r/MarvelTheories

When the Avengers went back to 2012, Loki escaped with the Tesseract. The Russo brothers confirmed that timeline was never fixed. That branch is still out there. So what if in that timeline, things played out differently? Tony pushed harder for the "suit of armor around the world" and created Ultron. But this time, Ultron won. He dropped Sokovia, millions died, and the Avengers lost. Cap, Thor, Nat, Clint, Bruce — all dead. Tony was the only survivor. Wanda's vision came true. Tony was forced to live with the guilt, watching his creation destroy everything he loved.

He couldn't live in a universe where he failed everyone. So he decided he'd create a new one. A universe where none of this ever happened. That's when he stopped being Tony Stark and became Doctor Doom.

This might come off as stupid of me and it's going to be long too.

What if the Doctor Doom is the same Tony Stark that we all know to grow and love and not a variant. So, after watching Avengers Endgame, I noticed one thing, that the dead body of Tony Stark wasn't there anywhere. Now here comes the interesting part.

Tony's face got heavily damaged and scarred due to him using the infinity gaunlet to snap away Thanos and his army into dust.

We also saw Nick Fury at his funeral. Now, this becomes interesting.

What if...Nick Fury used Project TAHITI to resurrect Tony Stark? I know the original project TAHITI was destroyed, but what if he developed a similar serum from the blood and remains of the 2014 Chitauri army, as it was revealed in Secret Invasion that he collected the blood of all avengers from the battlefield. So, wouldn't it make sense if he collected blood from the Black Order and Chitauri too in order to develop a serum to resurrect Stark like he did with Coulson?

As Tony performed the snap, could it be possible that the stones, snapped with the nanotech gaunlet of the Mark 85 armor, plus the alien serum gave him some sort of superior cosmic sorcery power.

However, as it was revealed, that the serum had severe side effects, which made the user unstable, and it causes them to go mad and lose their sanity. Could Doctor Doom be a result of an attempt to resurrect Tony, all to create a villain that has his face, but is insane?

What do you guys think of this?

So this has been on my mind for ages so ima just get it out and see how it does ig. I cba to go into how this will impact spiderman BND but yeah I'm js trying to prove the Symbiote is making him mutate.

So basically my first point is that we have 2 post credit scenes that link the Symbiote to Peter the first being in Venom Let There Be Carnage where we see Venom is pretty interested in Peter Parker and then Spider Man No Way Home where we see venom leave a drop of himself in the MCU. So yeah basically the timing just makes sense. So like maybe that blob just has it in its conscious to find Peter Parker.

Second is that in the BND trailer we see Peters eyes go completely black when in near death situations such as Scorpions tail like inches from his face or a Ninja from The Hand about to hit him with a Katana. What I caught onto is that when his eyes go black he gains a lot of strength and stops holding back because he manhandles scorpion even flipping a cop car in the process and also shatters the Katana of The Hand. So this could be the Symbiote protecting the host (Peter) from dying because if Peter dies it dies.

Third so basically this one may be a stretch but it makes way too much sense to me so I'm including it. So because the droplet of Symbiote that may be inside Peter is from the Venom from Earth 688 and not 616 it is a foreign Symbiote. So like what if this means the Symbiote runs into complications during bonding due to universes having different laws (i dunno how true this is it just makes sense to me). So therefore the Symbiote needs to MUTATE it's host (in this case Peter) to survive inside the host.

Next about the mind controlling villain person from the trailer who I'm like 99% sure is Jean Grey. We know Peter is immune to the mind control which must mean either Jean is doing it on purpose or something is stopping her from taking control of him possibly a dual consciousness dual to the symbiote. So the Symbiote is preventing Jean from taking control of Peter because it is already sort of in control. AND in the BND trailer we see that Jean is controlling a random citizen and they say "Hey Spiderman, got rid of that monster inside of you?". I really can't think of much else Jean could mean by that other than the Symbiote (Venom).

I have also thought of a way this could lead to secret wars in some way or at least from spidermans POV. So like imagine the Symbiote doesn't show itself at all during the movie other than like the mutating DNA and lashouts Peter has. Imagine at the end Peter dies and then like Hulk finished the final villain off. Then Peter is buried as spiderman and not Peter Parker because Peter Parker doesn't exist and then the post credit scene is Peters grave with rumbling and stuff beneath it and then Peter emerges with the black suit just like in the Kravens Last Hunt comic and then it cuts to "Spiderman will return in Avengers Secret Wars". This is just my own little spin on it because like they're recreating a bunch of comic panels within the movie and I just thought this would be cool and in the comics Peter first gets the Symbiote suit in secret wars so it would be a cool way to introduce this.

Thats about it, it's my first post so I dunno exactly if I done a good job or not. Please correct me if anything I've said is false or something. Personally I don't think they'll of the Symbiote route because there is also a lot in the trailer that points away from it but still if they do the Symbiote route I hope it is something like what I've said above. Feel free to point out any holes in the theory or something I dunno I've talked enough bye 😭

So I’m gonna take a guess just based off everything swirling around in media today about Avengers Doomsday. I think Doom will take Franklin Richards as a last resort. See they revealed Doom at the end of FF:FS and now we’re all thinking “Ah shit he’s already got the boy”… I was thinking that at least. Anyway, the ideas swirling the internet suggest to me that Doom’s plot is already laid and finished. We just haven’t seen it in motion yet; BUT, he won’t exactly win as according to plan.

What plan ever does go accordingly anyhow? So what I’m trying to say is, Doom’s gonna do all that Multiverse smashing crap and we’re probably gonna get some sort of Beyonder for Game of Worlds concept. Maybe. However, due to being from mostly an analog realm and having a little extra padding (cosmic shielding whatever) I think F4 will thwart him, THEN in turn he steals their son and re-writes everything in a last-ditch effort to win.
So, not an absolute win.
BUT still the God Emperor win; I feel like this context matters, again this is just me completely winging it though based off prior info.

(NOTE: I’m not basing this off leaks, I like to research overall public theory based on the source material and casting contents. As well as what we already have right in front of us best example being Franklin and Doom on screen.)

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We all know Peter will have organic webs in Brand New Day.

My theory is that this isn't just a random change.

What if the movie actually takes place in Battleworld, but Marvel doesn't tell us until the ending? It would be a crazy cliffhanger leading into Doomsday.

Think about it. Peter always needed web cartridges. If everyone ends up trapped in Battleworld, who's gonna make more web fluid for him? Nobody.

Giving him organic webs would solve that problem. Unlimited webs, no need to build cartridges, and he can survive in Battleworld without depending on technology.

It could also explain why characters that shouldn't even exist in the MCU (like Jean Grey, if the rumors are true) suddenly appear. They wouldn't be from Earth-616... they'd already be in Battleworld.

Maybe I'm completely wrong 😂 but I think it would actually make a lot of sense.

What do you guys think?

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How did the Time Stone, encased within the Eye of Agamotto, end up on Earth in the hands of the Masters of the Mystic Arts, becoming their primary weapon against the forces of evil? Let’s hear your theories!

We know that the Space Stone was entrusted to Earth by the Asgardians before returning to Asgard years later.

As for the Mind Stone, it arrived on Earth in 2012 inside the Chitauri scepter, before being retrieved by Ultron, who then embedded it in Vision’s forehead.

My theory is that Earth is not the only planet with sorcerers. We know, for instance, that Krugarr—a member of the Ravagers—also masters the mystic arts.

I therefore believe that sorcerers from another planet entrusted the Time Stone to Earth's sorcerers, knowing that our world remained particularly vulnerable to mystical and interdimensional threats. Earth's sorcerers would then have sealed it within the Eye of Agamotto to protect it and use it to defend the planet.

the most modern iron man plotline has him

1. travel through time to save all of man kind and die due to it

"When he travelled time
For the future of mankind"

and now due to robert downey junior being casted as DOOM being confirmed

2. he comes back for his revenge

"Now its time For Iron Man to spread fear
Vengeance from the grave
Kills the people he once saved"

and due to doom being fully covered in a metal suit these lyrics also fit

"Heavy boots of lead
Fills his victims full of dread"

Since marvel has shifted towards doom ,do someone have a hypothetical idea or potentially story of kang dynasty??

As rumors suggest, one of the main villains could be Miles Warren (AKA The Jackal), so this connects him to other rumored villains (Sadie Sink) depending on the lore from the comics it adapts.

So apart from 'The Other' (organic webbing and cocoon), man - spider ('The mutant agenda' and other 'spider-man TAS' episodes, and also 'The Other') and Hulk instead of the lizard, the movie may clearly be adapting 'Spider - Island' and even 'Dark Web' .

So for those who don't know, in 'spider - Island' comic book event, Adriana Soria, a mutant military woman was injected with a variant of the super soldier serum which gave her insect related powers, formed an alliance with The Jackal in order to create a virus that gave new Yorkers Spiderman powers but with a side effect, letting Soria to control them, and later morphing them in horrendous human - spider hybrids. That would mean that all the mind controlled people like the old lady in the tank and the others, had been infected but Punisher wasn't. And so Sadie Sink could be playing her (perhaps mixed with Shathra \[multiversal spider - wasp that preys on and infects spider - totem users)\] .

But what if they are going on a different route, maintaining The Jackal as a plot device to be similar to' spider - Island', but replacing all Adriana Soria related stuff in favor of Madelyne Pryor, Jean Grey's tragic villainous clone? So in this movie, Pryor could have been created by Warren but their plot device could be inspired by the ' Dark Web' event from the comics, which allied Pryor with Ben Reilly (Peter's clone) and pushed Spider - man and the x-men against them?

Other theories suggest that Sadie could be playing Mastermind, another mutant with similar powers to Jean's who also confronted spider - man.

I doubt it could be Cassandra nova that somehow escaped her erasure, or a reincarnated body of Wanda.

I also doubt she could be playing other Grey - Summers relatives and even Jean Grey (who I think wouldn't be dumb to be manipulated by Warren) or wouldn't be as that evil being possessed by the phoenix force.

I also doubt about other characters, even gender swapped etc..

Which theory do you agree more with? Let me know, and please, understand that English isn't my main language.

Many people will find this unlikely but hear me out. I think that the whole "Man-Spider" or Spider-Puberty mutation plot they are pushing for Brand New Day is just the effect of the symbiote on Peter's body.

Here is why all the pieces actually point to the symbiote:

Marvel/Sony like to lie in the marketing: First of all, we know they do this. Stuff like erasing Tobey and Andrew from the NWH trailers and the fabricated scenes (e.g Hulk in Infinity War) to hide plot points. Nobody is really asking for a Man-Spider-ish mutation movie right now, especially as a follow-up to the hype weight of No Way Home. Hiding a highly anticipated symbiote story behind a weird mutation plot is exactly the kind of misdirection they would pull to keep the symbiote reveal a secret.

The web tornado and black eyes: In the trailer, Peter is shooting organic webs from all over his body, like his chest and shoulders, to make that web tornado. You know what does that? The symbiote. It's alien biomass that can create tendrils or webs from anywhere on the host's body.

Same goes for his eyes. Peter's eyes are turning pitch black. Some people online correlate this with Man-Spider but his are red or yellow eyes because he turns into a literal bug. I think the black eyes are quite simply the symbiote moving inside of his body, like those parasites you see in animal eyes sometimes (or even similar to Tom Hardy's eyes when he is possessed by the symbiote while still in human form). The eyes turning black is basically "symbiote activation," where the alien either takes over Peter in that moment or empowers him.

The timing just makes sense: NWH literally ended with Tom Hardy's Eddie Brock leaving a piece of the symbiote behind in the MCU, and we know it has an innate appetite for Peter (Venom 2 post-credit scene). Right now, Peter is completely isolated. He lost his aunt, his friends forgot him, and he is totally alone. That is the most perfect, vulnerable mental state for the symbiote to latch onto.

Timeline-wise this is followed up by Doomsday, which leads right into Secret Wars. Secret Wars is literally where the Black Suit debuted in the comics. Introducing the internal corruption now and saving the actual physical Black Suit for the final act or Secret Wars is the perfect homage for the comic's timeline and it feels like such a Feige thing to do.

Mac Gargan and "The Shadow": Mac Gargan has hated Peter since Homecoming. He got disfigured, thrown in jail, and now he's finally back as Scorpion. From the trailer, he's going to get absolutely obliterated by a violent, out-of-control Peter.

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If you look at this post Michael Mando made, he explicitly says Scorpion's purpose is to help Spider-Man "recognize and embrace his shadow." That feels like more than just a subplot or battle between Spidey and a jobber.

Peter beating him to a pulp is Gargan getting his first taste of the symbiote's power. It sets Gargan up perfectly to slowly become a nuanced, terrifying Venom in the next movies instead of retreading Eddie Brock or using Flash Thompson (who is too silly in the MCU to be a serious Venom imo). I know Gargan's venom is not very popular but he spent almost a decade as Venom and he was influential (the jagged massive Spider logo and the massive Venom size came from his tenure as the villain). The MCU can definitely write him better than the comics and Mando is a great actor who can kill it as a nuanced, interesting Venom.

The supporting cast narratively supports this: Look at the characters they brought in for this. Bruce Banner, who is the ultimate parallel for dealing with a dangerous "Other" living inside your body (Hulk). Punisher is here, who serves as the perfect moral mirror, if Peter starts getting hyper-violent and almost murderous under the symbiote's influence, Frank Castle's involvement becomes more pertinent. Even the rumors of Sadie Sink playing Jean Grey might play into her giving some insight on how Peter's mind is affected by the symbiote.

TL;DR: BND's transformation is due to the symbiote. There is no Black Suit at the start because the symbiote will begin as a biological infection acting like a parasite bonding with Peter at the cellular level. The suit can come in the third act or until Spidey's next appearance in Secret Wars. The film will also set up Mac Gargan as the MCU's future Venom as a slow-cook villain instead of a one and done in the same film.