r/NonCredibleDefense

I saw news today, Israel provoked Turkey again?

I’ve been reading Nixon’s books lately…and I think he was right, Vietnamization was close to working, the communist alliance was going to fall apart, and North Vietnams insane economics would have led to South Vietnam outscaling them if it had survived for a few more years.

Just as the founding fathers intended.

The complete Supremacy Task Force of the Galactic Empire's First Order is found exiting hyperspace ten light-years beyond the Oort Cloud and is presently establishing a blockade outside Sol, intending to draw out and engage the strongest fleets of the UN Security Council Orbital Defense Administration (UNSC-ODA), particularly Grand Admiral Juzo Okita’s UN Cosmo Force. In response, Admiral Maximilian Jenius has voluntarily deployed twelve Macross Carrier Task Groups to intercept the First Order and break the siege, leaving the inner system dangerously exposed.

Recognizing the opportunity created by the diversion, Grand Admiral Mitth'raw'nuruodo mobilizes his entire Seventh Fleet (Disney canon sources only) to destroy a key component of the UNSC-ODA in a single stroke. Having studied the capabilities and limitations of some of the most powerful mobile suits ever built, along with extensive operational records, command histories, and psychological profiles of their commanders, Thrawn believes he can exploit the coalition's weaknesses before it can fully respond. Standing in his way is the lightly armed but elite Advance Fleet of the Gundam Coalition (GC-AF). Commanded by a joint brain-trust, including Admiral Bright Noa, Rear Admiral Kati Mannequin, General Treize Khushrenada, President Lacus Clyne, Captain Murrue Ramius and Forecaster Sumeragi Lee Noriega, the GC-AF meet Thrawn, his flagship Chimaera and sister ships Dark Omen and Harbinger, between the orbits of Jupiter and Saturn for negotiations as per Thrawn’s demands. If these diplomatic talks break down, the coalition shall commence attacking at the first sign of resistance from the Imperial 7th Fleet and execute a holding action to prevent a potential pincer maneuver that entraps Admiral Jenius’ Macross Force. It is a battle that is reminiscent of the Battle off Samar, and the desperate fight waged by a small task group of US Navy ships against a much larger Imperial Japanese fleet.

The UNSC-ODA Gundam Coalition-Advanced Fleet has three operational objectives:

1. Decapitation: Eliminate Grand Admiral Thrawn and destroy his command ships (Chimaera, Dark Omen, and Harbinger).
2. Isolation: Sever the Seventh Fleet's communications to prevent intelligence transmission back to Imperial Command.
3. Devastation: Destroy at least 50% of the enemy fleet to inflict psychological shock and cripple their ability to counterattack.

The GC-AF shall field two carrier task groups (CTGs) of three ships, complemented by six mobile suits per ship, inclusive of the pilots for each unit and all necessary staff. All particle systems (Minovsky Particles, GN Particles, and Mirage Colloid) have been made constructively compatible through molecular stability calculations. The quantum superintelligence Veda is also available to all coalition assets, and safeguarded from any Imperial breaching, while facilitating the creation of technological compatibility layers for perfect interoperability across all units. The six ships shall be complemented by newly-procured GNMA-Y0002V Gadelaza units piloted by Anew Returner, Louise Halevy, and Descartes Shaman, respectively, one for every two ships.

Admiral Bright Noa of UNSC-ODA’s Londo Bell group and the Ra Cailum leads the first three-ship CTG codenamed GLAUCUS, and will be joined by the following mobile weapons and pilots:
- AMS-123X-X Moon Gundam
Pilot: Ens. Jutta Qasim (Role: Tertiary Psychoframe Node)
- RX-0 Unicorn Gundam Perfectibility Divine
Pilot: Ens. Banagher Links (Role: Primary Psychoframe Node)
- RX-0[N] Unicorn Gundam Banshee Norn
Pilot: Lt. Riddhe Marcenas (Role: Secondary Psychoframe Node)
- RX-0 Unicorn Gundam 03 Phenex
Pilot: Lt. Rita Bernal | WSO: Ens. Michelle Luio (Psychoframe Resonance Generator & Chrono-Temporal Restoration Unit)
- FA-93v2HWS Hi-Nu Gundam HWS
Pilot: Lt. Cmdr. Amuro Ray (Role: Newtype Commander, as squadron lead)
- AGX-11 Over.On + PMX-000 Messala Glashtin (4th Form)
Pilot: Ens. Mashiro Oaks | WSO: Ens. Conchetta Feeley (Role: Newtype Second-in-Command)

Captain Otto Mitas of the UNSC-ODA’s 4th Fleet and SCVA-76 Nahel Argama will be joined by the following mobile weapons and pilots:
- FA-010S Full Armor ZZ Gundam
Pilot: Ens. Judau Ashta (Role: Heavy Beam Artillery Support)
- Extreme Gundam Type Leos II VS
Pilot: Cmdr. Leos Alloy (Role: Hyperadaptive Multirole Attacker)
- MSZ-006 Zeta Gundam
Pilot: Ens. Kamille Bidan (Role: Anti-TIE Fighter Intercept)
- MSA-0011[Ext] Ex-S Gundam
Pilot: Ens. Ryou Roots | WSO: ALICE AI System (Role: Heavy Beam Artillery Support)
- RX-105 Xi Gundam
Pilot: Cmdr. Hathaway Noa (Role: Funnel Missile-based TIE Hangar Bay Bombardment. as squadron lead)
- YG-111 Gundam G-Self Perfect Pack
Pilot: Ens. Bellri Zenam (Role: Photon Torpedo Antimatter Bombardment and HVT Capital Ship Elimination)

Captain Berah Ronah of the Crossbone Vanguard and Mother Vanguard, along with volunteers from UNSC-ODA’s League Militaire wing, will be joined by the following mobile weapons and pilots:
- LM314V23/24 Victory 2 Assault-Buster Gundam
Pilot: Ens. Uso Ewin (Role: Minovsky Particle Disperser and Fast Interdiction)
- LM314V21-2 Second V
Pilot: Ens. Marbet Fingerhat (Role: Second-in-Command)
- XM-X1[FC] Crossbone Gundam X1 Full Cloth
Pilot: Lt. Tobia Arronax (Role: Fast Interdiction)
- F91 Gundam F91 Twin VSBR Type
Pilot: Capt. Seabook Arno (Role: Fast Interdiction, as squadron lead)
- XM-XX Ghost Gundam
Pilot: Lt. Font Baud (Role: Minovsky Particle Disperser)
- F90I-I Gundam F90 Intercept Type Jupiter Battle Specification 
Pilot: Inst. Minoru Suzuki (Role: Fast Interdiction)

Captain Murrue Ramius of COMPASS’ Prime Fleet and the LHM-BB03S Millennium leads the second three-ship CTG codenamed EURYNOME and will be joined by the following mobile weapons and pilots:
- ZGMF-56E2/α Force Impulse Gundam Spec II
Pilot: Lt. Lunamaria Hawke (Role: Anti-TIE Fighter Intercept)
- ZGMF/A-262 PD-P Mighty Strike Freedom Gundam
Pilot: Cmdr. Kira Yamato | WSO: Pres. Lacus Clyne (Role: Long-Range Shocktrooper and HVT Capital Ship Elimination, as squadron lead)
- ZGMF/A-42S2 Destiny Gundam Type II (with Zeus Silhouette)
Pilot: Lt. Shinn Asuka (Role: Multirole Shocktrooper and Fast Interdiction)
- ZGMF-X191M2 Infinite Justice Gundam Type II
Pilot: Maj. Athrun Zala (Role: Second-in-Command)
- ORB-01 Akatsuki Shiranui (with Zeus Silhouette) 
Pilot: Capt. Mu la Flaga (Role: Precision Anti-Hyperdrive Demolitions)
- MVF-X08 Eclipse Gundam (with Raijin Striker Pack)
Pilot: Ens. Tatsumi Hori (Role: Precision Anti-Hyperdrive Demolitions)

Captain Jamil Neate and the Freeden II volunteered the ship and enlisted the help of the Preventer group as requested by Princess Cagalli Yula Athha, and will be joined by the following mobile weapons and pilots:
- GX-9901-DX + GS-9900 G-Falcon Gundam Double X
Pilot: Ens. Garrod Ran | WSO: Lt. Pala Sys (Role: Long-Range Beam Artillery and HVT Capital Ship Elimination)
- GNR-0008C Gundam Nouvelle
Pilot: Ens. Carris Nautilus (Role: TIE Fighter Screening)
- XXXG-00W0 Wing Gundam Zero Custom (with Drei Zwerg Equipment)
Pilot: Ens. Heero Yuy (Role: HVT Capital Ship Elimination)
- OZ-00MS2B Tallgeese III
Pilot: Cmdr. Treize Khushrenada (Role: Multirole Shocktrooper, as squadron lead)
- XXXG-01D2 Gundam Deathscythe Hell
Pilot: Ens. Duo Maxwell (Role: Stealth Intercept)
- OZ-13MS Gundam Epyon (with Sturm und Drang Equipment)
Pilot: Capt. Milliardo “Preventer Wind” Peacecraft (Role: Melee Shocktrooper and HVT Decapitation)

Forecaster Sumeragi Lee Noriega of Celestial Being and the CBS-742 Ptolemaios II Kai will be joined by the following mobile weapons and pilots: 
- GNT-0000 00 ELS Qan[t]
Pilot: Maj. Setsuna F. Seiei (Role: GN Portal Generator, ELS Assimilation and HVT Decapitation, as squadron lead) 
- GN-010 Gundam Zabanya (Final Battle loadout)
Pilot: Lt. Lyle Dylandy (Role: Long-Range Beam Artillery & TIE Fighter Screening)
- GN-011 Gundam Harute (Final Battle loadout)
Pilot: Lt. Allelujah Haptism | WSO: Lt. Marie Parfacy (Role: TIE Hangar Bay Bombardment)
- CB-002 Raphael Gundam
Pilot: Lt. Tieria Erde (Role: Long-Range Artillery Support & VEDA Co-Processor Node)
- GN-008GNHW/3G Seravee Gundam GNHW/3G
Pilot: Lt. Chall Acustica (Role: Long-Range Artillery Support & VEDA Co-Processor Node)
- GNZ-001E GRM Gundam E
Pilot: Lt. Leonard Fiennes (ELS Co-Assimilator & VEDA Co-Processor Node)

Along with the six carriers, four heavy mobile armors shall be fielded as additional escorts:
- RX-124 Gundam TR-6 [Psycho Inle]Pilot: Lt. Marida Cruz (Role: External Shield Sniping and TIE Hangar Bay Bombardment)
- RX-9/A+C Narrative Gundam A-Packs + C-PacksPilot: Ens. Jona Basta (Role: Psychoframe Resonance Mediator and TIE Hangar Bay Bombardment)
- GN-002+GNR-001D GN Armor Type-DPilot: Lt. Neil Dylandy (Role: TIE Hangar Bay Bombardment, as element lead)
- RX-78GP03 Gundam GP03 Dendrobium
Pilot: Ens. Kou Uraki (Role: TIE Hangar Bay Bombardment)

Every member of the Gundam Coalition-Advanced Fleet has been thoroughly briefed on the Empire's doctrine, personnel, and technology. Decades of joint operations through the events of Super Robot Wars and SD Gundam G Generation have forged exceptional interoperability, allowing every participating faction to function as a unified military force. Thrawn, however, has anticipated this coalition. His preparations include exhaustive analysis of coalition combat records, mission reports, command decisions, technical specifications, and the psychological tendencies of its senior leadership and piloting roster. He enters the campaign expecting fierce resistance and has already formulated contingency plans against each of the coalition's personnel.

If you were Grand Admiral Thrawn, how would you tackle the challenge posed by the myriad of previously-unknown technology, mobile suits and ships presented by the UNODA Gundam Coalition-Advanced Fleet? Which specific psychological or tactical weaknesses of the GC-AF personnel will you exploit to crush their resistance?

Conversely, if you were to lead the UNSC-ODA Gundam Coalition-Advance Fleet, how would you design an operational plan to destroy Chimaera, Dark Omen, and Harbinger before turning the remainder of the Seventh Fleet away from Inner Sol? What countermeasures must be undertaken to neutralize Thrawn’s research and tactical acumen? Can the coalition accomplish all objectives while guaranteeing zero allied losses? If not, what is the closest achievable outcome?

Provide detailed strategic and operational analyses for both sides, treating each commander as highly competent and acting with complete knowledge of their own forces. Base all recommendations on established canon feats, doctrines, logistics, command philosophy, and demonstrated battlefield performance rather than narrative convenience. Your answers to all these questions shall help the UNODA-GC-AF succeed in accomplishing all objectives with minimal coalition losses and negligible significant personnel or asset casualties.

Operation Bellerophon shall begin at the moment of first contact with the enemy.

https://x.com/DooDooDooDooHan/status/2089920009464426572

I swear I wasn't high when I made this. You have to actually watch the full thing.

Mods please help me....