The Lizardttore agenda has spread so I am sharing my shitty MS Paint graphic which is driving me into insanity 🧘♀️🧘♀️🧘♀️🧘♀️ if you guys have more info to support the lizard theory leave it below i will add it to the graphic and update as it goes
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The difference in how they come back is so funny and interesting to me 😭😭
Capitano got the whole Jesus resurrection going on meanwhile Dottore fans just go: lizard.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A HATE POST. I LOVE BOTH DEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY THERE IS MUCH MORE THAN JUST THE LIZARD!!! It's just funny, that's all 😭
WHAT do you mean this guy showed up on Thoth's arm AND when Mavuika gave the gnosis to the Traveler and Nahida (saying Dottore couldn't track them).
I swear if this absolute madman put his consciousness into a suspiciously Dottore coloured lizard... I'm about to lose it.
They keep specifically pointing to it too! What is this stupid lizard doing on the border between Natlan and Sumeru. WHY is it in Deshret's Mausoleum. What.
Hey so, I haven't done the quest yet, I have to wait a few more days but I've seen stills from his segments' cutscene.
We got to see his different segments' designs but then I got confused about which one was which.
This is what I've seen assigned the most for their design and age, and it got me to question... Which one is boattore...?
Back in the first Sumerus quests, we know that there were two segments present, Omega and Boattore, and they both have the same appearance. Did Lazzottore drop the coat and go as Boattore back then? He's the only one with a similar look.... Are they the same or are we still missing segments (though I doubt it)
(By the way, do you think the one with glasses is 25 or 45? I've seen both ages assigned to him. I'd imagine him being 25 personally, because he doesn't have a mask and I like to think Dottore just stopped giving them full faces over the time because of the materials and cost, and his hair is shorter yet we see the 65 one still having this strand of hair on the side, which I assume he started growing between 25 and 35...)
This post isn’t for dooming. I specifically want to focus on a more positive perspective. Was anyone else relatively satisfied?
I haven’t finished the entire quest but I stopped after >!Irminsul burns and we get our goodbye scene!<.
Granted, some parts of the quest as a whole were a bit of a slog. I think we could have parsed down the participating cast a smidge and it still would have worked.
I’m okay with how everything turned out. But I’m also not of the opinion he was going to be playable without a lot of build-up and ahead of Snez, when we consider his Harbinger rank, among other things.
Maybe it’s just me having distance from the game, being too busy offline, whatever, but I like what we got. A lot of the beats were necessary for the rest of his arc (no, it’s not over, it’s obvious) and I’m okay with how it was executed.
Personally I have 5 reasons to hope
1:Us making an innocent clone in 7.x makes sense because cryo is preservation.
2:we were handed that 4 star item for his memories
3:they hinted at it with him and Pantalone
4:harbingers only become playable during the months of their rank which puts Dottore in 7.4
5:who’s gonna be the yaoi for 7.x? Gotta be Dottore and Regrator
After listening to all the archon quest carefully and reviewing it I have come up with a theory regarding Dottore's " new world" . I believe it was Dottore's primary goal to go into irminsul and experiment with irminusl making a new world . And what exactly is the new world? I have a theory .
Dottore mentions how to create his segments Zandik had to split a portion of his soul .
He also mentions he finds no way to reduce the amount of soul required to sustain an individual . This is where my theory lies . This must be a minimum soul requirement a fundamental law of the "existing world" Dottorre cannot bypass . Therefore by creating a "new world " with different set of rules than the existing one , he can change the minimun soul requirement to sustain an individual . And if he does that even the tiniest amount of soul could perhaps sustain an individual and another Segment of Dottore could be recreated . I believe it is quite likely he has created a backup body already as he referred to it being easy .
Capitano also said that there is no rule of this world that cannot be overtuned . Dottore and Pantalone want to create a new world with different set of rules . We have seen rules overtuned in teyvat ( rule of death removed for khaenrians , a rule enforcing death as the price of Ronova's powers,etc .)
So there is a high chance that if Dottore succeeded to plant this new world he might return if this world is actualy realized . Also by the talk of it it seemed this new world occupies a defined space as Dottore said he will build it inside the existing one and pantalone said he would plant it outside his office .
What do you think of this theory?
Awful story direction that portrays Dottore as an insignificant villain loser in 6.6 ruined the game for me. I won’t be playing the AQ until the aftermath is shown in the future, ain’t no way he meets a bland ass death in my game. This knock off has been with me ever since miliastra world dropped.
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His fate and destiny were cursed from birth. He was born with the name "Zandik" which means heretic in Middle Persian. No matter what he did and how, his actions were always seen as hostile and bad.
Zandik actually did try to use his genius intellect to treat and help people suffering from illnesses. However, because his analytical methods were completely unorthodox and broke rigid societal taboos, his attempts to help were met with fear, disgust, and hostility. That's why he was treated as an outcast and a monster by his own home village. He was eventually chased out of his hometown with pitchforks and clubs.
When an 8 year old child is entirely rejected by society, viewed as inherently evil, and given zero emotional or societal support, the psychological defense mechanism is often to completely turn off empathy. He stopped caring about others because the world explicitly showed him that it did not care about him. He was just a child... 8 years old baby, who couldn't win against his destiny/fate. It's like a tragic story of Oedipus the King who's fate is completely subordinated to inevitable destiny. Every attempt to escape the prophecy paradoxically leads to its fulfillment even tho Oedipus wanted to do good, guided by noble principles. So, even if Zandik tried to do good, his methods were seen as something bad just because of his cursed, heretic fate.
Losing his compassion at age 8 marks the exact moment he realized that trying to heal people "traditionally" or empathetically was a dead end. He completely detached his emotions from his work, pivoting toward cold, clinical, and transactional egoism. He lost his compassion as a result of unimaginable trauma.
This age (8 years old) is incredibly significant because when Dottore made his segments, Segment 8 was the youngest batch he created. Segment 8 exists as a physical manifestation of the point where his humanity died and his detached, purely scientific mind took total control. That's literally a manifestation of his trauma.
Because fate shattered his life from birth, it sparked a deep rebellion in him against destiny, fate, the gods, and the world's entire order. A reaction that is truly understandable given his circumstances. His segments were him, more or less so Omega was the segment who, out of all the segments, was the version of Zandik most bitter at the world. Selfish, egotistical, he embodied Zandik's absolute worst traits. That is why he wanted to stop and destroy the way the system of fate operates in the world (Irminsul etc). His actions made sense - after all, what could a newborn baby possibly do to deserve the cursed fate of a heretic? Why does destiny randomly select people to bear one fate over another?
Like, this is beyond sad and tragic. And I understand why people hate on Dottore, but he's not a villain who's born evil or a type of "I do evil things because I'm evil hehe!" villain. He was doomed since the birth because the fate of Teyvat is unfair and stupid. He wanted to change that, not only for himself. He was the one to finally see that the fate of this world blindly decides who is blessed and who is cursed. He actually... made the world better now. He corrupted the Irminsul and Nahida needed to burn it. He achieved his goal. But at what cost...
So it says the "remainder" of the soul was split into 2. With one half in NodKrai and other in the bank. If it was the "remainder" then that means there are 3 parts..? Where is the third part?
I started it and immediately stopped.. because i just couldn't stop thinking about everything.
Another heart breaking thing is that–how his segments waited and watched him die while zandik was asking for help 💔 I hate that it is so in character for his segments but I feel so fucking bad for zandik...
I love you zandik.
My honest final opinion about dottore, the fatui and story in general
Yes I know it's a gacha game and it's waifu centered to a degree, they need to make their money and make things acceptable for people under 18.
But still I had hope... But now I'm completely crushed and I really want to talk about genshin in term of story.
I played 5 years for the plot, especially for the fatui, I liked the concept and I enjoyed every little tiny lore and fact we had about them in the artifacts lore and world quests and Childe voice lines, they were mysterious they had interesting concept.... But !!!!
I believe they started rewriting, chicken out, ignore and change everything about the fatui since Fontaine
I know people started complaining since wanderer release... But oh my god I feel scammed!!!! What is this, these are not the harbingers they teased at the start of the game
Dottore, the only harbinger I had hope for, The deepest character with high potential, the only mortal who truly questioned the truth of this world, got insane power just to wait like an idiot for the travel to gain power of friendship and kill him twice!!!!
Nod krai was the last straw for me, they just used dottore as escape goat for every little bad thing, made him the ultimate useless villain who was only there to be evil, killed him, release poor victim innocent harbinger waifus.
I wanted him to be a villain! I liked him as a villain, I rather have him as great villain with insane story instead of being playable with unjustified redemption
But guess what!!!! we had nether..... none playable and unsatisfying ending just to redeem the waifus and make kids who plays the game happy
I hate this game
I just want someone to write a fanfic and fix this story, someone please save these characters, Give me the harbingers I was promised...
This honestly brightened up my whole week🥹🥹
I just realized that when you invert Datattore, he looks similar to the escaped Escher from the Temple of Space 😳😳😳 am I really the first one who noticed?
If you see weird names, it's just translation issues. It's always Dottore or Pantalone/Feofan
Many say they feel sad and regretful, pity even. 'If you feel sad, that means he is a good written character, someone said there.
Surprisingly, I didn't say much hate towards Dottore and rather the 'don't tell me he is dead. Like dead dead?'
A few even theorize that the Pyro gnosis being gone has something to do with the doctor or the memory Part Dottore mentioned with Pantalone is some foreshadowing.
Also I haven’t rendered in ages so apologies if this looks bad, just felt like sharing something that could make people feel better maybe 🩵
Posting it here, because I will be quartered in other communities lol, but dear god, I hated all second chapter of questline so badly. Dottore and Pantalone probably got severe back pain for carrying all this mess.
Luna IX chapter was good: the build up, the sense of unknown danger coming, I really love Sumeru character cast, so I was glad to see all familiar faces and again see them at work. That was cool.
And then just something happened and quality of writing dropped and hit rock bottom. Pacing felt both slow as snail and meth fast, banters during work turned into banters instead of work, I constantly wanted Nahida just to shut up with all her wisdom wolf coans. One of the most interesting parts from Sumeru cast side was FUCKING PAIMON and her character growth, at some point I even stopped listening to VAs, I just quickly read dialogue and pressed next. Kaveh and AlHaitham specifically were the ugly parody of themselves with their constant bickering.
I felt like only Dottore and Pantalone scenes were really thought out and everything else were quick last-moment addition and Irminsul scenes felt like all epic action, drama and boom shakalaka were here to distract me from how unbearably stupid is everything that happens right now.
It had so much potential and it is wasted.
I've been seeing almost everyone being (understandably) really upset but after 6.6, I actually have more hope.
They spent so much effort on everything related to him, from lore to design, animations, voice etc.
If they really just wanted to kill him off permanently, they could've done so much earlier and just ignored any backstory writing. But no, instead they introduce even more.
There are already many unresolved questions and now they add things like losing his compassion at age 8 specifically.
Not only that, there's also his idea for revival with Pantalone.
And after so long, we still have no clear picture on his motive. Why was he chased away the first time? Why exactly do he and Pantalone dislike fate so much? Just because they don't like feeling controlled? Or is it something deeper?
Wanderer mentions wanting to investigate Dottore's motives in the end talk with Nahida. Which means there will be more.
I understand that Dottore had to be "cleansed" by fire as his crimes were shown much more upfront and some had more universal impact on Teyvat than other morally questionable playable characters.
They constantly talked about time being able to erase hatred and Dottore mentioned people tend to stick to first impressions, a bit like foreshadowing.
They also mentioned the importance of the number 3 compared to 2, meanwhile his soul was only split into two parts.
They also specifically mentioned he was human and this entire quest was connected to Nicole who is an angel and talks about wanting to help every human. In her trailer they even hint at understanding a demon king's motives. Even if Dottore wasn't meant by this, it would still fit him.
There was also the highlighted importance of bad events compared to good ones. And, of course, the entire fate system being gone now.
Dottore also seems to have wanted the quest's events to happen and Pantalone talks about having planned every single step to a detail.
I think they're playing the long game with him, I mean they have already this entire time.
Still, all in all, I'd say despite points of hope, it's better to be prepared and have alternative things/ sources of entertainment to focus on. I'll wait for Snezhnaya and see what happens then. The idea of reviving someone by transfering memories is nothing new in Hoyoverse and would fit the preservation/ remembrance aspect of Snezhnaya. And in Collei's dream, even though the characters switched their roles, they were still themselves fundamentally (HYV has also mentioned characters staying themselves at other times). Also, they have a tendency to explain every (important) villain's motives or even redeem them (even if people don't like it). They even ended up portraying the Honkai itself in a good light.
Just my opinion, Idk if it all makes sense but hope is there for me.
And there are many more points I could probably mention.
So before 6.6, theory crafters, like catwithbluehat, were talking about the possibility that Moontore opened the false sky so that he could extract forbidden knowledge to use against the Irminsul tree. Correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure forbidden knowledge/ abyss was not used to describe the Irminsul corruption; it was instead described as Moonottore infiltrating Irminsul via death and corrupting it by trying to change fate.
So here is why I think Moontorre actually opened the false sky in 6.3. Dottore's main goal has always been to be free from the world's fate, and the best way to do that is by becoming a Descender. The only Descender that we know of that originated from Teyvat was Nibelung, but he first had to leave Teyvat. Also, in the latest AQ, Datatorre mentions how his soul was split in two, with one being sent to Nod-Krai and the other being locked up in Northland Bank. From the AQ we know that Moontorre and Datatorre are the same soul of Dottore (since Moontore perished to enter the leylines). What if this other soul was then sent through the opened rift to go outside of Teyvat? Alice mentioned how costly it was interms of energy to open a rift like that, so his usurping of the Moon marrows for this purpose would make complete sense.
Finally, Dottore at the end mentions how he is satisfied with the end he got (burning of Irminsul). This could mean that this was his plan all along, to sacrifice the Omega segment so that another part of Dottore could escape Teyvat for the time being, and also destroy one of the core things the HP uses to bind people within their fate.
I was very hopeful at first... Because of this, I thought we might finally have some new Sohreh lore but nope, just hours and hours of NPCs and chars yapping...
There were also what I thought were hints for Dottore's motivations:
- someone buying a weapon in order to maintain peace like the recent event villain.
- a child saying "when I grow up, I want to be an Eremite!"
Which I thought was a callback to Dottore's hinted fondness of eremites.
