r/S95B

Apologies if this doesn’t exactly fit this subreddit.

I currently have an S90C upstairs (that’s how I originally found this subreddit, as it felt like the only active subreddit to chat about this line of TVs). I think it’s great, and I mostly don’t have any complaints with it, at least from an image quality and display aspect.

Now, our TV in the living room hasn’t been updated since 2020, so I’m thinking about upgrading it at some point. It’s currently an edge lit LED, a remnant of our old apartment life.

Originally, I was looking into the S90f. I already know I like this display tech, and we’ve always had Samsung. The price is also in our wheelhouse- currently $1900 for a 77”. My concern has been how it will look between 3pm and 6pm when the sun is setting behind the house (the TV is perpendicular to a west facing sliding door/window). The S90f is in a pretty dark room, so I haven’t truly had to deal with a brighter room.

Some people have suggested a tandem OLED to mitigate any black level loss…but any tandem OLED is like a thousand dollars USD more expensive than the S90f. I also worry that a mirror like finish would kill black levels anyway, due to the white walls of our living room.

What is the REAL deal here with tandem OLED? Is it just a brand tax? Fan glazing? Is there anything about the C6H that makes it THAT much better than the S90f? Is it more like- this is a C6 that can work in a bright room more effectively, and that’s it?

Trying to figure out if I really should be considering this technology, or if I’m overthinking it.

I have 2 dp monitors: 4k 165hz and 1080p 60hz, and they work fine. once i connect the tv(s95d) the tv wouldn't display or connect to the pc until i disconnect the second monitor, or when the tv works the second monitor wouldn't work until i disconnect the tv. i use hdmi 2.1 for tv and dp 1.4 for monitors and i have 4070ti.

all the displays work if i connect the hdmi first to the denon reviver then to the tv but if i do that i have no 44hz and no vvr or game mode.

please help me solve this i tried everything and nothing works

I've noticed when i turn on hdr mode on ps5 and watch youtube or play games, the red and yellow are weird, red is oversaturated for some reason

but when i turn off hdr, everything looks the same as on my asus ucdmg monitor and iphone and ipad, basically same colors on all 4

here are my hdr settings:
Brightness - 50
Contrast - 49
Color - 20
HDR Tone mapping - Static
Shadows Details -1
Color Space Bt.2020 - Normal
Warm 2
Hdr gaming sattings both basic

17 clicks on ps5 hdr screen

All the colors are great in hdr besides red and yellow, i don't understand why if in sdr they are perfect

Everyone online (reddit, YT comments, AVS Forum, you name it) loves to talk crap about Tizen and how "unusable" the native apps are. Well, I'm here to be its sole defender. I've been using an S90C for over 2 years now. And the Tizen apps provide the best functionality; even IF they still may ultimately not be the BEST option. Let me explain.

I've used this TV's native apps in addition to a Roku, a Google TV Streamer, and currently an Apple TV 4K. They ALL come with some sort of compromise to core app functionality that the native apps don't have. I'll cover a couple areas of key findings in my experience with all these devices.

INTERFACE/UI:

Roku and Google TV aren't really better interfaces at all. They are similarly inconsistent in performance as Tizen (lag/frame drops in menu navigation). Roku's interface in addition, has a cheap, low res appearance to it. Both the Roku and Google Streamer are similarly ad based, but the Google Streamer is the most annoying. Both Google and Tizen feature an ad banner at the top of their respective home screens. On Tizen, it doesn't bother me much. Why? Because once you navigate down to get away from the ad banner, you stay there. If I go to, say, YouTube for instance and watch a video; when I back out of YouTube to switch to a different app, Tizen will spit me right back into the apps bar. On the Google Streamer it spits you back to the top with the ad banner EVERY TIME YOU QUIT AN APP. This is infuriating not just because they're forcing you to view ads every time you go home, but it takes 2 or 3 clicks every time to get back to your apps row. This alone made Google TV a no-go for me. Apple's UI also is not the perfection that everyone tries to claim. While it is indeed the MOST smooth in terms of navigation, it does hiccup from time to time. It is ad free which is nice, but honestly not a huge improvement for me vs Tizen because the ads there were as non-intrusive as possible. The big issue with Apple's UI are their HDR settings and content matching settings being complete nonsense and poorly implemented. They have an HDR toggle switch that makes it seem like it has to be enabled in order to get HDR of any type whatsoever but that isn't the case. Having HDR toggled on makes the AppleTV force everything into HDR, including all of the natively SDR UIs. One would think the "match dynamic range" setting would fix this(showing SDR UI/content in SDR and showing HDR UI/content in HDR) but that setting only does anything once actual content is playing. This is bad because, again using YouTube as an example, while you're browsing the YT UI it's forcing that SDR experience into an HDR container. Hit play on a video and there's a long black screen while the ATV switches from its unnecessary HDR output to the correct SDR output and reestablishes HDMI handshake. And when you stop a video you get the same black screen while it does that process in reverse. And while one would think that disabling the HDR setting would stop all HDR content from playing in HDR, it actually DOESN'T! Oh, EXCEPT for the (actually nice) aerials screensaver videos that play. Those, inexplicably, DO require the HDR setting to be engaged lol. So, overall in that regard it is possible to get the ATV behaving in a mostly correct manner, you have to go against intuition in the settings to achieve that. Whoever designed these settings should be fired, honestly. Oh yeah, and Apple's on screen keyboard IS THE WORST. It is truly one of the dumbest bits of UI design I've experienced in recent memory.

Apps/Functionality:

On Roku I could never get video output(motion) to look quite right and the overall experience didn't feel any better than Tizen so I dismissed that device pretty quickly after setting it up. The Google TV Streamer experienced issues with jerky video playback in apps at first. I discovered that, at least for my setup, this issue was caused by the streamer defaulting to a 60fps output. Selecting 59.94fps resolved that issue, EXCEPT for within the Apple TV+ app. That app experienced frame drops every 45-60 seconds or so and I could not resolve that issue. The YouTube app on this device also had buggy HDR playback for certain videos. Ironic considering that's a Google platform. Google Streamer supports HDR10+ on Netflix, Prime Video, ATV+, but not hulu/D+ like the Tizen app does. But with the Google Streamer, the ATV+ issue along with ads were deal breakers. So, on to the ATV 4K. All apps playback smoothly, the issue comes with HDR support. HDR10+ only currently works with Prime video. ATV+(the app) SUPPORTS HDR10+ but it is hilariously currently broken on Apple's own hardware. Supposedly this was broken with the last TVOS update and who knows when/if it will be fixed. Netflix will not support HDR10+ on this device because it lacks AV1 codec support. Which also means that streaming quality in general also is not as good it could be. Both Netflix and YouTube began rolling out AV1 to improve image quality. ATV misses out on this.

Conclusion:

Tizen's app suite is the most fully featured manner to experience all of these streaming apps. None of the apps have playback issues. The newer AV1 video codec is supported providing better video quality with more efficient data usage in apps that support it. HDR10+ functions in all apps that support it. It all just works pretty well.

So why then, after all of this typing and defending of Tizen's apps, am I sticking with an Apple TV? Three letters: CEC. Samsung's integration of CEC is completely ridiculous and makes it basically impossible for me to set up my universal remote for reliable activity activation and switching. That functionality is important for me because I have a non AV-savvy partner who I want to be able to just pick up a single remote and with one button press do whatever she wants to do on our setup. Samsung's CEC unfortunately interferes with that goal. So here I am, defending their apps while ultimately still not being able to use them myself lol. Either way, people should chill out with all the Tizen slander. The apps themselves are pretty good

No color banding

Perfect viewing angles

Picture is so clean in games compared to G5, no horrible vertical dithering lines, and no added film grain

Yes g5 was much brighter and had better depth in black levels, but i play only at night and it was so bright i had to reduce brightness even when using HGiG ( i know this is very subjective )

I was also lucky to finally get an oled with great grey uniformity (after 4 different oleds with horrible grey uniformity)

I absolutely love it, the only thing i can't get right is the red color, it feels a bit weird to me, i am on BT. 2020 and then switching to "Normal" and everything looks good, but i feel like red is not accurate enough yet, that's my only problem after 2 days of using it

Hey guys so i had Samsung s95b and decided to upgrade because i had some burn in and felt like it's time for a new tv

I watched lots of reviews and read a lot, i always wanted to try LG TV's since i've only had samsungs

I got it, calibrated and it's worse than my s95b in every way, horrible color banding, dithering makes the pictures grainy and noisy, viewing angles are so bad i could not believe it

long story short, WOLED is not for me, i play at night and use tv mostly for gaming, s95b is 10 times better than lg g5 in that regard

I really wanna get a glossy tv again, and in the usa S90f is Glossy QD-Oled Which is perfect for me

People who went from S95b to S90F, were you happy ? was it an upgrade ?

What do you guys think about that? Or will i get black crush? Should i compensate by increasing shadow detail? I know in hdr decreasing the st.2084 slider makes for a better looking image.