherently predestined. At a certain point he realized escaping the loop was impossible, the only thing he could do is destroy it. Now where his selfishness and lying to himself begins is that he and his loved ones may have fates far worse than death, but that’s not justification for choosing to end the existence of billions on both worlds. Rather Jonas realizes that every step of his life in trying to fight Adam that he has tightened the knot more and more, and eventually realized becoming Adam was inevitable.
So instead of fighting it any longer, he decided to embrace it, and due to projecting the pain of his existence and the existence of his loved ones on everybody else, and realized either it was destroying reality or the loop is inevitable, chose to try and destroy reality itself. That’s where Jonas went wrong imo, but he was a victim of time itself, he had no chance to be anything else. At a certain point Jonas went from trying to break the loop to maintaining it. Jonas does genuinely think he‘s doing what’s best for everyone because he thinks existence is a curse, and it is for him and his loved ones, but he suffers from motivated reasoning and projects his pain and unending hell onto everyone else.
Jonas does this because it’s the only way he can delude himself into thinking his destiny isn’t to become a monster, if his older self who butchers children causes the apocalypse starts a death cult, causes his father’s death, and murders his love isn’t evil, but is suffering because it’s necessary to save everyone from suffering. Rather every horrific thing he has done and is destined to do will be erased, and ending the loop and thus everyone‘s existence is him doing what’s necessary to end suffering rather than being twisted by his pain. That’s why he actively braces maintaining the loop, because he accepts it’s inevitable anyways but this way he feels he has agency and isn’t a monster, his suffering isn’t for nothing, and everything he’s destined to do will be undone.
Adam claims to be detached from emotion but there’s a reason the show explicitly presented the opposite, Jonas is lying to himself about his motivations. I think Jonas held out longer than most people would in his shoes personally, but his actions are still selfish albeit extremely sympathetic. I disagree with the interpretations that Adam was never a villain, he wants to kill everyone in existence because he’s deluding himself and projecting his own pain onto others. Yet he should be viewed primarily a victim of circumstance and time, as he starts out a genuinely good person and only becomes this because he quite literally has no choice or agency in becoming Adam. That’s why, when finally being given an option to make things right, he jumps on it.
