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It stands to reason that it did, so he'd have been crippling himself along with everyone else, right?

Re-posting my post from /MCUTheories:

That scene in the trailer in which Doom flies out of the window and does some freaky shit in the air before landing. This snapshot of it reminds me of Loki time slipping and then it occurred to me he could also be dream walking like Strange and Wanda did. He's intentionally exacerbating the incursions and accelerating the destruction.

We know there's at least a couple Doom costumes that we've seen in the trailers/F4. Whether it's one Doom doing wardrobe changes or different Dooms is unclear.

Then there's a couple more scenes in the trailer that look different with this theory in mind.

Sue Storm: "...he used to be different." - He could be changed by the events ("everything he loved was taken from him") AND he could literally be changed by a variant Doom taking over him.

Reed Richards: "Victor, did you do this?" and he looks at him with a pensive blank stare...because maybe its not even Reed's Victor and this one is looking at just another poor little Reed that doesn't understand what is going on.

A version of him could be dream walking into specific moments in time (using time slipping logic) so imagine that scene in the trailer again. Doom is booted out of the window and as he's falling, another Doom takes over, lands, and takes it from there. He can re-do every single moment in which a variant of his is losing, and do it differently. Might not even be a single Doom but a whole...council, working in tandem.

Doom takes over Loki's throne (not sure what Loki's fate is but I'm sure it ain't good) and has a direct view of every single multiversal timeline which is how he can see exactly which moment and where to jump into and take over. Each variant he jumps into is a sort of Doombot in that he is operating them all remotely, in a way.

Alright now talk amongst yourselves.

just watched the movie for the second time and noticed she told spidey she switched majors from bio something to aerospace and made me wonder if that plays into the secret wars end credit scene. thoughts?

Erskine's formula for Cap has never been truly replicated. Other's have created similar formulas with varying degrees of efficacy, but his formula hasn't been duplicated. They've been missing a key ingredient. Cap's shield used an ingredient from Wakanda. What if the formula did too?

Sergei Kravenoff was injured while on safari in Africa. A witch gave him a potion using unknown ingredients that not only healed him, but made him FAR more formidable. We don't know any ingredients used, but Wakanda IS in Africa.

I think one of the ingredients in the formula that made Cap and the potion that made Kraven is the Heart Shaped Herb that gives the members of T'Challa's family their abilities. It would explain the similarities in their capabilities, while the differences can be chalked up to each of their formulas individual imgredients. Maybe the witch who healed Kraven was Wakandan, or at least lived close enough to find a sample of the Herb. Erskine could have gotten some when the Weapon Plus program got their hands on Vibranium for Cap's shield.

Is it plausible?

Anyone else wondering if doom wont even take his mask off in doomsday? They never acknowledge RDJ playing him and its just treated as another character?

Just rewatched Endgame (man it just doesn't hit like that anymore - although Brand New Day was superb).

It did get me thinking though... For Old Cap to show up at the end of Endgame in all his CGI wrinkled glory - he had to have survived everything in between right?

Thoughts ?

Let me preface this by saying that I am in no way a marvels/avengers stan. I have seen the movies, I enjoy them, but I wouldn't say they're my favourite. However, these leaks sound so outrageous, I'm surprised not many people seem to be questioning them. To list a few

1. Loki going back in time to take Steve and his family to earth 828 - When Steve goes back in time and lives with Peggy that, under Endgame's established time-travel rules, should create a branched timeline. If Loki is there because theyre genuinely pruning the branched timelines, that would mean that this is before the God of Stories Loki - and where the hell would that fit in the Loki TV series? When did Loki have time to do all this before becoming the protector of Free Will? Also - Why Steve? Loki is holding an effectively infinite Multiverse. Why personally rescue Steve and his family? “Because Steve made a branch” isn't enough. There needs to be something uniquely important about Steve, his branch, or his role in what's coming. And if he knows whats coming, why would he move them to 828 if moving them to 828 is supposedly what causes/triggers the incursion?
2. Doom convincing them (and the audience) that he's trying to stop the incursions - this I find particularly stupid. I understand that we've seen scenes from the trailer featuring Reed Richards feeling betrayed by him, which would imply that he trusted him in the movie to some degree, but trying to convince the entire audience that DOOM doesn't have an ulterior motive is crazy. EVEN if they play the movie out in a way where the audience is made to keep guessing when the betrayal or the real plan reveal will happen, it would just be a I told you so moment. I really don't believe the past Avengers movies have given us confidence that the writers are story telling geniuses or that they could pull this off. Also - this is already a major departure from Hickman's story because even in the comics Reed Richards and Doom pursue 2 different solutions to the incursion crisis and are never on the same team. Which is why it seems really odd that for half the movie Doom is playing along with them as a good guy, when we know exactly what he's up to - that would be really dumb imo.

Im happy to be educated on the leaks if there are people who think it's plausible, but they would really have to be strong story telling arguments for me to believe them.

Title. Just like with He Who Remains, we will meet our Loki presumably after eons of holding the time throne. At some point Loki realized the current structure he’s maintaining still suppresses or erases large-scale mutant existence across most of time.

He engineers one specific confrontation with Doom (who is the only other being strong enough to allow mutants) knowing Doom will seize the position. I believe this was our Loki’s only option just like with He Who Remains. Loki steps aside or lets himself be overwritten so a new order can form; one that includes mutants as a permanent feature.

That’s my theory, I’ll be back in four months.

Posting this at 3 am for some reason, but I’m fully convinced that Doom wins in the next two Avengers movies.

Doomsday ends with him creating Battleworld, which will be the soft reboot that everyone is expecting of the MCU.

Secret Wars will be internal conflicts between the different regions, with a select few heroes regaining their memories/already having them and challenging Doom. Doom permanently kills these characters.

The movie ends with Doom upon his throne. He’ll be lurking in the background for years to come. Our next team-up film will be some sort of Avengers and the X-Men: Annihilation or whatever title they choose.

The reasons I believe this are as follows:

— Gives us more than two movies of Doom

— Establishes him as a bigger threat than Thanos could ever dream to be

— Allows new and old continuities to coexist

— Doom can lurk in the background of each ensuing movie, just as Thanos did for 5 years

— Avoids repeating the IW/Endgame formula of a loss in the first movie and undoing things in the second movie

Thoughts?

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One theory I actually think could work really well is Professor X helping Bob (Sentry) control the Void during the Sentinel battle.

Bob's biggest limitation is his inability to safely use Sentry without risking the Void taking over. Charles could enter Bob's mind and help him gain control over it.

There is even comic precedent for this, i.e Emm Frost entering Sentry's mind and helping him contain the Void.

My theory is that RDJ’s Doctor Doom is actually a Tony Stark variant who became Victor von Doom instead of Iron Man. The MCU has spent years establishing the multiverse and showing that variants can have completely different names, appearances, lives, and identities, so Victor genuinely being Victor von Doom doesn’t necessarily mean he can’t also be a Tony variant. Tony’s entire arc also makes this work thematically. In Age of Ultron, Wanda shows him his greatest fear, which is seeing the Avengers dead and being told by Steve that he could have saved them if he had done more. That fear is what pushes Tony toward creating Ultron and trying to build a suit of armor around the world. Tony has always had the ingredients that could create Doom: genius, ego, trauma, obsession with protecting Earth, and the belief that he sees threats other people don’t. Our Tony eventually learns that he can’t control everything and ultimately sacrifices himself to save everyone. An alternate Tony could reach the opposite conclusion and decide that the only way to save everyone is to control everything, which is basically Doom’s philosophy. The RDJ casting makes even more sense this way because Marvel could have cast anyone as Victor von Doom. Instead they brought back the actor whose face is synonymous with the MCU during the Multiverse Saga. It would also be weird as hell if Peter, Thor, Banner, Strange, and everyone else who knew Tony saw Doom’s face and nobody acknowledged that he looks exactly like Tony. Imagine Peter seeing Doom unmasked and thinking Tony somehow came back, while Doom has no idea who Peter is. Then Doom eventually learns that another version of himself existed as Tony Stark, was loved by the Avengers, saved the universe, and sacrificed himself doing it. That would make Tony and Doom two completely different outcomes of the same person. Tony believed saving the world eventually meant sacrificing himself. Doom believes saving the world means everyone else sacrificing their freedom. That gives RDJ playing Doom an actual narrative purpose instead of just being stunt casting. It isn’t confirmed that Doom is a Tony variant, but with the multiverse, Tony’s established character arc, and Marvel deliberately bringing RDJ back as the main villain, I think there is a strong chance the connection is intentional.

What I don’t get is if an incursion is the main issue with Doom and F4 having history with Doom, wouldn’t F4 universe also be destroyed?

Unless Doom arrived to F4 universe broken