r/Ergonomics

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Back pain/discomfort after using new mouse

What does it mean if my upper back (trapezius/rhomboid muscles) hurts after trying a new mouse (RAWM ER21 Pro)? What should I adjust (desk, chair...), or should I simply not use it?

Context: I come from an xtrfy m42 wireless (67g), so there is a huge difference compared to the RAWM ER21 Pro in shape (ergo) and weight (49g).

I was looking for a bigger/different shape mouse because with the m42 my wrist suffered after playing for a long time. But maybe I went too far with this new mouse (EC2 shape). My hand is about 17x9 cm (thumb included).

I suspect the discomfort appears from the sudden 5 mm height increase on the mouse. However, after changing my chair height to different positions the issue didn't go away.

Let me know what do you think. Thanks!

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u/lutogame — 5 hours ago

What's the best office chair for short people that actually fits?

I'm tired of sitting in chairs where my feet barely touch the floor unless I move way too close to the desk lol.

I'm around 5'2" and looking for something mainly for WFH, probably under $400.

Seat depth and adjustable armrests are probably my biggest concerns. Don't really care about flashy features.

Short people who've found a chair that actually fits. what are you using? Anything you'd avoid?

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u/Ill-Bug-256 — 16 hours ago

Back Support for Office Chair

Hello!

I am currently 13 weeks pregnant and I work full-time from home. My back is already starting to hurt from being in my office chair for so many hours in a row. I’m rotating between sitting & standing, but I’m still getting sore by the end of my work day 😭 I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on a specific support pillow I can get for my chair that will help? I was looking on Amazon, but feeling overwhelmed by all of the choices! Thanks so much in advance 😊

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u/shilbyhilby — 17 hours ago
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A chair can be adjusted "correctly" and still feel wrong after two hours

A lot of chair setup advice comes down to the same things: elbows around 90°, feet flat on the floor, knees around 90°.

Those are useful starting points, but they don't always tell you whether the chair actually fits you.

A few checks I find more useful:

• Can you sit all the way back without the front edge of the seat pressing behind your knees?

• Does the lumbar support meet your lower back without pushing you forward?

• Can your forearms rest comfortably without your shoulders lifting?

• Can you recline a little and still keep your feet comfortably supported?

If one of those feels off, the chair can get uncomfortable pretty quickly even if your posture looks "correct."

What other fit checks would you add?

u/Positive_Mud_5296 — 3 days ago

Posture app showed me a problem I didn't know I had..

Tried a posture tracking app for a week and it kinda surprised me.

I thought that it would just point out my poor sitting habits. Turns out that I was doing another thing constantly, adjusting my monitor screen. Moving it closer, tilting it, changing the height and then repeating throughout the day.

I never really saw it as a problem actually because it was a part of my routine. But since then I have been on the search for the desk setup fixes. I have found both manual and robotic monitor arms. One requires some manual labor while the other is intuitive and follows you whenever you move.

It's nice to know that this kind of tech evolution is taking place.

But this makes me wonder if this is a me thing or if everyone else is also adjusting their screen throughout the day?

I mean I want to know if am the problem here

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u/Cautious_Travel1729 — 3 days ago

Saddle chairs for anterior pelvic tilt prevention and posture correction

Hey guys,

I've read that being seated in a conventional seat for extended periods of time can lead to anterior pelvic tilt and consequentially, low back pain and compromised posture.

Somewhat recently starting a career in medical device sales, I've noticed a lot of surgeons and other health care professionals choose to sit in these types of saddle chairs.

I've tried finding some information online about the actual legitimate benefits of these chairs, but haven't come by much.

Does anyone here know of any actual peer reviewed studies that support the use of these chairs and confirms some of the claimed benefits? Or perhaps are there any highly regarded professionals that support the use of them?

Thanks!

u/Suarae — 4 days ago
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Meu computador feito de porta talheres de bambu,ralo,fita adesiva e velcro, a única feramenta necessária é um alicate.

A unidade da CPU pesa 4kg,ela é alimentada por um carregador gan.

Cada módulo tem um powerbank dentro, estou trabalhando para que ele vire um UPS "90%" real, ou seja, para que o powerbank assume em caso de queda de energia.

No futuro talvez troque por um powerbank da Xiaomi, aí talvez vire um ups 100%.

Hoje utilizo o powerbank de qualidade mais barato no Brasil, mas que não tem as mesmas caracteristicas do 212w da Xiaomi, com o que tenho não dá para alimentar e ser alimentado ao mesmo tempo sem esquentar, esse só como saída não esquenta em nada.

A unidade principal tem 4kg e cabe em uma mochila.

Usei uma CPU Dell Optiplex 3060 mff que tinha,hoje tem cpus muito mais leves, mas o custo é proibitivo no Brasil.

Laptops não são ergonômicos, e Cyberdecks são menos ergonômicos ainda, o meu é um portable desktop.

Ainda preciso comprar uns adaptadores para esconder um pouco os conectores.

u/Vast_Pound461 — 4 days ago
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[Academic] Ergonomic laptop design thesis project survey

Hi everyone, hope you’re having a great day!

I’m an industrial design student working on my thesis about laptop ergonomics

I’ve put together a short survey and would really appreciate it if you could take a few minutes to fill it out, and share it with anyone you think might be interested. I don’t have a huge network myself, so getting this in front of the right community means a lot — hoping to reach enough people for solid, meaningful data.

https://tally.so/r/Zjk8oo

Thanks so much for your time!

u/Still_Eye_3988 — 4 days ago
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Pet peeve: hitting your knees when you sit down at a table

This was my solution. You can sit on any part of the table and you will not hit your knees!

u/Chemical_Tomorrow_69 — 7 days ago
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C5-c6 Nerve irritation all help appreciated

Hey all ,

9 weeks ago I started a desk job and long story short faulty equipment has caused c5-c6 Nerve irritation

Deltoid pain , tight neck , hand burning bilaterally

I've had a clear MRI but neck is just tense

Work seems to me the main driver and maintainer of my symptoms.

When I pull cahir in and rest arms on desk elbows are slightly out and shoulders roll forward which apparently isn't good for this never bundle

So for weeks I have had keyboard at end of desk so I can have elbows in line with shoulders and elbows s next to ribs but this seems to have caused my neck to keep tensing dimue to having to hold my arms all day at work

The cahir arm rest caus super abduction and I'm not allowed a new chair

Has anyone dealt with this before and how you managed I'm so close to quitting and then losing my mortgage as this is disabling me

When I leave work and weekends symptoms improve dramatically

Thank you all

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u/NormalHawk8303 — 6 days ago
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Chair for short person with lumbar and shoulder pain – 14 hour days?

Hi, all.

 

I’m hoping to get some suggestions for an ergonomic chair that I can get in the UK. I’ve been using a £60 chair for the last 6 years whilst I work from home, and it’s causing problems. The main problem is that the seat is too deep and it doesn’t support my back’s natural alignment.

 

Because of that, I lean back too far which puts a load of pressure on my lower back (had to see a physio) and I’m getting a dowager’s hump from leaning forward all the time as well as chronic aches in my traps and neck. Some details below:

 

14-hour sitting sessions (I work from home 8 hours a day and then move from one side of the room to the other to sit for the rest of the evening in front of my non-work laptop)

My height: 168cm/5ft 6"

My weight: 57kg/125lbs

Problems: neck/cervical spine posture (leaning forward), rounded shoulders, aches in neck & traps, and lower back/lumber spine tightness/ache.

Budget: £700/€800/$950USD (could go up to £1000 or so if needs be if it was perfect)

 

I’m willing to buy second hand to bring something into budget, but need to find a good model that works for me first. I’m also a bit worried about sending this much without being able to try them out.

 

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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u/Throwaway1551526 — 5 days ago
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ProtoArc EC200 personal experience after 2 weeks.

For some context, I’m a software engineer who works from home and uses the desk for gaming as well. I am 162 cm (5'4") tall and weigh around 62 kg (137 lbs.), so finding an ergonomic chair that properly accommodates my height and build can sometimes be challenging since I have a small build. After previously sharing my own personal review of the LiberNovo Omni, I was contacted by ProtoArc, who offered me the opportunity to try their EC200 ergonomic chair. Based on my height and build, the EC200 was the model they felt would be the best fit for me. Before getting into the review, I want to make a couple of things clear. I am not a professional chair reviewer, and this review is simply based on my personal experience using the EC200. I’ll be approaching it in the same way I approached my LiberNovo Omni review: from the perspective of a regular user, focusing on what I liked, what I didn’t like, and how the chair actually feels to use. The chair was provided to me free of charge by ProtoArc for the purpose of trying it out and sharing my thoughts. This does not change or influence the opinions expressed in this review. Everything below reflects my genuine experience with the chair.

My experience with chairs is also fairly limited. Before the EC200, the two chairs I had meaningful experience with were a Trust GXT gaming chair (around 250eur) and, more recently, the LiberNovo Omni (around 1000 euro). Both sit at different price points from the EC200, so I’ll keep that in mind throughout this review rather than expecting a roughly €190 chair to compete directly with more expensive alternatives.

Keeping in mind that the EC200 is a chair that goes around €190, I was genuinely impressed by the packaging. Everything was well organized and securely packed, and the overall presentation had a surprisingly premium feel for a chair in this price range. Assembly was also a breeze. You don’t need any of your own tools apart from your hands, as everything required for the assembly is provided in the box. The different parts and hardware are clearly labelled, and the included step-by-step instructions are straightforward and easy to follow.

Considering the price point, I think the overall build quality of the EC200 is very good. The chair is definitely heavy on plastic. However, where it matters to me, everything feels solid and well put together. More importantly, during normal use I've experienced no squeaking, creaking or other unwanted noises from the chair. Whether I'm sitting upright, moving around or reclining, everything has remained quiet and feels sturdy. At this price point, I think ProtoArc has done a very good job with the overall build quality.

One of the first things I noticed when I started using the EC200, and something that quickly became one of my favorite features of the chair, is the headrest. The headrest immediately stood out to me compared with what I was expecting from a chair at this price point. As a short person, headrests are often a bit hit or miss for me. I usually find myself having to stretch or adjust my sitting position just to properly reach them, which somewhat defeats their purpose. The range of adjustability is really good, and I was able to position the headrest exactly where I wanted it. In fact, for my height, I actually prefer the EC200's headrest to the one on my LiberNovo Omni.

The EC200 is also the first chair I've owned with a mesh backrest. One of the first differences I noticed was just how much cooler my back stays compared to both the Trust GXT and the LiberNovo Omni.
Living in Malta, where the climate can get very hot, particularly during the summer, this is something I appreciate more than I expected. Obviously, this is partly a benefit of mesh chairs in general rather than something unique to the EC200, but since this is my first experience with one, its breathability is one of the things I really enjoy about using the chair.

The lumbar support is good and does what I would expect it to do. It can be adjusted up and down, which makes it easier to position it correctly against your lower back, and you can also fine-tune how aggressive the support feels. I am able to adjust the intensity, as you can make the lumbar support more pronounced if you prefer stronger pressure or dial it back for a more subtle level of support. Overall, I don't have any major complaints about the lumbar support. It is still better than the Trust GXT (which is a more expensive chair) but not as good as the LiberNovo.

The armrests are where the first signs of the EC200 being a budget-oriented chair start to show, and I would consider them the weakest part of the chair. They only move up and down. There is no forward/backward adjustment or other positioning that would allow me to fine-tune where my arms sit relative to my desk. This creates a practical problem for me. If I raise the armrests so that they align comfortably with the height of my desk, their position prevents me from getting as close to the desk as I would like. As a result, I end up sitting slightly too far away and have to lean forward a little to comfortably reach my keyboard and mouse. Here the other two chairs have a better option.

The seat itself can be adjusted forward and backward, giving you some control over the seat depth. Since I'm short, I keep it pushed all the way back, but I can definitely see the additional depth being useful for taller people. This is one area where the EC200 actually offers more adjustment than my LiberNovo Omni, as the Omni has a fixed seat depth. Where the seat falls a little short for me, however, is the firmness of the cushion. I generally prefer a softer, more plush seat. This becomes particularly noticeable during longer gaming sessions. I am not a couch gamer but a desktop gamer so I recline in the chair and put my feet up on the desk, and after sitting like this for an extended period, I can start to feel some numbness and discomfort around my backside. I would personally have preferred a little more cushioning or softness here. That being said, the seat is still considerably more comfortable than the one on my Trust GXT, which I found much harder and less forgiving.

The recline mechanism is a tilt-lock system. Personally, this is fine because when I'm gaming and want to recline, I tend to go all the way back anyway. The bigger issue for me is what happens to the rest of the chair when I recline. The armrests, headrest and lumbar support don't really stay in sync with my body as I move from an upright position into a reclined one. At full recline, I can barely reach the armrests, the headrest ends up much closer to the top of my head rather than supporting my neck, and the lumbar support moves too high relative to my lower back. This means that if I want everything positioned correctly while reclined, I have to readjust them. For someone like me who switches between working upright and reclining while gaming, this can become a little inconvenient. It's not something I would necessarily hold heavily against the EC200 given its price though.

TL;DR

It is not a premium chair BUT it is a very competitive and capable budget ergonomic chair with moderate adjustments considering the price point. Best part is the headrest and the weakest part is the armrests.

Positives :

  • Very good build quality for roughly €190; sturdy, quiet, and free from squeaking or creaking.
  • Well-organized packaging and an easy assembly process with all required tools included.
  • Excellent, highly adjustable headrest, particularly for shorter users.
  • Breathable mesh backrest keeps you noticeably cooler during warm weather.
  • Adjustable lumbar support with both height and intensity control.
  • Adjustable seat depth accommodates different heights and is especially useful for taller users.
  • Overall comfort is considerably better than the Trust GXT which is more expensive.

What could be improved :

  • Armrests only adjust vertically and can prevent you from sitting close enough to the desk.
  • Seat cushion is quite firm and may cause discomfort or numbness during longer gaming sessions.
  • Armrests, headrest, and lumbar support do not remain properly aligned with your body while reclining.
  • Switching regularly between upright working and reclined gaming may require readjusting the chair.
  • It is quite plastic made but it is to be expected at this price point.
u/gabrielsaliba1987 — 6 days ago
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After 15 years of remote work, I finally realized my $3k setup was the problem—not the solution

I've been working from home since 2009-ish. I've dropped probably `$3,000+ on the "right" gear: like an adjustable desk, some Herman Miller chair, dual monitors, fancy keyboard, blue light glasses, everything in the works. I heard every productivity guru say the same thing: "invest in your setup", "focus on your goals", "simplify systems, don't complicated them", etc.

But something just never changed. My wrist continued hurting after afternoon projects. My eyes were completely strainrd and burned out by my evening endeavors. My neck was constantly sore. And somehow, with all these expensive tools and rearrangement, my focus was still just garbage.

I kept thinking the problem was me (incapable of doing better), I was simply not disciplined enough, not the right chair, not the right lighting. Bought more stuff to fix that. Nothing.

Then I realized: my desk was basically a "cable graveyard". (One of my specialties: keeping things I don't, and will never use) Like, literally jungles of wires everywhere. My monitor was too low (hello hump-back). My ambient light was "wrong" (poor choices for circadian rhythms). And I had stuff everywhere; papers, notebooks, extra gadgets I never used

None of it was broken, interrupted productivity, or lack of interest. Yet, it all still felt... absolutelty chaotic. Like my brain couldn't relax even when I was trying to focus and work.

So I pretty much gutted the setup. Removed everything I didn't actually use (was 50% of the stuff). Routed all the cables (this alone was absolutely life-changing). I got to the point of adjusting the monitor so I wasn't looking down anymore (bye hump-back). I swapped the setups' overhead light for something warmer. Noticed I was missing a touch of nature and healthy additions, so I put a plant in the corner for fresh clean air (and other benefits indoor plants can offer).

My setup probably costs half what it did before. But for the first time in years, I can actually focus. My wrist doesn't hurt as much after the sane amount of work periods. My eyes don't strain as harshly or burn out as often.

I think the $3k was solving the wrong problem. The expensive stuff makes you feel like you've solved something. But it doesn't solve the chaos that is hidden beneath all the marketing.

That's my story.

Anyone else deal with this? Expensive setup that still didn't work until you simplified it?

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u/BasisFlashy8269 — 8 days ago
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5+ years of heavy arms, a pressing warmth in my hands, and every scan comes back “normal”. I’m running out of ideas

I’ve been carrying this for over five years now and I think I just need to put it somewhere and, honestly, hope someone out there recognizes it. I’m a M 27.

It started right when I finished school and began my first job. I’m a programmer, so I spend long days at a desk. Around that time the symptoms showed up and they’ve never really left:

  • The top of my hands have a constant, warm, pressing feeling. It’s not a sharp pain, it’s this dull, hot pressure that pulls my attention away from work/living all day long.
  • My neck feels heavy, like it’s hard to hold up.
  • My arms feel heavy too. The best way I can describe the whole thing: it feels like gravity is trying to push me into the ground.

Every morning I wake up, and the pain is just there again, waiting. And every evening feels like I’ve pulled several all-nighters in a row.

What I’ve already tried/ruled out:

  • 2 MRI scans of my neck and skull, nothing abnormal
  • An EMG (nerve study); results were fine
  • Multiple physiotherapists, with exercises I stuck with for a long time, no improvement
  • A chiropractor for my neck didn’t help either
  • A good desk and a proper ergonomic chair, adjusted carefully using several ergonomics tutorials, still here

So there’s nothing “visible” wrong with me. On one hand, that’s a relief. On the other hand, I have no idea what’s actually causing this, and I feel stuck.

I know sitting at a desk all day isn’t great for the body. But I genuinely love programming, and I don’t want to, and can’t really, give it up.

The hardest part is that people around me don’t really get what this does to me, and I don’t want to burden them with it. I’m supposed to be in the prime of my life, and I just don’t feel that way at all.

If you’ve experienced anything like this, the heaviness, the pressure, symptoms that don’t show up on any scan, I’d really appreciate hearing what helped you, or even just what you’d try next. Anything I might not have thought of.

Thanks for reading.

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u/craftercls — 8 days ago

Finding eye level illusion

Has anybody else decided to set their monitors to eye level height and then a few hours later adjust their monitor height again (lower them) upon feeling like they are too high?

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u/ProgrammerVirtual667 — 7 days ago

What actually makes a good ergonomic chair for an illustrator?

My workspace is squeezed right next to my bed so I don't really have room for one of those massive office chairs. Meanwhile, I'm also an illustrator, which means one of my hand is constantly drawing and the other is reaching for keyboard shortcuts. My old chair never supported both positions properly turns out I usually end the day with a sore neck and back. I recently switched to a more adjustable chair, and being able to position each armrest separately has been especially helpful since my drawing arm and keyboard arm need different kinds of support.

Curious.. What features do you guys actually look for in an ergonomic chair?

u/LL00VVEE — 7 days ago

can proper posture ruin your aim ?

Hey everyone, I’m trying to figure out something that has been messing with my aim for a while.
I’m actually pretty good at aim trainers, and my tracking feels completely normal there. The problem is that my aim sometimes feels disconnected, like I don’t have full control over my hand, especially when I’m tracing a target and then transitioning into a flick or micro-adjustment.
This started after I learned about “proper” aiming/gaming posture. Before that, I had a very natural setup that I was comfortable with: my chair was lower and my elbow was more flared outward. I never really thought about my posture or how my arm was positioned, and I could just aim naturally.
After learning that I was supposedly supposed to have a more “correct” posture, I started trying to fix everything — chair height, elbow position, forearm angle, wrist position, etc. Since then, I’ve become extremely conscious of how my arm is positioned while aiming.
Now I feel like I’m constantly trying to find the “right” position. Sometimes I literally change my posture every round because my aim feels off, but every position ends up feeling wrong or unnatural.
Another thing I noticed is that my forearm naturally points slightly outward rather than straight toward the center of my body, roughly like /. I don’t know if this is just my natural anatomy/position or something I should actually correct.
So I’m wondering: should I just go back to my old natural setup (lower chair + flared-out elbow), even if it might not be considered “proper posture,” and stop trying to force my arm into a supposedly correct position?
Or should I stick with the newer posture and let myself adapt to it?
I’m mainly trying to get back to the point where I don’t think about my arm or posture at all and can just aim naturally. Any advice from people who have experienced something similar would be appreciated.

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u/Altruistic-Swim-2353 — 7 days ago
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Movably

Best sit/stand chair on the market! I have been using this chair for few years now and it has helped my back issues tremendously. it is worth its weight in gold and definitely worth investing in. numerous drs, injections and therapy did not touch my back pain, this chair enabled me to continue my desk job for many more years to come. I can’t be more grateful!!

u/Global_Bat6881 — 11 days ago

Posture

Everyone in our office has a normal desk with a space for their keyboard. I’m stuck with this corner style right now. I have to rest my arms and elbows on each side in order to type. I’m all scrunched up and I am concerned about long term affects.
We are planning to remodel so I’m thinking about asking to have a new desk put in that has the regular keyboard cutout.
Looking for opinions from everyone.
Am I looking at future issues if I continue to rest my elbow and arms?
Am I wrong for wanting this fixed?
The person who worked here before sat like this for 6 years. But also twice her age

u/RadishNew6502 — 9 days ago
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Question on monitor arm

Which would be better for the Alienware 3420DW (which will be upgraded later this year to Alienware 3926qw (the new 39 5k2k panel)

Ergotron HX

Ergotron HX HD

Herman Miller olin

Open to other suggestions as well !

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u/ANDERS_CORNER_08 — 10 days ago