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Do the 5 precepts mentally apply to video games?

If u/Bhikkhu_Anigha could give their thoughts on this, it would be much appreciated.

I'm not necessarily talking about bodily or verbally breaking the precept. I'm mainly asking about mentally breaking the precept through the related unwholesome intention that the HH virtue wiki mentions.

I can't help but think that killing, stealing, sexual misconduct, lying, or even consuming intoxicants in a video game requires unwholesome intention in terms of the 5 precepts.

For instance, killing a digital creature in a video game. Our minds still see it as a creature that we are depriving of life. So there is intention to kill a being, even though it is technically not a living creature with sentience. So one would be cultivating unwholesome intention in terms of the 1st precept when playing video games that involve killing.

While I do understand that playing video games isn't wholesome as it's often for entertainment, I'm asking the question as a clear example of this concept that I'm not sure about. Another example would be stories where characters kill monsters. It seems to me that rooting for, approving of, or delighting in the character killing their enemies in the story would be breaking the 1st precept mentally.

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u/ToLazyToPickName — 7 hours ago

Question about consciousness and ownership

1.I personally think consciousness is the constant knowing of the experience as an enduring fact. Whatever is happening, it is unavoidable and any attempt to avoid consciousness as the necessary basis leads to non-sense and denial of the basic characteristics of the experience. It is hard to put into words, but it is the fact of the fact. Existence of anything at all is the simultaneous proof of consciousness being there.

I'm not sure if this is a correct way to describe it in Buddha's terms, literally everything else seems to be very easy to recognize, but consciousness seems tricky

So the questions are :"how correct do you think this explanation of consciousness is? is it correct in Buddha's terms? do you have a better pointer to what consciousness is?"

2.Ajahn seems to put a lot of weight on the phrase "we are the owners of our karma" and I don't experience that weight and seeing this gap I wonder: "why is there so much weight being put on this phrase?"

It appears to me that I cannot grasp what it implies, what effect it's supposed to produce, what's the real meaning behind it and so on

https://youtu.be/MX6VxHsixdA?si=_aJ-sA1fLbhuComQ&t=2082

Thanks for your help and suggestions

u/Ok_Watercress_4596 — 5 days ago

How to not slip into trap of depersonalization (and derealization) on the way to the Right View?

This is a follow-up question to the HH video "The Most Acute Description of the Right View". It's not clear how to distinguish the Right View from depersonalization/deralization? Let's imagine that a friend of mine, due to some historical reasons, easily slips into the state of depersonalization/derealization. For him it's always just a glance away: just "look in another way" and the sense of self is lost. But for him this doesn't seem "freeing" at all - on the contrary, the experience is that of impending doom. The whole existance is permeated with the feeling of impending doom and imminent death. So this is surely an immature defensive mechanism which has little to do with Awakening, enlightenment or whatever. This was actually one of the reasons why my friend took up all this meditation stuff - he believed that he could get rid of relying on it so heavily. Another reason he took up the whole "meditation thing" is to get some bliss and happiness - but what he got instead was completely contrary. Instead he constantly and predictably keeps falling into this state of depersonalization and realization due to meditation. At the and of any Goenka or Mahasi-style vipassana retreat he predictably feels very dissociated. It's usually reinforced by his complete loss of sleep at those retreats, which is either side-effects of intense meditation or direct instructions from the teacher. So to summarize, in the video they talk about "liberation", i.e. Right View somehow setting them free, but this poor guy consistenly feels quite the opposite of this "liberation". He feels "enslaved" by the "flow of things", which he cannot change in the slightest. It looks very gloomy in part because of complete loss of self-agency, i.e. it feels like he can't exert even a slightest influence on the "flow of things". So the only option for him is to "observe" this "flow of things" in this dismal awe. So what would you recommend this poor guy? How should he approach the Right View, if even he is to approach it at all?

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u/jwaofi — 5 days ago

Actual meaning of "doing good merit"

I used that term because I'm not actually sure what the term is in English (in Thai it's "ทำบุญ"), but I can give a few examples just to clarify what I mean.

When a person dies some people will (out of tradition) ordain for some period of time (mostly two weeks) for the deceased person. Some people will also ordain as such at least once after they become an adult (i.e. will no longer be a samanera if they ordain) for sake of their parents.

Even Ajahn has mentioned once that (during pindapati?) when a layperson gives food to a person of right view, there is good merit for the giver and receiver.

Now we have the traditional interpretation of "good luck" and whatnot but obviously that's not what is meant by this. Here's my understanding of it, maybe someone, even Bhikkhu Anigha, could verify my understanding here.

There was a conversation between Venerable Thaniyo and Ajahn Nyanamoli where they mentioned that when one meets a person of right view it is like coming into contact with a divine messenger because you would not be able to ignore the difference in demeanor in someone who is an arahant, an anagami, or even a layperson of right view.

(Sidenote: someone might view this statement as conceited since it was mentioned in the context of Venerable Thaniyo meeting and consoling laypeople, but this fact is ultimately true regardless of whether that person of right view was himself or someone else, so it isn't necessary to be conceited to make such a statement.

Also, Venerable Thaniyo was the first to make mention of it, so it is more likely that he isn't speaking about others meeting himself, but actually of him meeting Ajahn, though I'm not sure how they met so this is just speculation.)

How come one is not able to ignore this? Suppose you were to meet someone who speaks your language but in a different dialect. You would notice the difference in their speech, even if they were saying the same thing as you. So too if you meet someone of the right view, even if they have the same physical faculties as you and are under the same circumstances as you, it would be hard not to notice the difference between your own attachment and their indifference, even if subtle.

Maybe it is the case that the noble one is met with minor or even major disrespect, but seeing that such a person is practically unmoved (even if they are able to recognise that it is offensive, not just in the social sense but personally), you'd find it hard not to notice.

Or maybe it's enduring physical effort and external conditions where the noble one is clearly also experiencing the same "hardship" (also sweating, also exhausted, i.e. speaking the same language) yet seems not to be personally affected (is able to take it without ill-will towards his physical situation, i.e. speaks a different dialect to one who cannot have non-ill-will towards such circumstances)

Thus, to "do good merit" for your parents isn't so much for the sake of their richness and health, although it is a possible side effect. Having dwelled in a (supposedly, assuming the monastry isn't riddled with corruption or anything) better environment than the dusty and crowed household life, his mind becomes elevated (basically he grows up) and his parents, upon meeting him, will perceive this (or rather, as a double negative, they are unable to ignore it). The drastic change then essentially forces them to reflect on their own shortcomings (parts of themselves which they have not grown out of) and thus also elevates the mind of his parents. If on account of that elevation of mind, the parents gain the clarity to earn more money, remain healthier, or gain for themselves a better circumstance, then that is "good merit" in some sense, but one will not succeed if it is made a primary goal. It is also completely tangential: the true merit comes in the development of the mind, however subtle.

In the same way, to "do good merit" for a deceased person isn't so much for the sake of their good rebirth, although it is a possible side effect. Having dwelled in a better environment than the crowded and dusty household life, his mind becomes elevated (above the grief and lamentation over his companion's death) and his friends who are still living, upon meeting him, will perceive this, or rather are unable to ignore it. This drastic change then essentially forces them to reflect on their own shortcomings (their own grief and lamentation over things which are impermanent, unownable, and cannot conceivably be otherwise) and thus also elevates the minds of his living peers. If, on account of that, the deceased person (or rather spirit) witnesses all this while between death and rebirth, has his mind elevated as he reflects on his grief and lamentation over his own death, and on account of this finds a better rebirth, then even that is "good merit" in some sense, but one cannot conceivably make this their primary goal (as opposed to the first case where you can sort of imagine it, this case relies on faith in the Buddha). It is also completely tangential: true merit comes from the development of the mind, however subtle.

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u/SickoSeaBoy — 5 days ago

Question on goals of practice

In an HH video on relationships being unwholesome, they say that they are certainly unwholesome if your goal is to practice dhamma towards arahantship.

Is this also true if your goal is to practice towards stream entry? And from there, is it possible to change your goal from stream entry to arahantship?

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u/DuePangolin7387 — 6 days ago

Lack of Energy

I have a question to people who may have dealt with this.

Basically I noticed that when I have a job I burn out, it's too much. I don't have energy for anything else. I wonder whether it's possible to get some more energy even when working a physically demanding job with a lot of activity, elements, people, restraint and all that heavy stuff

I recently watched a video that as subject told a story about a man full of dreams that had a plan of pursuing his dream when free of work, but later that man realised he has no energy to pursue anything and his dreams die. Very sad story

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u/Motor-Blood7689 — 7 days ago

Metta to calm aversion, not get rid of pressure without fully developed virtue

My question is essentially whether it would be wrong to cultivate generosity, kindness and a mind of friendliness if I’m still not yet fully developed in restraint. (Not yet fully celibate). Will it help me towards deepening renunciation and understanding, or will it just be another escape from pressure.

Assuming I’m not doing it when pressured to do so, but with the right intention of calming aversion to pressure, instead of getting rid of pressure thru sensuality.

Btw, I understand metta better as friendly (non illwill) bodily, verbal and mental action, not just repeating phrases in my head.

Should I make it a serious focus of my practice to not only never harm, but also do kind acts to other beings, charity and generosity and train the mind in friendly attitude?

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u/Representative-Age18 — 8 days ago

What flaws do you see in my understanding of practice?

Hi practitioners,

I have made several misunderstandings of HH teachings on core topics in the past. I am not talking about finer points like the jhanas or satipatthana. I mean mistakes about what the fundamental practice of virtue is. Instead of going into my history (what I used to think and why it was wrong) what follows is my current understanding. Do you see any flaws in it?

My current goal is keeping the 7 precepts. My next goal will be keeping the 8 precepts, then avoiding unwholesome speech, then not doing unwholesome things that don't break the precepts, then sense restraint, then moderation in eating. At the moment, I'm not too concerned with what sense restraint and moderation in eating are. I just want to develop the foundation of virtue.

I understand my current practice to be, just keep the precepts I've undertaken with a minimum of management. I've taken the precepts in a broad sense; what's given in the suttas are examples to exemplify the essence of them. At this level, if something doesn't break a precept, then I shouldn't bother scrutinizing it.

I understand the next levels of practice to be the same, but with more precepts (7 -> 8, then no unwholesome speech).

Following this, there are no more precepts to undertake. The training is now done at the level of mental intentions. If I detect an intention of greed, aversion, or distraction, don't do it. I understand the intention to manifest more as an emotional reaction and not an intellectual justification. Perfecting understanding and restraint of unwholesome intention might be sotapatti and then I won't need further clarification on sense restraint and moderation in eating.

If I did need further clarification, I figure I should wait until I am more developed in virtue and closer to the next step to clarify what to do. I have read Bhante Anigha's essay on sense restraint.

Questions

Once I can keep the 7 precepts well, should I move to watching intentions? Or should I move to 8 precepts then 8 precepts with no unwholesome speech then watching intentions?

Is focusing all my effort on precepts, the right approach or too narrow?

Practice

My practice within the 7 precepts is basically focused around celibacy. It's the precept I struggle with the most. I'm not asking for a method or a cookie cutter technique. I'm figuring out for myself what will help me be celibate. Do you see anything that is obviously wrong?

Things I'm doing or have tried or might try:

  • Journaling about precepts, sensuality, celibacy, sexuality, and so on.
  • Contemplating my faith. What do I have faith in and why?
  • Trying to cultivate hiri ottappa, but I'm not really sure how to do this. Figuring it out.
  • 5 recollections, and especially death recollection
  • Noticing that lack of lust feels good and lust feels bad.
  • Thinking about the value of renunciation.
  • Trying to see sensuality like burning coals.
  • When unagitated and in a safe environment, imagining scenarios that might tempt me to break precepts then contemplating the drawbacks and why I should still keep the precepts.
  • Management techniques
  • Trying to do the basics of anapanasati rightly so I endure more. When done wrongly, it seems like a management technique which is still better than breaking precepts.
  • Reflecting on Dhamma talks, essays, suttas, etc.

EDIT: Maybe it would be helpful to share my history of major misunderstandings.

  1. Years ago, I thought I should just sit in a chair and not do anything for hours a day because anything I did would be out of craving.
  2. Thought I should keep the precepts, but also never do anything that had an unwholesome state behind. Virtue wiki explicitly says this is wrong. So I was keeping my practice tighter than it should be.
  3. Today - ???

EDIT 2: My main concern is having the appropriate sub-goals and goals. If that is off, then practice is wrongly directed.

The things I've tried, are just my attempts at what might help with the sub-goal of keeping the precepts. I don't know what works, but you can probably infer a rationale behind them.

u/spiffyhandle — 10 days ago

Question about killing/euthanasia

tl;dr: last paragraph before “Thank you.”

Hi. I will try to be brief. I would appreciate any guidance because this has been weighing on me heavily. I have rewritten this post several times over several days. I have no reason to expect that I wouldn’t be shown kindness here, but in posting on Reddit before, when looking for help, I have been dragged through the mud. So, I guess what I am saying is, please be kind, if you can. I am just trying to do the right thing and I don’t know what that is.

It seems to me that hiring or directing someone to kill for you is worse than doing it yourself. You are still killing, it is just that you are using another human being as your weapon. So instead of just you getting the bad kamma of killing, both of you do.

2.25 years ago I agreed to foster a cat for a stranger on facebook for 6 months to a year. I told the woman she could visit every two weeks. I never saw her again.

Now the cat is my best friend. He is healthy. But I am not, and I am poor. I have little to no savings. While not young, he is not old, and he is everything a cat-lover could wish for in a cat.

Many cats, when they get sick or old, just wander off to die somewhere. However I don’t know if/when that will happen. It is possible that he will just end up agonizing loudly continuously for weeks. I would not be able to sleep, and if I go to work without sleep I am putting myself and others in danger of grievous bodily harm or even death. I probably won’t have the funds needed to ensure his comfort during the process of dying. And I can’t violate the first precept by euthanizing him should such a set of circumstances arise. So, I am thinking that the best option is to rehome him now, while he is still a delight. Find him a new owner/caretaker who would be happy to have him. He loves all people, so I am confident he wouldn’t miss me too much. I would miss him more.

However, here in America, euthanasia is generally considered to be the humane option for the pains of severe illness or death. My state recently approved medical assistance in dying for humans.

So, if I rehome him (my cat) now, and the new owner does not give me explicit assurances that they won’t euthanize him under any circumstances (which I imagine would be near impossible to come by), and they go on to euthanize him, perhaps years from now, am I culpable for the killing?

Thank you.

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u/Objective-Work-3133 — 12 days ago

Suffering as Feedback

I've started analysing and questioning my choices more attentively and have a question based on that.

If I do something and immediately experience suffering already as I am acting, does it automatically mean that the action is unwholesome or it could be something else as well?

For example I noticed that harsh speech immediately results in suffering, but maybe not everything is as straightforward as harsh speech

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u/Ok_Watercress_4596 — 11 days ago

A question on a teaching from Sister Medhini’s article

> “Regardless of everything else – the specific situation, the immediate or superficial outcome, and whether people approve of it or not – an action motivated by greed cannot be harmless or blameless. The same applies to any action motivated by aversion (which includes fear, irritation, impatience and so on, as well as outright anger). And the same also applies to whatever is motivated by sheer carelessness or disregard.”

Why is it easy to apply this teaching on anger and difficult to apply on other states like irritation,fear, impatience, carelessness, etc? I find that such unwholesome states have grades and some are easy to discern while some are difficult to discern as underlying motivations. Any pointers or help in this direction will be welcome. How to work on seeing each of these motivations when you lack self-transparency? How to be less delusional in regards to these motivations than you already are?

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u/titikshakshanti — 12 days ago

Is Peripheral Awareness Ayoniso ?

“One begins developing this practice of awareness by being mindful of the experience as a whole. For example, one is mindful of ‘being-seated-on-a-chair-reading-a-Dhamma-essay’. That is one’s situation at that very time. That is one’s experience as a “whole”. This is always the necessary starting point. What is very important is to prevent the tendency to become absorbed in one particular thing. (Feeling, sensations or perception, and similar). Instead, one has to broaden the mindfulness and become aware of the generality of one’s current situation, without losing the sight of the particular either.

Of course, the attempts of discerning the background of one's current experience will not be perfect in the beginning. One will more often than not fall into a mistake of over-attending one’s experience as a whole. This is a mistake of making that background into an object of one’s attention, defining it, clarifying it, trying to keep it in front. These are all ways of making it a foreground, which means that then something else will be in place of the background.” -- Ven. N. Nyanamoli in his essay Peripheral Awareness.

The background is always a plurality of things on the same level of being as the foreground. The whole encompasses both the foreground and the background, and is on a higher level of generality, a different order of being. (According to the schemata laid out by the saḷāyatana the body is always in the background, always the “here” in experience.) Attending to the periphery would be horizontal awareness. Yoniso manasikāra requires satisampajañña, a stepping back vertically, at right angles to horizontal awareness. This is why satisampajañña is best practiced with activity that requires little thought. A lot of peripheral awareness is involved when engaged in our worldly projects and tasks. It’s not necessarily a bad thing, but it’s not the “proper” way to alleviate suffering. I do recognize that peripheral awareness can be useful in accentuating the whole, since it keeps us focused on the task at hand.

The goal is to direct one’s attention to the whole, making it the foreground of a yet more general whole. This brings to prominence the hierarchy of consciousness. It’s essentially a thing (our situation) against a background of itself as it endures. The insight being that this thing (our situation) isn’t a free floating entity independent of the levels that lie beneath it. And that our situation is an aspect of a yet greater whole, the greatest of which is our individuality.

If I’ve gone astray here, I’d welcome to be corrected by someone with greater understanding.

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u/Purple_Pineapple3566 — 12 days ago