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Do you think many assume others are in debt as a coping mechanism ?

Throughout the years I’ve heard many examples of this… Someone will say “how does that person afford such a nice car!” Or “man they have such a nice boat, or RV or XYZ hobby!” And the typically reply usually ends up being “they have a ton of debt” or “they make payments on everything”

It’s always some reply in which it’s presumed the individual is just terrible with money or in massive debt, it’s never just the simple fact that yeah, that person just makes a shitload of money, the end.

Are some people in debt? Yes of course. But at the same time, there are genuine families who make 2,3,4,500k a year in household income and it just is what it is.

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u/Astimar — 3 days ago

Why does it seem like the generally accepted default college payment plan is just get a mortgage-sized loan ?

It seems like the default option for college is just go take out a mortgage sized loan at 18 years old and have fun paying it back.

No one ever seems to talk about alternative paths (aside from your parents paying for it)

For example you can join the military and get free college, I know some are against that path, which is fine, and in which case employer reimbursement is another avenue that it seems like no one even knows exist.

I graduated highschool and got a entry level corporate desk job, company I worked for offered college tuition reimbursement as one of their random benefits, well I ended up getting my bachelors and my masters 100% for free just from work paying for it.

Whenever I tell people that, most don’t even know it’s an option or that it’s something many places offer.

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u/Astimar — 3 days ago
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How much are you comfortable transferring online in one transaction?

I have most of my nest egg sitting in an account I've been collecting about 4.4% for the past six months, which will expire on October 15th.

I currently bank with about 5 physical banks and typically prefer sitting with a banker to open HYSAs or CDs so I can leave with a paper (and a folder) with all the details.

The best deal I see now is via ETrade - 4.25% guaranteed for six months plus an $800 bonus for over $100k. I'm a middle-aged Gen Xer and not extremely comfortable clicking a deposit of about twice that much.

I realize that people transfer many millions online every day. My own brother invested $400k online all at once, probably a few times, but he makes beaucoup bucks and would sue the platform if something glitched.

Anyway, I'm asking if readers here would be comfortable transferring your "life savings" just by clicking buttons. I'm assuming nearly a 100% Yes response.

u/Apprehensive-Bug1191 — 5 days ago

What is/will be the Millennial/Gen Z version of the timeshare?

I just heard a radio ad for a service to get rid of your timeshare. Nowadays, it seems like an old cliché that these are fun but ultimately bad investments (or outright scams). What do you think is the 2026 equivalent of a timeshare?

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u/wis91 — 11 days ago

Keeping a car 10 years instead of 6: I ran it 10,000 times against real market history. The holding period alone is worth about $165k by 65. A cheaper car on top of it, $656k.

I built a simulator for this, so the numbers are mine, not a blog's.

Two people, 25, same salary. One buys a new $50k SUV every 6 years. The other keeps theirs 10 years. Whoever pays less in a month invests the difference in a plain 80/20 index fund. Trade-ins are counted (35% of the price back at 6 years, 15% at 10), loans at today's average rate, $100 a month set aside for repairs once the car is out of warranty, everything in today's dollars after inflation. Then each life is run 10,000 times against 40-year stretches pulled from real market history since 1871, including the Depression, the 1970s, 2000 and 2008.

Same SUV, just kept 10 years instead of 6: the keeper is ahead by $165,000 at 65 in the median run, and ahead in all 10,000 runs. The worst 1-in-100 market still leaves a $43,000 gap.

Cheaper car ($28k compact) kept 10 years vs the new SUV every 6: $656,000 ahead in the median run. Worst 1-in-100 market: $158,000.

If the new-SUV person pays the actual US average new-car payment every month ($765, Experian) instead of the trade-in version, it's $881,000. That's the version in the chart: the green fan is all 10,000 runs, the amber line is one of them, the bars are the unlucky 10%, the median and the lucky 10%.

The part that surprised me is how late it happens. Year 10 the account is around $60k and looks pointless. Year 12 it loses a quarter of its value in one autumn. The crossover, where the account earns more in a year than the car money going in, is around year 20. The car stops mattering after that.

What it doesn't know: whether the SUV person invests too (then the gap is just the car money), whether an old car breaks worse than $100 a month, and whether you'd keep transferring the money for 40 years. Most people don't.

What's your car payment, and how long have you had the car? I'll run the most common answer.

Edited: Really appreciate everyone response so I have made a Video version (Educational Purpose) for you guys (one of the 10,000 lives, year by year, 6 minutes): https://youtu.be/buGAlCyGSAE

u/Particular_Row_4317 — 12 days ago

New Vs Used Cars, Cash or Financed over 40 years

I wanted to see what the classic advice, "buy a 3-year-old car with cash," is really worth over a lifetime. So I ran four versions of the same life through a year-by-year simulator.

- Age 22 to 62, earning $62,000/yr (about the US median for full-time workers), with no raises beyond inflation
- $1,500/mo rent plus about $2,350/mo of everyday spending. That leaves roughly 8% of take-home pay to invest, before any car costs.
- No debt. Starts with $26,200 cash (the price of one new car). Everything left over is invested at 6.5%/yr.
- All amounts in today's dollars

The car: the average of the five best-selling sedans in the U.S. (Camry, Civic, Corolla, Accord, Elantra)

- New: $26,200 (2026 average price paid, base trims)
- 3 years old: $20,700 (about 79% of new)
- Trade-ins at 15% under resale value: $14,900 for a 5-year-old car bought new, $12,000 for an 8-year-old car bought used
- Repairs: two $1,000 repairs per new car, three per used car
- Every version replaces its car every 5 years (8 cars total) and still owns one at 62

Financed versions: 3-year loans at prime-credit rates (6.15% new, 7.4% used). The first car is financed with $0 down. After that, the trade-in is the only down payment.

Takeaways

- Used beat new either way. Paying cash for used ended about $100k ahead of paying cash for new.
- Cash beat financing for both new and used. Even so, financing a used car still beat paying cash for a new one.
- The interest itself was small: about $10k over 40 years for each financed path. The real cost is what that money would have grown to, which turns about $10k of interest into a gap of about $40k.

Caveats: Insurance and gas are the same in every version. Toyotas and Hondas hold their value unusually well, which shrinks the used-car discount. Real dealer promo rates (0.9–3.9%) would make new-car financing look better. Interest rates vary person to person. Prices are base trims, and most people buy a trim or two up. Inflation and wage growth are assumed equal.

The tool: I ran this in A Million of Me, a free financial simulator that runs in your browser. You set up a starting point, add life events (here, car purchases and repairs), and compare branches side by side. Disclosure: I built it. It's a simulator, not financial advice.

Sources: car prices from TrueCar; depreciation from CarEdge and iSeeCars; loan rates from Experian and Bankrate.

u/NeonZapdos — 11 days ago

Back to work after 8 months out, and it completely recalibrated my sense of wealth

Prior to being laid off back in January, we had just dumped 105K out of pocket into a backyard pool, with the full intention of recouping a good % with an upcoming annual bonus.

Was laid off a week before the bonus paid out…

I always thought save, spend, save spend. Never before had it occurred to me in this current economy I’d loose my job and be unable to do so.

Just started a new job this week, 195K.

But man do I have PTSD from this past year of surviving.

What advise or best practices should I put into place moving forward?

Edit: Folks keep asking, I’m a mid 30s IT guy, senior role, individual contributor. Passionate about what I do, and I’ve done it since high school, no college.

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u/Legal_Audience_4931 — 13 days ago

Cash-Strapped Americans Tap Home Equity and AI to Keep Spending

To maintain their lifestyles amid rising prices, consumers are drawing on resources including food banks and ChatGPT.

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u/bloomberg — 12 days ago

Is it okay to pause retirement savings and 529s to rebuild Emergency Fund and sinking fund?

We got hit by a series of expenses and, while our, EF is not empty it's rather low — 2/3 of where it should be. Our Sinking Fund is just straight depleted.

If I redirect our retirement savings and 529s contributions I'll have both fully funded by Jan 15, 2027. I get 8% direct contribution toward my retirement from employer, with no match necessary so that's still going in.

Is this a wise approach?

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u/ShootinAllMyChisolm — 11 days ago

I ran the same $1M / 4% / 60-40 retirement setup 10,000 times using block-bootstrapped Shiller data instead of sequential history. 94% survived, and the failures weren’t what I expected.

Most of the tools people use here (cFIREsim, FICalc, Trinity) replay historical data in sequence: start in 1871, then 1872, and so on. Those roughly 125 windows overlap heavily, so a lot of them end up using the same years. I wanted to see what happens when you break that sequence.

The setup: $1M, 60/40 US stocks and bonds, rebalanced annually. $40k withdrawn in year 1, then increased with inflation every year after. 0.1% fees. 30-year retirement. Data comes from Shiller’s annual US stock, bond, and CPI series from 1871 to 2025, using real returns. Each simulation stitches together six randomly selected 5-year blocks of real historical data, and blocks are allowed to repeat. 10,000 runs total. No Social Security, no taxes.

Results: 94.0% of the runs made it through all 30 years. Median ending balance was $1.79M in today’s dollars. The earliest failure happened in year 14, and 499 of the 603 failures occurred between years 22 and 30.

What surprised me most: 580 of the 603 failed runs included either 1916 to 1920 or 1973 to 1981 somewhere in the 30-year period. 1929 and 2008 barely appear. A sharp market crash followed by a recovery doesn’t seem to be what destroys a 60/40 portfolio with real-dollar withdrawals. The bigger problem is a 5 to 9-year stretch where stocks go nowhere, bonds fail to keep up with inflation, and withdrawals continue rising with CPI.

I also tested two variants: lowering the starting withdrawal to $35k raises survival to 97.4%. Keeping the $40k withdrawal but cutting spending by 10% after any bad year, then restoring it once the portfolio balance recovers, raises survival to 96.3%. So a rule you could realistically follow during a rough decade adds about 2 percentage points without requiring a permanent spending cut.

A few caveats: block bootstrapping can randomly select the same bad period more than once, which is harsher than actual history, so the 94% figure is probably slightly pessimistic compared with sequential tools, which are usually around 95 to 96% for this setup. Also, Shiller’s bond data uses a 10-year Treasury proxy rather than a total bond market index.

My question: if long inflationary stretches are the bigger failure mode and major crashes mostly aren’t, does that change how you’d structure the bond allocation? I haven’t tested TIPS because the historical series doesn’t go back far enough. Happy to test other withdrawal rates or asset allocations if people are interested.

Happy to run the same analysis for other withdrawal rates or allocations too.

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u/Particular_Row_4317 — 13 days ago

Am I spending too much on lifestyle upgrades

Over the past year, I’ve started becoming more interested in quality/luxury stuff and upgrading my lifestyle.

In January 2026, I bought a pair of ASICS shoes for around ₹17K and a Titan watch for ₹3K. Now, whenever I go to the gym or for a run, I usually end up buying Adidas clothes/shoes. Earlier, I never really cared about perfumes, but I started with Adil Qadri attar and now I’m looking at some premium perfumes. I’m also thinking about getting a better watch and eventually a good bike.

Basically, I feel like I’m slowly upgrading my lifestyle and becoming more conscious about what I wear, use, and buy.

The thing is, I’m 26 and currently earning around ₹7 LPA as a software engineer. I spend roughly ₹10K per month on things like clothes, shoes, protein, gym, grooming, etc. I can afford it, but I’m wondering whether I should increase this spending as my income grows or keep it around ₹10K/month until my package improves significantly.

Recently, I watched Raj Shamani’s podcasts on watches and perfumes, and it got me even more interested in these things.

I’m curious how you guys look at this. Is spending on lifestyle upgrades at this stage a healthy part of enjoying life and improving yourself, or should I be more conservative with my spending until my income increases?

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u/running_gym_travell — 12 days ago