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I finally paid off my car and somehow it still doesn’t feel cheap to own

I made my last car payment in March and thought I was about to feel a huge difference in my budget.

For context it’s a 2018 Subaru Outback. Nothing exciting, just a practical car I bought used a few years ago because I needed something for work, groceries, winter driving, all that normal adult stuff.

The payment being gone definitely helps, but now that I’m actually tracking the numbers, I’m still spending way more than I expected. Insurance went up again, registration was more than I remembered, I had to do brakes last month, tires are coming soon, and every little appointment at the shop is somehow $300 before they even find anything serious.

I have some money saved up, so none of this is ruining me, but it’s annoying realizing that even after the loan is gone, the car still has its own little rent payment in my life.

I always thought paying it off would make the car feel almost free to keep around. Instead it feels more like I just unlocked the next level of expenses.

Do people actually budget a monthly amount for car maintenance after it’s paid off, or do you just deal with it when stuff comes up?

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u/Life-Carry-6001 — 1 day ago
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I have an astronomically cheap living situation right now, but still want to buy a house in 2028-2029. What should I do and/or am I being realistic?

[Long text post dropping here, apologies in advance].

Hey everyone, I'm a single 26M live in a MCOL region (Minneapolis-St. Paul) and am renting a house with 3 roommates while making a pretty good salary. As a result, I have an absurdly cheap living situation, but because I don't want to live with roommates forever, I would like to target buying a house a few years from now - most likely in late 2028 or early 2029. I'm well aware that moving from a rental with 3 roommates to a solo homeowner will substantially increase my cost of living, but I do think it will be worthwhile in the long run. I want to know - are these goals attainable or am I being unrealistic?

For some background about me, I'm currently a mechanical engineer working at an architecture firm. I started working here in January 2022, and while I don't have my PE license yet, I am eligible to take the exam (I just have to file the paperwork and then get to studying aggressively). I graduated in December 2021 with about $24k in student loans (which I aggressively paid off as of July 2024), and then I bought a used 2023 Prius LE in July 2025 and finished paying that off in January 2026 (about $34k in total). I have three credit cards, but I pay the balance off every month to farm rewards (I've never once paid interested), so I am completely debt free as of right now. Credit score is about 770. Gross salary is $89,400 USD plus $3.5-4k bonus given in December.

It's worth noting that I am able to take public transit to the office (15 minute bus ride only) or work remotely (we're hybrid) - when I have to visit construction sites several times per month, my company reimburses mileage. Most of my other day-to-day driving comes from errands, music/band related things, and social outings. Between low driving frequencies and driving a Prius, I will sometimes "spend" a net-negative amount of money on gas every month.

The only major expense I foresee in the next few years (outside of buying a house) is in Fall 2027 I want to take a "Lower 48 Road Trip" to meet up with as many of my non-local friends as I can and sight see a bunch of national parks and stuff (I've notably never been to the West Coast). I still need to sort out exact details with that for how much to save for, but I would be taking extended unpaid leave from my job for this (6-8 weeks) and living off of my savings. I figured I should do this while I have nothing "tying me down" (not owning a home, having pets or a family, etc.) - since I don't think I'll ever get an opportunity like this again. Almost all my other traveling I do is to various gaming/nerd conventions a few times per year - but I'm often performing and/or staffing at those, so I'm still "working" and not really taking a mental break.

Currently enrolled in my company's health insurance, HSA, and 401k (both traditional and Roth) with a 6% match into traditional. I have enrolled in the 401k as soon as I could (April 2022), but because I was on my parents' insurance until last year, the HSA is only a few months old. And because I put so much into my company's Roth 401k, I didn't open up a Roth IRA until last month - so I'm "behind" on those two accounts. However, my overall 401k situation feels pretty good (although it could always be better). I've read through the "you should never invest in a Roth 401k" thread and don't really get it quite frankly as my Roth 401k has served me decently well and since I'm in the 22% federal bracket (and 6.8% Minnesota bracket), I figured I'd do as much post-tax contributing as I can.

I by and large like my job situation. A 15 minute bus commute, work that doesn't make me want to rip my hair out (barring a few deadline weeks every year), coworkers that are good, and a boss I like working for are almost impossibly hard to beat. However, I don't want to actively seek a promotion at this company. Despite it coming with a salary bump and ability to receive company equity (private firm), I do not want to pursue management at all. I know that with my personality type I would be miserable, and would rather maintain my mental health at the expense of my salary.

I'm well aware that I kind of have a "golden goose" living situation that I try not to take for granted (this is especially magnified by a lot of my friends being in creative/artistic fields... and they're not doing great financially - but that's not my business otherwise). One of the reasons I want to own a home is so I can build a fully decked out music recording studio room, and generally just have my own space for things. For my own private space, I currently have a 9'x 10' room which is jam packed with instruments and a lofted bed... which is not really sustainable for things long term (especially as I approach my 30s). So yeah, purely from a financial perspective, I should remain in this living situation as long as I can until I can afford to buy a home in cash - but I'm being selfish and don't care.


The Numbers

I've posted some rough number summaries here, but if anyone wants to see a raw screenshot of my complete budget, here you go.

The way this budget works is I allocate each category a tentative number - but then use a second spreadsheet tab for tracking the complete expense. That value is almost never the same as the allocated budget, but things balance out in the end. On the last day of the month, everything unspent then goes into my "savings" tab - which is split between my HYSA and Roth IRA depending on what feels right.

All values posted here are monthly except car insurance (semiannual). All prices in USD.

Main Flat Expenses

  • Rent: $612.50/person
  • Water and Trash: Included with Rent
  • Internet: $25/person - but might change when switch providers later this month
  • Car Insurance: ~$700 paid every six months

Variable Required Expenses

  • Electric: Variable, but generally $75-125/person per month
  • Natural Gas: Variable, but generally $75-125/person per month
  • Groceries: $350-400
  • Gas/Parking/Wash: $60, but can go negative if I'm reimbursed with work a lot that month

Non-Required Expenses

  • Hobbies (eating out, music/instrument related expenses, gaming, artwork commissions, conventions and traveling, etc.): $650 but actual number varies depending on what I'm doing that month
  • Subscriptions: $30 to $100 variable, as I pay in 6 month increments that don't always line up
  • Miscellaneous Expenses: $250-400 depending on what is "leftover" on my spreadsheet

Sinking Funds (These are not separate accounts, but are a tab I track on the spreadsheet to replenish with my HYSA; expenses higher than this would qualify for my Emergency Fund).

  • Medical/Dental: $3000
  • Auto Repair/Maintenance: $1500

Savings: $500 to $1200 depending on how much I actually spend that month. Sinking funds get replenished before I fund my HYSA and/or Roth IRA. I notably have had a ton of medical related expenses in the past 12 months, so that hasn't been fun to deal with.


Here are my current account balances. I have been enrolled in my 401k for about 4 years now, but the other accounts are newer than that. I started off with 6% Roth 401k and 2% Traditional 401k contribution, but have stepped those up as I finished paying off my other debts (student loans and car purchase). I like to think I haven't fallen victim to lifestyle creep yet, but I can't view my own situation in an unbiased manner. One reason why I prioritized the Roth 401k instead of a Roth IRA is because I don't see it hit my bank account at all, so I can't spend what I don't have access to.

Current Account Balances

  • Traditional 401k (My contributions): $16.3k (4% of paycheck)
  • Traditional 401k (Employer match): $26.8k (6% match)
  • Roth 401k (My contributions): $40.9k (15% of paycheck)
  • HSA: $1150 (100% FXAIX)
  • Roth IRA: $1000 (75% FXAIX, 25% FZILX)
  • Emergency Fund: $5.2k (Sits in a Fidelity money market account and collects SPAXX - I don't touch this at all otherwise)
  • HYSA: $10.5k (American Express 3.1%)
  • Checking/Savings: $3.6k

I did a quick search, and single-family home prices here in the Twin Cities are roughly $350-400k. And I don't know how things will look in a few years, but 6.5-7.0% interest rates going around right now make me want to puke. I'd want them to wait to go below 6.0% at least.

One thing I could do is try to find a new job to increase my income, but I know the job market is abysmally bad in 2026, and leaving a stable gig like this seems like a dangerous gamble. The objectively right decision to do is get my PE license and then see what happens from there, but I'm not sure beyond that at this time. I've also had grad school in the back of my mind for the past few years - but I will only do that if I find a company that pays for it for me (my current company doesn't pay for grad school) - but that is another thing I will have to do some heavy thinking about (my long term goal is to be an acoustician/consultant).

Because I want to build a music studio (noise levels/restrictions), buying a condo or a townhome is off the table for me entirely. And because I want to do a lot of DIY work, I'm wondering if it would be better to forgo buying a "starter" home and instead jump immediately to a "forever" home. The studio would serve as a passion project and/or side business LLC for me which could theoretically become my retirement/coasting job.

Another big thing I've seen around here is "don't buy a home until you get married." I've never been in a relationship before, so I don't want to bank on this happening since finding a partner is not something that's 100% in my control. If it happens, it happens of course (and that would be a deep conversation with my partner), but I want to ensure I can handle everything on my own for planning purposes, without a second income supplementing it. Because I don't know if I'll ever get married, having kids is not a certainty for me either.

So yeah, I need a reality check if people here think owning a home by 2028/2029 is doable for me. And if yes, what do I need to do to attain it? Should I reduce my retirement contributions to the absolute minimum (6% traditional for match, 0% Roth 401k)? Should I abandon the road trip plan to maximize my savings? Do I need to job hop for an income increase? Should I reduce my hobby spending? On paper it looks like I'm saving a lot (over 30% of my gross income typically - for June 2026 it notably was 43%), but I feel like I could be doing better. Any advice here would be greatly appreciated.

u/Sean081799 — 2 days ago

Car payments hit record $777 a month, down payments shrink

Average U.S. monthly car payments reached a record $777 in the second quarter, with almost a quarter of buyers opting for loans of seven years — or longer.

More than a fifth of new car buyers took on loans of $1,000 or more, according to car shopping site Edmunds.

The average financed amount also hit a record high of $44,156, while down payments fell 10% year-over-year.

Rising vehicle costs have seen buyers owing more on cars than they're worth and defaulting on loans.

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u/LinkedInNews — 3 days ago

One more daycare payment

We had been doing alright, but things have been getting tighter and tighter the last few months. We paid the daycare today. We have one more payment for August. Then we're on to public kindergarten. We're going to have to pay for after school care, but we should have at least a thousand dollars a month of the daycare expense that will be back in our pockets. We're increasing 401k contributions immediately, but I'm hoping I can feel like we have an ounce of breathing room again. Cannot wait for compensation adjustments later this year

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u/mixedmediamadness — 3 days ago

Does anyone else feel like they're winging it financially even though they "should" have it figured out by now?

I'm 40+ man with a wife, two young kids, aging parents, and a career that keeps me busy enough that I barely have time to think about money beyond paying bills.

I've read a few books, I know the basics (max 401k, index funds, emergency fund), but I still feel like I'm just... guessing? Like there's some roadmap everyone else got that I missed. I don't even know if I'm doing things in the right order.

Did anyone else feel this way? What actually helped you get clarity on where you stood and what to focus on next?

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u/Houdiniwashereagain — 3 days ago

Where do middle class people over and underspend for their budget ?

Based on your experience, where do people overspend and underspend for their budget.

For me,

Overspending: cars, eating out

Underspend: BIFL items in kitchen/clothes/shoes

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u/Professional_Eye6140 — 3 days ago

Career and life transitions

Hi all! 30yo, $99k government salary, 140k in TSP, 40k elsewhere but very little is liquid. No kids or debt. No mortgage. About to marry a mid-career military officer. Also about to commission myself.

Both income and expenses are about to go waaaay down in the military. I’m seeking advice for how to arrange finances accordingly- max TSP? Liquid savings for the next car?

Any military folks wish they would have done something differently when they started out or in your 30s? Perks or cons of dual-mil marriage?

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u/flymysi — 3 days ago

The biggest financial mistake I see isn't overspending. It's spending future money.

I used to think the biggest money mistake was buying expensive things.

I don't think that anymore.

The biggest mistake is spending money you haven't earned yet.

Every EMI, BNPL purchase or unnecessary loan quietly takes away a part of your future salary.

Then one day your paycheck arrives...

...and half of it already belongs to decisions you made months ago.

Financial freedom isn't just about earning more.

It's about making sure your future income is still yours.

Curious if anyone else has changed the way they think about EMIs over time.

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u/Potential_Jello5126 — 3 days ago

I feel weirdly guilty upgrading normal stuff even though I can afford it

My wife and I are doing okay on paper. Not rich, not struggling, just very regular middle class. Mortgage is paid on time, 401ks are getting funded, no credit card debt, emergency fund is sitting in a HYSA.

But I have this weird mental block with replacing things that technically still work.

Our couch is 11 years old and has one cushion that sinks so bad everyone avoids that seat. Our dishwasher sounds like a lawn mower. My work shoes have been resoled twice and now squeak on tile floors. None of these things are emergencies, so I keep telling myself it would be dumb to spend money on them.

The thing is, we actually saved money for house/life upgrades this year. Like specifically set aside, not touching retirement or emergency savings money that came from Ѕtake. But now that it is time to use it, I keep acting like buying a normal couch is some reckless luxury purchase.

I grew up in a house where everything was used until it fully died, so maybe that is part of it. My parents were not poor, but money was always treated like it could disappear any second. I think I absorbed that more than I realized.

How do you decide when something is worth replacing before it becomes a crisis? Do you have a rule for this or do you just eventually get tired enough and buy the thing?

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u/DescriptionWaste8633 — 5 days ago

How do you set actual financial goals that arent just "save more money"? I feel like Im saving randomly with no target.

my wife and I both work, combined about $120k. we have a 6 month emergency fund, both contribute to our 401ks, no debt besides the mortgage. on paper were doing fine.

but if you asked me "whats your financial goal" I honestly couldnt give you a specific answer. its just "save more" and "invest when we can." we dont have a number or a deadline for anything. it feels like were on autopilot but I have no idea if autopilot is taking us somewhere good.

how do you guys set real financial goals? like actual numbers and dates, not just vibes?

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u/Taimuar — 6 days ago

Doesnt seem like im getting engaged anytime soon

27f, 26m - he has $40k in credit card debt. We went to look at engagement rings last fall. Every time the ring conversation comes up, he reminds me that he has cc debt he needs to get rid of before he can buy a ring. Fair enough, right? Because as a married couple I would assume all his debt.

I keep asking him his plan to get rid of the debt, we even moved into a smaller apartment for this rzn. Im annoyed to say the least bc we both make $200k a year (140k base $60k in bonus). We have an excellent income as a DINK couple.

Is there anything i can do? 🫠

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u/Content-Lemon-6671 — 7 days ago

Honest question about middle/upper middle monthly budgets: how are we accounting for drugs and alcohol?

Nobody’s sankey drawings accounts for intoxication. The reason I ask is because where I’m from on Long Island, the lines for dispensaries are out the door and around the block as long as they’re open. The soccer moms are regularly drinking a bottle a day, and none of it seems to be accounted for in budgets. A lot of people I know personally are spending between 1-2k a month, and I’m wondering if it’s just a bubble that I’m experiencing.

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u/Adventurous-Depth984 — 7 days ago

Feeling discouraged about my savings

I am turning 18 in a month, and am currently saving up for college. I have about 1,300 saved and work part time. Is that acceptable? My coworkers were making fun of me for having such a small amount saved. I try to save some from my paychecks, but saving is admittedly not easy.

My coworker graduating with me has saved a whopping 13,000, and my older coworker commented that her 20 year old son is worth more than me. They told me I shouldn’t expect my parents to pay for everything, and I’m very spoiled that they’re helping. I am an only child, and my parents have been incredibly kind and willing through this whole process.

My parents are covering my first two years, and I have managed to get a large scholarship covering over half of my tuition. I am incredibly thankful for these things. I’m also planning to work during college and hopefully get an internship.

Am I grossly underprepared? Maybe it bruised my ego more than anything.

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u/Dense-Umpire6968 — 6 days ago

Seniors turn to home-sharing to offset rising living costs

Seniors are turning to home-sharing programs as a means to offset rising living costs, reduce loneliness and age in place at home, The New York Times reports.

“It’s like online dating, except that people who have rooms can meet people who need rooms,” explains HomeShare Oregon's executive director Candice Smith.

Arrangements can include a “service exchange,” in which renters pitch in on labor-intensive chores like snow shoveling.

Legislative efforts are also underway to support these arrangements, which can help alleviate housing shortages without new home construction.

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u/LinkedInNews — 6 days ago

Financial Priorities- After debt what next?

Im 29, currently in a bit of an odd financial situation due to some unexpected expenses, medical costs, returning to school, moving states and some just plain stupid financial decision sprees on my end.

Quickly blew through any savings from my old job and ended up with 19K CC debt (now down to "only" 10k after a year) plus about 30k left in car and student loans left (both around 4.5% interest).

Currently have about 100k saved in retirement accounts, in steady, enjoyable work (~90K year, have been told I have a strong chance for a promotion to an extra 25k, but not guaranteed) plus has a pension tied to it.

Current priority is paying off CC debt, then funneling that money into a rebuilt emergency fund.

Really wanting to move to a house since rent has been increasing at 10% last couple years, but not sure if its more prudent to max out 401k over something like house saving. IRA gets maxed every year I can, only missed a few due to being in school or dealing with the debt this year.

Even now, my current rental is about $1400, average mortgage (for a house that would be a space upgrade from current situation) looks to be around $2200-2800 mortage, not even including repairs/maintaince. Car and student loans are both low enough in interest that I'm not concerned with prioritizing them, with car loan is being paid off next year as scheduled.

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u/zimbledwarf — 4 days ago