r/Peter_X_MJ

So, here's the nth post about it but let me finish and then judge.

I really liked how Ewing wrote both of them here. MJ showed her maternal side with Dylan and her adult side with Peter. Same for him by not lashing out at MJ like many people wanted. He gave her time to tell what she wanted and I have to say I really liked her apologize.

On the first image, MJ comments how her coworkers started to slut-shame her for having a relationship with P. Which his an obvious 'take that!' to the misogynistic readers who started hating her the moment Wells run started. Peter talks about how he was 'thrashing around' when MJ came back, refering to the first year where he was the shadow of himself.

Then, MJ admits she was 'thrashing around' top, probably refering to how antagonistic she was during the first year. She then confirms she stayed with P. only for the kids and then because of the pain they were both sharing, something both realistic and predictable but many people, at least here on the sub I discussed with, didn't realize. And then she admits she knows how much Peter was hurt and didn't deserve it and apologizes for it.

The second image is about Flash and Ewing takes his time to confirm there's nothing between them, as he said in DS #1. He probably thought it was a neat idea but the backlash prevented it, especially when the hints in DS were only in Kelly's side (a BND writer). So it's easy to say, with 60th anniversary of MJ, QiB and ASM #1000, she won't have anything with Flash.

Now, returning to Peter and MJ, it was obvious they weren't going to be a couple the *day her ex fucking died*. This isn't New X-Men. There's no kissing on a tomb. I actually think they're on a better place than they were with Slott and Wells. Cause Slott just used MJ to mock the fans and never make her apologize for her wrongs (Spencer did at the beginning of his run) and... Well, Wells. I don't know why people expect the two of them fucking on P's grave and being serious at the same time.

And about MJ in the first year of Wells run, I don't know if Ewing retconned it or not. Because she apologized for how she hurt Peter and all, but he also stealthily retconned the Hellfire Gala part (the 'Dammit Peter this is not about you!') when her boss didn't mention the Krakoa pharmaceutical in their meeting (what issue of ANV was that? 10-12, iirc). Which makes me think the events pre-DL didn't completely happened like they happened in Wells's run.

Venom instead revealed to be more antagonistic than usual. Don't understand if because they wanted to be the bad guy to make MJ the good one at Peter's eyes or because they still resent him like he admitted in ANV #10, because the events didn't go as they said (Peter tried to kill them only when Venom tried to force a bond, not when he found out the suit was alive).

Anyway, I actually liked the issue. I don't know if it's just me or people are just a bit too pessimistic (I can't blame the though) but it's a 8/10 at worst.

Now let's see what kind of failure ASM #1000 is gonna be...

None of them are necessarily the same as the classic comic versions, and some only play tiny parts in the story, but still, seeing them in these universes brings me some joy where the comics fall short.

And yes, I'm counting MCU Peter and M.J. because I have a feeling they'll be back together sooner than in the comics.

Venom#258 was hyped up by many for many things with a lot of unrealistic expectations. All it did was return to the same old status quo 18 years ago. Arguably worse.

It's been less than 2 days since I finished Wells run. I had grown tired of Rabin Jr. Seeing the writers still trying defend the character & trying to compare him to Peter is seriously annoying.

In reality he's not even the worst love interest MJ had since OMD. It was Bobby Carr. Bobby Carr was far worse than Rabin Jr. could ever be. At the time they were really trying to make us hate & forget MJ. MJ taunted Peter about Uncle Ben then dated Bobby Carr a drug addict despite MJ being very anti-drug in her history. She was shown far more visually intimate with Bobby in the comics. They made her Bobby Carr's trophy doll.

Then in the "Many loves of Spider-Man" comics they showed MJ moving on & not caring about Peter saying fame & glamor is all she ever wanted.

They also ruined Felicia's character & her relationship with Peter post OMD. So Peter can't have the next best stable relationship with Black Cat. We also had the infamous Daredevil & Black Cat hookup during this time.

And they made Peter a simping manwhore.

Then Marvel made a new FORGETTABLE love interest for Peter aka Carlie Cooper who was based on Joe Quasada's daughter. It was during this time MJ returned. MJ returned to being Peter's friend then BND writers tried show us Carlie & Peter are compatible while MJ & Peter were always incompatible. While Felicia was returned to being a casual hookup friend & stopped being in love with Peter.

Next time when Peter & MJ's relationship started to heal & they were getting close to being back together. Fans were once again finally hopeful after BND shenanigans. They really thought #700 was MJ & Peter being back together. But then then BND editorial killed Peter then had Otto in Peter's body Sexually assault MJ. Otto really destroyed their relationship again this time & MJ also truly lost her trust in Peter. She started dating Pedro. A fireman who saved her after being disappointed for Peter not saving her. And they character assassinated Black Cat even further & made into full on Villain this time.

After Peter returned to his body MJ wanted be gone from Peter's life once again because of his life as Spider-Man. But then she went to work for Tony Stark & be a high profile employee of a Superhero. And she was angry at Peter for lying to Tony.

Then came the era of Peter's new forgettable love interests & MJ "menzing".

Then After 10 years Nick Spencer came to this book like a raft in middle of the ocean for us drowning fans. He spent 3 years trying to fix all the damage done in 10 years. Got MJ & Peter back together. Healed their relationship. Developed MJ's character. Healed Felicia & Peter's relationship. Also developed Felicia's character from her previous shallow self. Did everything in his power to undo OMD then undid the Sins Past. Editorial did everything to interrupt his writing. BND writers had comatose Peter react to Felicia even though Spencer wanted it to be MJ. Spencer was given the task to return to status quo from the worldwide saga. And he also took the mission to fix all the issues fans had gripes with. Many people think his run sucked but the story being mediocre is not that big of a surprise. He also had to shorten the story from 100 issue. It was objectively mediocre but he did better than most with all interference from editorial. But his run at least gave us hope for future stories.

Then again Zeb Wells happened. And we got Rabin Jr. MJ hating Peter & Rabin Jr. flexing on us despite the fact that it was Peter that saved their family. BND writers fully intended do more damage but the Fan backlash probably slightly changed their position about MJ/Rabin Jr. . Because Peter literally called her his sister. Peter/Felicia lasted merely 2 chapters. Then we got another forgettable love interest Shay to stop Peter from fully dating Felicia. Well's run ended with a meta commentary about Peter & MJ returning back together eventually someday. A false promise by the editorial.

Then Venom war we had ANOTHER will they won't they moment & a panel Peter drawn like a chud while MJ flirting with Rabin Jr.

Current day. They made MJ venom & blasted Peter off to space so MJ & Peter can't meet. Once again editorial made Ben Reilly drive a wedge in to not only MJ & Peter but all of Peter's relationships. We got Raelith. Who serves no purpose other than stopping Peter from having an actual romantic relationship.

Black Cat flirting with everyone. And we got MJ & Flash tease.

Currently MJ has become a hero & unlikely to return to being a civilian any time soon. ASM book will never have Peter have a meaningful relationship with a hero. And currently there's an unnecessary unresolved issue of MJ killing Torment.

Now onto the issue itself. MJ said she thought he was dead. Clearly new writer trying to fix the issue previous writer left behind with a soft retcon. MJ's had no reaction that implied she thought he was dead before. She was not really relieved to see him alive & immediately pushed him away. And continued to be harsh to him. In this new issue MJ actually apologized for the first time which I have been waiting for a long time but in the previous run Spider-Goblin issue Peter said to MJ she did nothing wrong & all MJ said was "I know". MJ is also now step-parent to Dylan which now makes her too old to date Peter according to current editorial standard. And she actually 4 years older now. Because they want infantile Peter. Even though both should be pushing their 30's now. MJ & Peter also "friends" now. Just like she is "friends" with Flash now. She had exact same conversation with Flash in the exact same place. They left her relationship with flash in a new mystery box. And flash is not a love interest that will simply go away.

Her relationship with Peter returned to same status quo as before but in an worse position. BND editorial won't let Peter have any meaningful relationship with MJ, Felicia or any other character anytime soon. They definitely won't let him grow. Marvel will continue to tease us to string us along all the while MJ's popularity is all time low as a love interest & continues to worsen among new fans. Many haters of Spider-Man fans will say we should move on already. Honestly we actually should but not from MJxPeter but from Spider-Man entirely. That's most healthy. But we are still here because most of us die-hard fans & unhealthily obsessed with Spider-Man.

I haven't read any comics for 4 years & dropped the book since beyond arc. The recent upsurge in Spider-Man media, the upcoming #1000 & people praising Joe made me pick up & continue reading again recently. During Nick Spencer run there was at least hope for development but current the editorial attitude is stark clear. They make no pretense. This issue except for trying to justify Pau.l to the readers most things can be taken positive but the problem is the feeling of "wait a minute I have been here before!". Deja Vu. The rinse & repeat of will they won't they. This is what made me feel really frustrated.