r/MarvelScaling

Okay Flash stans I see your lips salivating… I’m going to need you to promise NOT to use this to say Flash negs Wanda and all marvel heroes, okay? Okay.

Also this post will be slightly better if you know about Wanda’s transformations but I’ll try not to make it necessary!

 

So Quicksilver in my point is one of the most underrated Marvel heroes. Whenever Wanda and Quicksilver are in a 2v2 match-up on r/MvDC he’s always said to be the weak link, even to the point her trying to keep him alive is why she wins.

I’m here to argue that he actually has really good scaling to his sister and it’s shown pretty consistently!

 

 

Okay to start us off, does this even make sense? Pietro’s a guy who runs fast and Wanda can bend reality itself, can they even be relative?

Yes and we know how! It’s been established that Pietro is just like Wanda in that his potential is without limit, both he and Wanda embody the Red Queen Hypothesis and will constantly adapt and grow for each new challenge. He’s also just the science half to Wanda’s magic. (This scan also showcases that Quicksilver currently is faster than he was before so pretty please don't bring up years old anti-feats for him thanksss)

Basically, Wanda and Pietro both have no potential cap so whatever level one reaches, it’s possible for the other to reach or surpass.

 

Okay so sure it’s possible, but do the feats suggest so? I think so yeah! Starting with pre-griever stuff

Phases through and one-shots an enemy who grabbed Wanda and no-sold her fire attack

Did you know Pietro can phase by the way? Not everyone knows that!

Battles Wizard with Wanda

Here he dodges multiple attacks from The Wizard, tanks a point-blank fire blast from him (does go into the water soon after though) then builds up the momentum to one-shot him with a strike.

And just before Pietro one-shot him, Wizard was fighting Darkhold Wanda and was tanking hits from her just fine! It was established Wanda needs to be in her Darkhold form to fight Wizard as earlier she couldn’t even dent his forcefields in base. And I do think Quicksilver is above or relative to the Wizard here even if they 1v2’d him since Wanda says “Our deaths are beyond your talents” to Wizard which I take as her saying both she and Wanda would beat him in a 1v1, although I could see someone disagreeing!

Oh by the way the reason Wizard was so strong in this arc was he was getting buffed by The Griever. Speaking of….

 

 

The Griever fight

Okay there are three big moments here

Wanda vs. Griever round 1

In her Darkhold form, Wanda attacks Griever and gets casually blocked and hit away. Then Griever disintegrates her with a single blast. It’s later said in the story Griever was also holding back her power during this part!

Griever vs. Quicksilver (+ Polaris)

Quick note before the fight even starts, Griever refers to Pietro as “The briefest of all mayflies”. She refers to mortals as mayflies and brief is a synonym for quick, so basically, she’s saying Pietro is the Quickest/Fastest mortal!

But I think Pietro’s showing here is really good! Especially since while this is all we see of it, It’s happening alongside the other events of these issues (Wanda trying to revive herself and Darcy going to get Hexfinder) so the actual length of the fight was even longer.

Starts with Pietro dodging one of her blasts, afterward he does get caught running around and need to be saved by Polaris distracting Griever. But once his attention is turned to fighting Griever exclusively he performs much better and is seen dancing around her hits being in 3 places at once from her perspective. After a while of doing this (remember there are several pages of Wanda’s stuff between these two moments) she does nearly tag him twice, the second time being stopped by Polaris grabbing her sword.

But I do think it’s important to note Grievers sword here is not her standard gear, she started using it in this arc and loses it in the next issue, and without that increased ranged that attack wouldn’t have come closer to Pietro.

It’s here when Griever finally starts to unleash her full power making a giant energy blast. But Quicksilver is still able to react to this by running up a wall and jumping to tackle Polaris out of the way. Not to mention he actually gets at least partially hit by this attack and seems mostly fine, remember a lesser version of this casually killed Darkhold Wanda!

Overall, I think Quicksilver was shown to be significantly faster than Griever and was okay after getting grazed by a stronger version of the attack that one-shot darkhold Wanda. And since he’s so much faster it’d be hard for a swordless Griever to do anything but graze him anyway.

Quicksilvers assistance in Wanda vs. Griever round 2

This fights long so we’ll be focusing on what Quicksilver does. Basically, after coming back to life Wanda fights Griever in her newly empowered pink form and does a lot better.

But the important part is Quicksilvers assistance by running really fast and hitting Griever so hard it scatters her essence (with help from Wanda’s hex). But they talk about the speed necessary to do this beforehand.

We don’t know how fast Quicksilver needed to be, but his response was “Are you mad? No one is that fast.”. Quicksilver is able to break his limits and reach this level of speed, but the important part is that he’s not just breaking his limits. As far as he knew, literally no one could move as fast as he was during that moment, despite knowing, fighting, and being friends with many of marvels fastest characters he still thought that level of speed wasn’t possible before he achieved it.

Secondly, I’d like to talk about this page again, here not only does Pietro outright deny Grievers claim that he’s inferior to Wanda, but he also says “Wanda and I rise together.” Now I could be overthinking this, but I think this is saying not only do he and Wanda both have the same potential, but when one grows the other will too. Which is helped because in this very arc Wanda achieved a new level of power she thought impossible, and then literally pages later Quicksilver achieved a new level of speed he thought impossible. So, I think even post Griever narratively these two are meant to be relative!

 

So, what’s this all mean?

Is Quicksilver dead even to Wanda as a combatant? … sadly not haha. Due to having more solo stuff, being an active Avenger, and writers generally hyping her up a lot more, she just has more feats on this level as well, less jobbing, and abilities that Quicksilver hasn’t shown an answer to like revival. However, I 100% do think as of right now they are relative, not because Wanda is weak but because Pietro is strong!