u/Talia_Black_Writes

On top of the idea that Marinette might be descended from the original creator of the Miraculous, I think it would be interesting and make a lot of sense if young holders bond better to their Miraculous in the long run and ultimately become much more powerful.

An adult given a miraculous would be able to easily overpower a child, but an adult who has bonded and trained with their Miraculous since they were a teen can achieve much more than the adult with no training ever could.

Throughout Master Fu's travels, he had seen that there were a lot of potential troubles in the world that would need long-term Miraculous holders again, just as there were in the past. With the temple and other Miraculous boxes gone or missing, he would see this as the only way he could even attempt to make up for his grave mistake by training the next era of holders to the best of his ability.

It would also make it so that all of the different powerups and forms that the team gets would be locked out to Hawkmoth and Mayura. It would also explain why despite having access to the Miraculous for years. Gabriel never managed to exert any true mastery over it.

I think it would have also have added an extra layer of intrigue and depth to Gabriel's spiral if after he got the decoded grimoiew in S4, he realized that within a few years the Miraculous holders would significantly overpower him, and even with the secrets of the grimoire and both the peacock and butterfly his defeat was simply an eventuality.

This would also make the idea of Lila as a villain much more frightening than Gabriel as she was still a teen when she got the Butterfly Miraculous

I've already said on this sub a couple of times that it would have been a better idea that after Gabriel's defeat, there should have been a couple more episodes to round out the season, and then the show undergoes a soft reset to lower the stakes. We time jump a few years, most of the class has graduated and split up to pursue their various goals (this would allow for a revolving cast so not only could we get new characters without bloating the cast even more each episode, it would also reduce the current amount of clutter the current cast causes) while also still training on the side and doing small amounts of hero work wherever they ended up. This combined with no sign of the butterfly miraculous (thought Marinette still searching)

Now, imagine Lila has been training with the help of The Kingdom until she is able to master the full scope of what the Butterfly Miraculous is capable of.

The one thing we do know about Lila is that she fully embraces the idea that it's a dog-eat-dog world and the only way to succeed in life is to be the one on top. The Kingdom has shifted its goal from wanting to just obtain the Ladybug and Cat Miraculous to make a wish that services all of their desires (after they figure out the severity of the cost and all of the hangups of the wish) to they want to eventually obtain full control of all of the Miraculous in order to cement their control over the entire world that way. Primarily through exploiting Lila's much more powerful emotional manipulation and whatever other means they can.

This would also fulfill Astruc's desire to do spinoff projects. With the temple back, we now see them attempting to vet potential candidates and distribute more Miraculous boxes. The Shadow Council attempts to manipulate and convert new holders to their side.

I think it would also open up a lot of potential for Adrien to take advantage of his father's resources, wealth and various connections to go on a Batman Arc once he finds out exactly what his father was involved in at my hypothetical end of season 5. With (in his eyes) no one left in the world who will ever be able to understand or help him work through the volume of pain and anguish his father has caused him, he decides to go full-blown vigilante and start tracking down members of The Kingdom with Natalie's help. He leaves a note for Ladybug in their meetup spot, sends a very long text to Nino with news for his classmates, and tells Marinette that he wants to get out of Paris for a while and away from everything so they should break up for the foreseeable future because he sees it in her best interests since he doesn't know when he will be back, essentially trying to sever all ties with his identity as Adrien.

I think it would also serve as a nice parallel to a potential Marinette arc where she is desperately trying to cling to her dreams of what she wanted her life to look like, while her world is rapidly expanding and she is being pressured to mostly give up her life as Marinette entirely, as she is now the de facto leader and model of ALL the Miraculous holders as Chat Noir has gone off the grid and leaving her as the most experienced holder left. She still wants her fashion brand, her future kids, pets, and Adrien (since in her mind, they are on a long break and she doesn't want to move on from him.) but the weight of what Ladybug means to the new world is crushing her.

"There were so many nights at the height of Monarch's reign, where I just wanted to lay down on the ground and never get up. If it wasn't for everything, everyone, that I would lose if I didn't move, I wouldn't."

"Hawkmoth's gone. Paris is safe. There are so many new holders who are ready and eager to help protect the world from whatever we face next. So, why am I still drowning? Why don't I feel any happier?"

Should I just write fanfiction at this point?