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Image 1 — CX-90 True Mileage - What you need to know
Image 2 — CX-90 True Mileage - What you need to know
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CX-90 True Mileage - What you need to know

Hello folks, it's been about three weeks since I picked up the 2024 Cx-90 Premium PHEV. This vehicle came off a lease from a corporate owner and has approximately 28k miles on it.

Since getting it, I've been on a relentless pursuit to maximize the miles per gallon figure. I've been browsing multiple reviews/recommendations from users and YouTube on how to achieve this. As of yesterday I've reached 39.4 mpg (the photo shows 39.2 since it was taken a little before my final stop). Along the way I've also deduced what each of the key items on the instrument cluster are and how they affect the final mileage you get. I'll be sharing all of my learnings in this post. Please consider that these are all from my observation and deduction and if anyone has dissimilar experiences or formal publications that contradict what's mentioned, feel free to share. Also for anyone reading outside the US, all units of measurement/currency here are truly irrelevant to what you'll know at the end of this read so please bear with me.

Additionally please note that this is based on my daily commute to work and back, which is 18 miles one way, comprising of approx 2 miles of city driving on very high gradient roads and 16 miles of freeway with medium congestion. I have regenerative braking set to high and I charge my car to full once per each round trip. And I drive in normal mode.

Alright to get started you'll notice I've labeled all the key items on the instrument cluster in the posted image. We'll go over each of them.

EV Gang - This encompasses three key indicators that always appear together and that is the reason I call them a gang. Let's look at the three items A, B and C individually.

A. EV Zone - This appears as a solid purple bar on the Power indicator dial whenever the car is using the electric motor for power. Think of the power dial's behavior as the RPM dial on a gas car. The needle jumps the harder you press on the pedal. As long as the needle stays inside the EV Zone, the car will remain in EV mode.

B. Maybe EV Zone - This appears as a dashed purple bar on the Power indicator dial right where the EV Zone ends. When the needle reaches here, the car is preparing to transition to use the combustion engine.

What's important to notice is that the total length of A + B is not always the same. At lower speeds it is longer, whereas at higher speeds it is shorter. I'll explain why but first understand what it implies. A shorter length means you're more likely to switch over to gas with a little more request for power (by pressing the pedal more making the needle jump), whereas a longer length implies you're less likely to switch over to gas when there's a request for more power.

To explain why let's consider the case when you're in the city stopped at a red light. The EV Zone is long because even if you press the pedal harder than usual, the car knows it's better to get you from 0-30 mph using the electric motor than the gas engine. However, if you're driving 60 mph on the freeway, the EV Zone is short because the car understands that a press of the pedal to take you from sustained 60 mph to sustained 70 mph is better achieved with the gas engine.

Finally, C. EV Indicator - This is pretty much self explanatory as it comes on when the car is using the electric motor

D. Charge Zone - The needle dips here when you are in regenerative braking. Whenever you take your foot off the pedal, the cars momentum feeds back into the regeneration system, slowing down the car and capturing the energy back to be stored in the battery. Regeneration can be set to normal or high from the EV settings in the console.

E. Pure EV Range - This indicates how far you can go using only the electric motor. This is also only present when you have some EV charge (Label I). I call this pure EV Range because this range does NOT factor in the miles recovered from regenerative braking (I am mostly sure of this). The evidence behind my conclusion is a full charge shows about 22 miles of range. Then after a 18 mile drive, I still have 12 miles of range left. This indicates a recovery of 8 miles of range out of 18 or an ~44% range recovery which did not factor in.

F. Gas Range - This indicates the range of your vehicle excluding the EV Range, considering only the gas engine and regenerative braking. I will not dive too deep here as I haven't experimented enough to comment.

G. Hybrid Efficiency - Okay this is a big one. This number is affected by how your gas engine performs, how much charge you have in the battery, how your electric motor performs and your regenerative braking. Firstly, the effect from gas engine efficiency is a no brainer, like any gas vehicle. But to explain the rest of the factors you'll have to look at Diagram 2. It has two arms, one originating from the EV Charge and one originating from the regular fuel. Let's say you had no charge at all, then the EV arm is fully eliminated and the gas engine + regen braking will give you an ~25 mpg. However, what's interesting is the EV arm of the diagram. What it practically means is that you are converting battery charge to hybrid efficiency. By how much? That is dependent on the two variables along the way, i.e. electric motor efficiency and regen braking. But that's not the fun part here. Notice hybrid efficiency is denominated in "miles per GALLON". None of those words factor in battery energy. Therefore, the more you stick to the EV arm of the diagram (by not using gas) the higher your number can go. I intend to test this to see how high it can realistically go but theoretically it can be infinite.

This brings us to the most significant conclusion of this whole adventure. In combined systems like PHEVs, a metric like mpg ignores entire arms of the energy usage flow. It is inadequate because you are paying for two different forms of input energy (gas and electricity). Therefore the correct metric would be "miles per dollar" since what you are essentially putting in are dollars just in two different forms.

What is the miles per dollar of this vehicle? I don't know, that's your homework. I haven't done the math yet. But this explanation forms the basis of your pursuit of efficiency. Now let's wrap up the last few.

H. Electric Motor Efficiency - This indicates how efficiently your electric motor is converting the battery energy to actual mileage. If you press on the pedal too aggressively it'll go down and if you are gentle with it, it'll go up.

I. Charge level - The important thing to note here is that this does not show the true hybrid battery charge, unlike mild hybrids like the CRV which shows you a non zero value. This will only go up with plugged in charging and keep goin down at all other times the vehicle is using the electric motor. But this going to zero does NOT mean the mild hybrid mode of the vehicle is non-functional. We just don't get to see that battery reserve.

J. Gas Level - And finally the gas level. Well it's how much gas you have. That's all I got.

Hopefully, with these key bits of information, you'll be able to go on your own set of experiments to see what you can do with this vehicle. Now go, be free, conquer the world or whatever.

u/Big_Apricott — 4 days ago
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For those considering PHEV

Mine might be an extreme use case, but I wanted to show what the PHEV is capable of under ideal circumstances.

I've had several EVs, have 1 currently, and when we replaced an older gas car I was reluctant to have only EVs. When researching PHEVs, there wasn't a ton of information available on real world experiences. Most of the owner reviews I've found were somewhat negative and complained about poor fuel efficiency, and that the gas engine was forced to run too often.

My goal with the PHEV was to effectively have 2 EVs for daily use, but have the gas engine for the occasional road trip so we wouldn't need to use fast chargers. EREVs are just around the corner, but I took a leap with the PHEV anyway.

As you can see from the image of the dash, my sportage phev is hardly using any gas. I'm now a thousand miles in, and I haven't even used a single gallon of gas. The dash stops at 999mpgs.

I drive about 45 miles per day. My commute is 40 miles round trip. I am able to charge overnight and midday, so it is operating entirely electric. A level 2 charger helps get enough charge in a short timeframe if I need to run a quick errand.

I've only had the gas engine kick on once due to acceleration, and that was because of cruise control when I changed lanes on the highway. I've only seen a message on the dash requiring the engine to run for maintenance/fuel and oil once as well. When it does, it basically just idles 1.3-1.5k rpm.

I will be taking the car on a trip that will use the gas engine soon, and I plan to leave my tank mostly empty so the fuel doesn't go bad during normal use.

Yes I am aware that cabin heat requires the engine to run. My climate is mild and I park the car in the garage, so only heated seats and steering wheel are needed in the morning.

For those trying to understand what a longer commute would look like, my wife drives 90 miles round trip and she averaged about 50-60mpgs in the same (but different) car. So even in a longer commute, you can still nearly double the fuel efficiency of the normal hybrid as long as you can charge it daily at home or work.

If you drive more than 100-150 miles often, can't charge daily, or live in colder climates, then the regular hybrid may be the more cost effective option. Of course this is a bit subjective based on my experience.

Finally, yes you may need to factor in electricity costs, which are a fraction of the cost of gas in most areas. I have solar so I am only concerned with the use of gasoline.

I hope this helps show what the PHEV is capable of, and some real world experiences so you can make a more informed decision if you're considering one.

u/Fly-n-Skies — 4 days ago
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Should I keep my 2024 Volvo XC60 T6 Recharge PHEV or switch to a Tesla Model Y Performance?

I’m currently debating whether to keep my 2024 Volvo XC60 T6 Recharge (Ultra Dark, fully loaded) or switch to the new Tesla Model Y Performance.
For context, I’m based in Belgium, Europe, and my Volvo is the plug-in hybrid (PHEV) version, meaning I can drive approximately 70 km on electric power alone before needing the petrol engine.
I really enjoyed test-driving the Tesla Performance, especially its handling, suspension, seats and overall driving experience (i did not like a lot the premium version). However, I’m struggling to figure out whether switching actually makes financial sense.
My current Volvo:
2024 XC60 T6 Recharge PHEV (European version), around 42,000 km.
€625/month car loan, with roughly 5 years remaining.
No balloon payment.
Petrol: approximately €170/month.
Electricity: approximately €550–600/year.
Annual road tax: €560.
Maintenance: approximately €700/year.
Estimated resale value: €42,000–€48,000, although I haven’t received any actual offers yet.
Tesla Model Y Performance:
Purchase price: approximately €65,000.
Financing: approximately €500/month for 60 months, with a €19,599 balloon payment at the end.
Down payment: approximately €13,000, partly funded by selling the Volvo after paying off its remaining loan.
Electricity: approximately €500–600/year.
Annual road tax: €107.
Estimated maintenance: €200 every two years.
Insurance: approximately €300/year more than the Volvo.
I drive approximately 12,000 km per year and can charge at home.
A bit more context about my finances:
I actually have enough money in savings and investments to purchase the Tesla outright if I wanted to. However, most of that money is invested in the stock market, and I’d much rather keep it invested for long-term growth than withdraw a large amount to purchase a depreciating asset.
That’s why I’m considering financing the Tesla instead of paying cash. I understand that investments aren’t guaranteed to outperform the interest on a car loan, but I value keeping my capital invested and maintaining financial flexibility.
The Tesla would obviously be cheaper to run, but I’m concerned about the additional down payment, depreciation and the large balloon payment after five years.
When I calculate the monthly costs, including setting money aside for the balloon, the two cars seem surprisingly close in terms of monthly expenses.
My question:
Would switching to the Tesla actually make financial sense over five years, or would I just be spending more money overall to replace a relatively new car?
Would you keep the Volvo until it’s paid off, or switch to the Tesla Performance?
And considering that I could technically afford to pay cash but prefer keeping my money invested, would financing the Tesla with a balloon payment be a reasonable financial decision?
I’d especially appreciate opinions from people who have made a similar switch, financed a Tesla with a balloon payment, or compared the total cost of ownership of a PHEV versus a fully electric vehicle.

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u/MAJINBUU16 — 4 days ago
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A plugin Hybrid in the mountains

This is a repost, but I can share much more data.

Last year I went to Cannes, but decided to take the mountain road:

Road Map

The car reported this result:

The Car's computer

But I have an App, called Hybrid Assistant, which gives me a lot of information and collects a lot of data. I also made a program to collect the data and munch important information, which I decided to share with you.

Data in numbers

There are all the crude numbers, what impresses me is that 6 hours or 280 km were driven in EV, while only 110 km were driven with ICE.

State of Charge

On this chart, you can clearly see the state of charge of the battery during the trip.

Elevation profile

And matches the elevation profile of the trip

Speed

This is my speed .

Temperature

Engine temperature, among other things.

RPM

RPM and power output of the engine

BFSC

Last but not least, the BFSC of the engine.

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u/TheTrampIt — 5 days ago
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200 Km High speed motorway

As requested, here is a sample of high speed motoring.

https://preview.redd.it/syxfnwon1vuh1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=1606ec6626082de4afd806113224a574d1186d7e

The average speed is slow as I entered the city to fill up and then took off home. It was night, traffic was low but I did find road works.

Note the consumption, but most important, the ICE efficiency.

https://preview.redd.it/dncr1kp92vuh1.png?width=1366&format=png&auto=webp&s=c969e6c47e30d9ef46ce6356d29365c6c70c77b8

The dip at the beginning is where I filled up, the next dip if the road works and the last two dips are the toll booths.

Clearly visible is where I used Cruise Control.

https://preview.redd.it/jly41od53vuh1.png?width=1366&format=png&auto=webp&s=7259de61d67148f3de09c0c83052e65634e2cc61

And according to the GPS, I was going uphill, from 80 to 240 meters above sea level.

https://preview.redd.it/swrx7jff3vuh1.png?width=1366&format=png&auto=webp&s=41e37882d6696133cb65ee0b8370e381b4401c0d

Fuel consumption, per Km and average.

https://preview.redd.it/qvql2cyt3vuh1.png?width=1366&format=png&auto=webp&s=5b5aecf547ef279e8323642f38ebf11f1417280b

Engine RPM. All over the pace, being an E-CVT. The system main objective is to keep engine load maxxed, and there it does a good job.

https://preview.redd.it/zdhttax64vuh1.png?width=1366&format=png&auto=webp&s=5c40297ce1f168585d3132e9b44ea18cfefff3a8

Which translates to a very good BFSC over the whole trip.

https://preview.redd.it/5xrwni3f4vuh1.png?width=1366&format=png&auto=webp&s=cb23779633cc7aaa57781edec1cb218ae90efc39

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u/TheTrampIt — 4 days ago
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£25–£40k budget – BMW X1 vs Range Rover Evoque vs something else? Help me decide!

Hi everyone!

I’m in the market for a new (to me) car and I’m having a serious dilemma, so I’d love some honest opinions!

My requirements:

Budget: £25,000–£40,000

Ideally a 2025–2026 model, low mileage

Plug-in hybrid (petrol + electric) as I have a home charger
Something luxurious, elegant and sporty-looking

Preferably a compact SUV

A beautiful interior is really important to me

Good reliability and reasonable maintenance costs

I’ve spent quite a bit of time researching cars and recently visited BMW, Mercedes and Range Rover showrooms.

Mercedes GLA: Completely ruled this out. I was really underwhelmed by the interior, and discovering the Renault connection with the petrol engine didn’t particularly appeal to me either.

BMW X1 xDrive25e: I actually really liked this in person. The technology, electric range and practicality are all appealing. My only hesitation is the exterior. I really don’t want something that looks too boxy or like a generic family SUV.

Range Rover Evoque P270e: Absolutely love the styling and luxurious interior. It’s probably closer to the aesthetic I’m looking for. However, I’m concerned about Land Rover’s reputation for reliability, potentially expensive repairs and the relatively limited electric range.

The BMW 4 Series really appeals to me aesthetically, but unfortunately it isn’t available as a plug-in hybrid.

Essentially, I want something sleek, sophisticated and a little sporty. I don’t want to spend £40k on a car that ticks every practical box but doesn’t excite me when I look at it!

My questions:
Between the BMW X1 PHEV and Range Rover Evoque PHEV, which would you choose and why?

Are the Evoque’s reliability concerns genuinely as bad as their reputation suggests, particularly for newer models?

Are there any other beautiful, luxurious plug-in hybrids I should consider within my budget?

Would you prioritise a newer car with lower mileage or a slightly older, higher-specification premium model?

I’m UK-based and would particularly appreciate opinions from anyone who owns or has driven these cars.

Thanks in advance! 😊

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u/Excellent-Feature504 — 4 days ago
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Used plugin hybrids something to avoid? Whats with the massive deprication im seeing?

In the market for a midsize or smaller SUV, typically ive been looking at normal hybrids, but that has introduced me to plugin hybrids. On paper, the concept seems amazing. I could do short, grocery store trips purely on electric. Theres also incentives to buy, which i like

But then as i start looking, I see used PHEV vehicles have depreciated a ton, compared to their new prices. Cars like the 2025 Volvo XC60 or the Mazda CX 70/90, ive seen a bunch of used inventory for half, or less, what it went for new.

Now of course I understand used cars are used and obviously a used car is going to be less, and cars depriciate, but do PHEVs depreciate much faster than "normal" cars? Are theremore issues with used PHEVs that cause that much depreciation?

Im not too worried about further depreciation and what I would be able to sell it back for, what I am worried about are signifigant maintenance issues that I would take on buying a used PHEV

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u/consultybob — 13 days ago
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Electricity usage monitoring using a L1 wall charger?

I recently got a Tucson PHEV and I am able to fully charge the battery overnight on a standard 120V wall plug. However because it's not a smart charger, and the Hyundai BlueLink app doesn't log charging stats/history, I can't see my usage. I've thought about using an app like ev.energy or OptiWatt, but I've heard these apps can kill the 12V battery of Hyundai/Kia vehicles.

What are my options for measuring energy usage? I would like to see how much I am using over a month

Edit: I went with this power monitor

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u/CGGamer — 12 days ago
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Any metro Vancouver drivers in here ? I have a daily commute over 50 km from east Coquitlam to south Burnaby. I’m looking to buy either a 2027 Prius plug in SE or the XLE AWD Prius.

I’m looking for specific feedback on anyone commuting in a colder climate with the Prius plug in , do you wish you had AWD ?
I’m driving a 2008 Yaris outfitted with steel wheels and Blizzak WS 90 . I would put winters on steel wheels on either Prius I buy .
I have test driven both models back to back, I preferred the plug in to drive the AWD was noisy, louder than my wife’s 2020 Corolla LE ! The plug in was much quieter and i enjoyed the driving experience better I felt I was in a premium car.
The AWD felt like any other Toyota Corolla !
I can plug in overnight , not sure if real world results I will get better gas mileage with the plug in ! I do a few trips a year up to the interior.
I don’t want to regret buying one over the other.

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u/ResponsibleBoard536 — 13 days ago