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Despite the downfall of The Boys, I want to praise the series' most well-written character
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Despite the downfall of The Boys, I want to praise the series' most well-written character

Pretty much every character in the series is improved from the comics. But the biggest examples IMO is A-Train. A-Train starts the series running through Hughie's girlfriend Robin Ward. While it was an accident done when he was high on Compound V, we're later shown him laughing it off with a friend. Throughout the rest of the season, we learn other horrible things about him like how he gave Compound V to terrorists and even see him kill his girlfriend Popclaw, even if both of these were done under Homelander's orders and due to pressure than real malice.

But when Hughie and Starlight save his life, and he eventually gives them the files on Stormfront at the end of season 2, we start to believe he's coming around. In season 3, he's shown trying to help black people in the community after his brother Nathan tells him about Blue Hawk. Combined with Homelander constantly abusing him, you'd think he's going to redeem himself by helping Starlight and Supersonic, only for him rat the latter out to Homelander.

But this isn't a moral event horizon but a moment of regression, just like we see in other good redemption arc's (Zuko, Vegeta). Because when Blue Hawk instead cripples his brother Nathan, and A-Train demands justice, Ashley reminds him of how he had no problem when he got away with HIS crimes. A-Train is able to self-reflect because of this and genuinely apologizes to Hughie. He knows what it feels like now. He kills Blue Hawk, fully expecting it to be the end of him. But then he's brought back, know having the latter's heart. Nathan is disgusted with his actions and kicks him out. And he truly sees how much Homelander doesn't care for him when the latter kills Black Noir only to remind the rest he was worth more than ALL of them put together and he doesn't need them.

In season 4, we can see A-Train is changing. He refuses to kill Todd and the other Homelander fans, a far cry from the season 1 A-Train who killed his girlfriend. He helps free the innocent Starlighters with nothing to gain from it. He saves Hughie from Homelander and even gets Compound V so he can save his father despite fully expecting Hughie to never forgive him. And when he saves MM and sees a kid smiling in joy, that's when he realizes how much he likes being a hero. Him exposing himself to save Annie and Butcher and going back for Ashley is a tremendous way of showing his growth. Many agreed while season 4 was the worst season, A-Train's redemption arc was the best part and he absolutely carried the season.

And then we see in Gen V season 2 and season 5 how he's helping Annie in the resistance. Keeping his family safe too. He's finally made amends with his brother. So its >!tragically fitting to see him return to save Hughie and MM, knowing Homelander will target him. When he sees an innocent woman walking across the street, one who looks like Robin, this time A-Train IS running for his life and the woman IS in the middle of the street. But he dodges her, refusing to take another life. Having him stand up to Homelander at the end and laugh in his face was the most badass way he could have gone out. It probably wouldn't even be a stretch to say the show died with him, considering how characters like Black Noir 2 or even Frenchie had death's fans consider unsatisfying and the first episode of season 5 is still the highest rated of the season, largely due to A-Train's conclusion.!<

u/Sudden_Pop_2279 — 13 hours ago

Which TV show is good that you have watched it at least 3 times?

I don’t really rewatch shows often because once I know the plot, I usually move on. But there are a few that somehow never get old for me. I’ve watched Breaking Bad 3 times and somehow caught new details every single rewatch. Same with The Office when I just want something comfortable in the background.

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u/zeltacilveks97 — 4 days ago

Need Show Ideas!

I’ve watched just about everything and need something to hold my attention. I’ve started so many shows this week and they lose me after only 10mins. Here’s a few of my favorites that I’d love to find more like these: Tell Me Lies, Sirens, We were Liars, The Perfect Couple, Sex Life, Pretty Little Liars, Gossip Girl, Shameless. I also love true crime documentaries or shows like true detective. Looking for recommendations on Netflix, hbo max, Hulu or Amazon. I don’t have paramount, Apple TV or peacock. TIA

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u/jenlpaxman — 4 days ago

6 to 8 episodes every 2 years season format is getting exhausting

I genuinely think the whole “6-8 episodes every 2-3 years” model is starting to hurt TV shows more than help them.

By the time a new season finally drops, people either forgot half the plot or just stopped caring altogether. We waited forever for new seasons of shows like Euphoria and Black Mirror, and it completely kills the momentum. TV used to feel alive because you could actually count on shows coming back yearly. Some series even had seasons airing only months apart.

Now it feels like we wait years for what’s basically one long movie split into a handful of episodes. And the worst part is some shows barely get going before the season is already over. The White Lotus and The Last of Us only really hit their stride near the later episodes, then suddenly it’s done and we’re told to come back in another 2 years.

I get that production is bigger now, but this current format just doesn’t feel sustainable long-term. It’s hard staying invested when the gaps are so massive.

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u/No-Albatross-4673 — 5 days ago

Who are show and/or movie couples that you liked when you were younger but now hate that you’re older?

I’m rewatching a lot of things recently.
I’m seeing after entering my 30s my views on a lot of things in the shows and/or movies have changed.
Who are romances you now hate as an older person but liked as a younger person?
For me, in How I Met Your Mother, the rewatch made me see Ted and Robin were bad for each other. Now that I’m older and trying to get married (assuming I’m not already too old to find love) my opinion has shifted. I liked them as a teen. But being older made me realize when Robin said she didn’t want kids, that was a red flag and Ted should’ve stopped right there. Ted wanted kids and Robin didn’t, that’s a make or break value where there’s no compromise.

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u/Wide-Bat-6760 — 9 days ago

how does everyone feel about the boys season five?

feel like they could’ve done it better so far
There are a lot of plots that were forgotten
For instance, what happened to Stan Edgar? Will we see him in the final?
Will we see the deep?
There is only much you can put in one episode.

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u/HodorButLouder — 8 days ago

A new show recommendation

Looking for a TV show to binge — preferably a limited series or something with a strong first season.

Recently finished Mayor of Kingstown and The Day of the Jackal and loved both.
I’ve already watched most of the big classics like Game of Thrones, The Wire, Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, The Walking Dead, etc.

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u/HodorButLouder — 10 days ago
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Juliette Binoche In Courrèges At The 78th Cannes Film Festival.

Juliette Binoche indeed appeared in a Courrèges Pre-Fall 2025 look at the Trophée Chopard ceremony during the 78th Cannes Film Festival, held in May 2025 in Cannes, France.

u/Sea-Comedian-4376 — 11 days ago

Who is the most famous fictional NY cop/detective?

For this question the character needs to be in actual NY, not a city based on NY. So no batman. People who work alongside police are included. Sherlock Holmes would be the easy answer for London.

So who do you have?

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u/Square-Ambassador-77 — 14 days ago

Station Eleven

Am I missing something? I’ve just started rewatching this and loved it the first time round. Why has this been consistently overlooked?

The first episode has some of the finest tension you can ever hope to experience in television.

It no doubt suffered from bad timing. But its handling of the transition to apocalypse is pretty spectacular.

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u/TheeAlteredState — 11 days ago

I do not like Jimmy/Saul or Kim

Lately I find myself always turning on the 2X speed during the lawyer parts, because at this point it's literally the same story over and over and over. Saul/Jimmy is trying to lie to and manipulate someone. I do not like liars or manipulators, and that is literally ALL the character does.

Earlier on in the series, his lies and manipulation often led to outcomes that were tantamount to self-sabotage, and rightfully so. For example, getting those skateboarders to deliberately crash into that woman's vehicle, but it turns out they got the wrong target and ended up facing off against Tuco. Later in seasons 4, 5, and 6 (I just started 6), there seems to be significantly less outcomes that are self-sabotage.

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My favorite example is when Jimmy decided to alter the documents in his brother's possession for the Mese Verde banking client, in order to get his brother to screw up enough to lose the client, so that Mese Verde would go back to being Kim's client.

I'm sure we all know what happened next. Chuck secretly recorded Jimmy admitting that he altered the documents in order to sabotage Chuck. Jimmy found out and got mad at Chuck, leading to a series of events where Jimmy was banned from practicing law for a year.

Let it sink in, that the reason Jimmy was mad at Chuck is because Chuck did not allow Jimmy to get away with lying to and manipulating him (Chuck) to basically destroy his career, which is the most important part of his life.

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It's obvious that this is the event that ultimately led to Chuck committing suicide. Jimmy's actions directly caused his brother to commit suicide.

After Chuck died, Jimmy basically didn't care at all. Sure, Chuck told Jimmy that he never truly cared about Jimmy. But that was completely deserved. If I had a brother like Jimmy, I'd have disowned the piece of garbage decades ago.

Jimmy even used his brother's gravestone to manipulate people into being sympathetic towards him.

Later on, Howard Hamlin offered Jimmy a job. Jimmy responds by throwing bowling balls onto his property to damage his car, and trying to sabotage his professional career by hiring whores to screw with him at a social event.

When Howard confronted Jimmy about this, Jimmy gets mad and implies that it was an insult for Howard to offer him a job after Howard said that he feels some responsibility for Chuck's death (basically, Jimmy blaming Howard for Chuck's death), when Chuck's death was ENTIRELY Jimmy's fault. And again, Jimmy basically took a proverbial shit on Chuck's gravestone.

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Anyway, Kim got her Mese Verde, but eventually she started sidelining them to do pro bono work. It didn't even take long for her to get tired of Mese Verde. She basically started telling them to fuck off, because she's busy with other clients, even though she told them they would be her sole focus.

Eventually she quit her job, completely leaving Mese Verde behind. So the whole thing: Jimmy altering documents so that Kim would get Mese Verde as her sole client, eventually resulting in Chuck killing himself, was all for nothing.

Chuck killed himself over this, and Kim obviously (retrospectively) never even really wanted Mese Verde in the first place.

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After Kim told Howard that she married Jimmy, Howard told her about the vandalism and sabotage that Jimmy conducted upon him (the bowling balls and whores). Somehow, Kim takes this as a personal insult, and she decides to do everything in and beyond her power to completely and utterly destroy Howards life, and everything he has worked for in his entire life. Jimmy is in on it too.

Let that sink in. They are so offended by Howard's casual conversation with them (when he never even said anything wrong), that they are spending months of their time, and a full time job's worth of effort just to completely tear apart everything in his life.

They are planting fake drugs on him, making up false accusations against him. Literally Batman level tactical intricacies in their planning just to destroy this man who has done nothing wrong.

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Yeah, Jimmy and Kim are two of the most vile pieces of fucking shit that I've ever seen in a fictional work.

Even wretched pieces of shit like Frieza, Darth Sidious, The Joker, Voldemort, Pennywise, Reverse Flash, Doctor Doom, Darkseid, All For One, ETC.

All of the above would not go so far to destroy the life of someone who has shown them nothing but kindness, decency, and professionalism.

So great job. Congratulations on creating the most disgusting, vile villains throughout any fictional work in human history. Humanity can persist for the next million years, and still we'd never be capable of creating fictional characters who are more evil and vile than Jimmy and Kim.

 

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u/Traditional-Tip-1151 — 14 days ago