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M1 Margin Annoyance

When using a Margin account on M1 you are forced to put cash into your Invest account before the interest payment date each month if you want to avoid having Margin automatically increase your borrowed principle to pay off the interest from month to month.

This means you also have to disable your auto-invest temporarily every month (or more likely all the time, thus defeating half of M1's professed benefits and the core benefit touted of M1's pie system) or set your auto-invest floor above your monthly interest amount (which no one would reasonably want to do since the cash in the Invest account provides no interest or benefit to the investor). Since cash sitting in the invest account makes no interest (in comparison to an earn account) you are effectively "punished" by this setup.

None of these are massive issues, they are little things, a few days a month of minor manual selections, and choices can manage the situation.

However, the design seems to have been specifically created to produce pain points to try to extract extra 'value' for M1. This seems very much in contrast to many of the other touted features of M1.

Perhaps this is something that most people are not bothered by though?

I find it annoying that the system is setup in this manner, it gives me a negative impression of M1 and makes me feel like they specifically designed the system to be predatory.

There is certainly no technical reason why we couldn't have the margin interest pulled from an associated earn account or another bank account, yet that ability is missing. I don't want my Margin principle to ever increase without my purposeful selection, but M1 seems to be playing a game of 'gotcha' with the Margin system, hoping that you slip up so they can make a little bit more money.

The fact that people will likely reply with workarounds is entirely the point that I'm making.

There shouldn't need to be ANY workarounds, it should be a straightforward system of M1 charging interest and the individual paying off the interest through whatever manner they want.

Sure, if a person chooses not to link something like Earn, great, use the margin account to "pay" the interest by borrowing more, fine.

However, the lack of a process that doesn't automatically try to penalize you if you don't arrange your money to not benefit you (sitting in cash reserves, etc.) comes across as a scummy mobile-game-level of predatory.

I wish one of the M1 representatives would chime in on why they think the reputation hit for this behavior and the almost certainly minor increase in interest payments to M1 is somehow worth more than customer satisfaction and company reputation.

I certainly can't recommend the margin system in its current state beyond the fact that the interest rate is competitive and I honestly wish I could! I like M1's setup for everything else, with the exception of the murder of the Spend account, because it was very nice to have all my financials in the same location (plus, that black metal card was weighty and very stylish, couldn't help but like it).

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u/416872617576756E — 4 days ago
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Any feedback is appreciated

I’m currently 28 and have a well funded company 401k and am funding my emergency fund. I was curious how you all felt about this current selection I have. Any insight or advice would be very helpful. I don’t do any day trading or anything like that. I’m looking for what’s best for long term growth. Set and forget. Thanks.

u/Sobolewskic — 7 days ago

Child’s Custodial account advice?

Is this a good mix for Childs account?

u/DiamondA22 — 7 days ago

Can someone please explain this legalize to me

I realize that M1 presents itself as having partnered with a bank (which they now own) and that it is FDIC insured but after watching this video I decided to have a look at M1's TOS.

>M1 High-Yield Cash Account(s) is an investment product offered by M1 Finance, LLC, an SEC registered broker-dealer, Member  FINRA / SIPC. M1 is not a bank and M1 High-Yield Cash Accounts are not a checking or savings account. The purpose of this account is to invest in securities, and an open M1 Investment account is required to participate in the M1 High-Yield Cash Account. All investing involves risk, including the risk of losing the money you invest.

https://m1.com/legal/terms/

What does this mean exactly?

If it's not a checking account and all HYSA deposits are in fact "investments" then is it not covered under FDIC?

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u/slickyeat — 10 days ago

New ETF’s Added to M1

I understand M1 isn’t/doesn’t work as a normal brokerage however how are the ETF’s and stocks selected and when would they be added generally after inception. Something like Spcx was added day of IPO where as the new RoundHill Leveraged DRAM ETF called $RAM, isn’t (it’s in my E*Trade Brokerage).

Not a complaint just wondering how, when, these selections are made and added.

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u/DateNew7115 — 11 days ago

Auto Rebalance (Turn off) ?

Question:

Is there a way to turn off Auto Rebalancing? For example, if I have a current portfolio but want to transfer a large holding in a certain ETF from another brokerage, that would drastically change my allocations; is there a way to turn off rebalancing so my holdings do not get sold?

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u/Particular-Flow-2151 — 12 days ago

Invest tab

Is anyone else having issues getting their invest tab/portfolio to show up when logging in? I’m on the mobile app and no matter how many times I open and close the app, I can’t get my invest tab to display my portfolio. I’ve checked to make sure the app is up to date. I’ve checked the time on my phone to make sure it is accurate. I don’t know what else to do. It’s like playing the lottery each time I log in on whether or not I can even look at my portfolio let alone make changes to it. I was trying to view it last week on the go and fought with it every bit of an hour at work trying to get it to work. It’s becoming tiring and frustrating.

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u/MrKayn2021 — 14 days ago