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Best FP14000 alternative/clone in Europe?

Hi

I'm looking for a cheaper alternative/clone to the Lab Gruppen FP14000 for a DIY sound system (4 tops + 4 subs).

I'm based in Switzerland, so availability in Europe is important.

Thanks!

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u/ArgumentRough8793 — 4 hours ago

Looking for more info on these midbass. 12"

I got a great deal on 4 of these boxes.. not sure whats in them yet , ill open them up tonight. They are custom made but very well made, they included covers. Carribean family.

Now i didnt get much more info on them becuase the father who built the system had passed and the daughters who didnt have much knowledge to the system.

They looked to me like EAW sb1000 but a 12 inch version, which does exist as subs but was sold these as mids.

Any ideas on what box design these could be and their function.

The goal is to use them above 15 inch kicks, either paraflex or cubo.
Thanks in Advance.

Charlie

u/Dubnoiz23 — 4 hours ago

SAWMOD amplification advice

Hey everyone i am considering building some SAWMOD after our lord and savior John White's design. I am currently in the process of pricing it out and have some questions regarding amplification. I am planning on going with the Faital 10RS430 for LF, the SB Audience 5CCN125D for MF, and B&C DH450 for HF. What would be an appropriate way to power the HF Section? I could the LF and MF in stereo of a CVR-1004 or something of the sort but I am a bit lost on how i would not "waste" a bunch of power on a compression driver when choosing an amp for it. Any advice or pointers to resources are much appreciated!

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u/kebabspies420 — 9 hours ago

AMP AND DSP ADVICE

Looking for an amp and dsp for our set up

We currently have a mini scoop cab with 18” driver / RMS 450W 900 MAX / 8 ohms
12” ported box with 12” RMS 250W 500 MAX/ 8ohms and a top flare with a compression driver.
Needing a suitable amp, is it correct that we are looking for 1 amp with two channels, 8ohm and wattage at least twice the amount of RMS?

Other thoughts:
Can we parallel wire the flare with the 12” box? in order to have the two channel out put.
Is a built in dsp ideal or is a separate one better?

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u/princess_poi7561 — 15 hours ago

Help finding plans - shallow, long sub

I’m a bit space constrained in this current venue and would like to build a box with dimensions of approximately 2100 x 320 x 600 mm (w x d x h).

Ideally a frequency range of 30 Hz , though lower is fine.

Looking to hit at least 125 dB max SPL. And thinking 2x 18” drivers.

Any suggestions for such an oddball size?

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u/avsalom — 22 hours ago

Phase 1 (tops) done on a Clair R4-III build, need sub advice, WSX vs SKRAM vs F218

Just fired up the top half of a rig I've been building for a few months. Wanted to lay out the setup and get some sub thoughts from the heads here.

Tops: Clair R4-III, bi-amped per box (LF plus a combined mid-high leg per side, four amp channels). The HF is a JBL 2446J on a CD horn and it is the standout. Even at low level the whole thing has a character I have rarely heard from newer cabinets. No regrets going old and characterful over new and convenient.

Signal chain, Dante the whole way to the amp:

Laptop running Dante Via and/or other Dante channels, into a Biamp Tesira Server-IO where all the processing lives, out over Dante to two Shure MXWANI4 units doing Dante to analogue into an FP10000Q (4x1350W) into the Clairs.

The whole audio side sits on an isolated subnet, no gateway, no DHCP, so the Dante clock stays clean and it behaves the same at home or at a venue. Laptop is dual homed, wired to the audio island and wifi for internet and control. 4x analogue inputs and 8x analogue outputs available also if required or as backup.

DSP and amp as commissioned:

The Tesira does the two way crossover, sums MF and HF with a phase corrected inverted HF path through the 1.5kHz region, plus tiered limiter presets. FP10000Q is at 32dB gain, four independent channels, Soft clip. Per channel hardware voltage clip limiter as a backstop, 47V on the mid high channels to protect the compression drivers, 83V on the lows. One channel per Clair leg, patched straight across from the Shure outputs.

Headroom is big. Amp at quarter juice, source barely up, already loud enough to get the neighbours moving.

My question. Subs.

This is a techno/trance rig, so the bottom end needs to do the heavy lifting. Hearing the tops come alive has sharpened my take on what I want out of the low end. Deep, into the 30Hz and under range. High output, enough to keep pace with tops this efficient. Fast and articulate, because the Clairs have real character and I don't want slow boomy subs fighting them.

That keeps pointing me at horn loading. Three things I'm weighing, but open wide to other suggestions:

Four Martin WSX. Folded horn, the right profile, but I need a used set to turn up. Last one sold before I could move on it. (Sydney, Australia, and not a lot of decent subs turn up secondhand here sadly.)

SKRAMs, which I'd build. Deep, efficient, fast. Ticks every box on paper, just takes a build.

Funktion One F218. Fast, punchy, clean, built like a tank, exactly the character end of the spectrum. The catch is these are punch more than deep dig. F1 even sell a separate IB218 as low end extension below them, they want to be coupled in numbers to come alive, one or two in a room just sounds dry. So it would come down to running enough of them. And getting four F1 boxes at a sane price (especially in Australia)... who am I kidding.

The ported dual 18s I've looked at do deep and loud fine but don't seem to have the transient speed to sit under these particular tops.

What I'm after from the r/soundsystem hive mind:

WSX vs SKRAM vs F218 under efficient horn tops, real-world experience? Other/better suggestions?

Anyone run tapped horns or F1 bass under vintage pro tops, how did the character match land?

Where do you actually cross your WSX? I know it wants to go low given the folded path, curious where people settle.

Sub speed is real and audible. A horn or tapped horn sits under characterful tops better than a ported box because the transient response and lower distortion actually match. Keen to hear from anyone who has A/B'd horn vs ported under tops like these and can confirm or push back either way.

Happy to answer anything on the Dante or DSP side. Cheers and thank you in advance.

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u/coax_k — 1 day ago

es18 or c2d 18”?

any of yall heard both and could perhaps provide some insight into their sonic characteristics? i’ve only heard 15” c2d’s in person.

planning to run em 65/70-150/160ish.

edit: we play mostly dnb/jungle/dubstep

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u/jungchorizo — 22 hours ago

"Little" rig in Sardegna

We had a "little" bday party 4 our mate in banger spot in the rural Sardegna

In the middle :

10 21" F1

4 2x18" turbo sound

4 2x15" turbo sound

3 aspect turbo sound

On the side x 2 :

4 18" WSXA Martin Audio

3 15" B115 Martin Audio

2 Tops Martin Audio (i can't remember the name)

u/Medical-Purple-2597 — 1 day ago

RootzSoundz - Fortaleza-CE 🇧🇷

Kingston Club - Fortaleza-CE Brasil

We love jamaican roots here in Fortaleza!

u/Gabrielm_dev — 1 day ago

BEAUTY of a day to setup the stack in Vancouver.

21” Super Scoops
18” Cubo Kicks
JMODs

The outer kicks have cover plates on them as well haven’t been able to order the other 2 drivers so they’re used as risers for the time being.

u/BananaCamPhoto — 2 days ago

I haven't posted the white ones before, but you might recognize the orange ones or the venue.

From my friend Jennn's 4th of July InterdepenDance day party. Barn Room, The Loom, Oakland, CA.

u/RollingMeteors — 2 days ago

Loudest enclosoure

What’s the loudest enclosure within these dimensions?

Within 30-80hz

H: 62cm
W: 137cm
D: 85cm

Is there a textbook answer here? Got so much varied feedback in the last post

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u/Emergency_Ability100 — 2 days ago

18" Techno Shed Sub

Hi Sound System Team

I realise this project might sits on the boundary between home and pa but I'm posting here as I think you guys will have more wisdom on the proposed tuning freq than the home system builders. Please advise otherwise if appropriate.

To avoid a load of newbie questions I've been working with CoPilot, who of course has learnt a whole lot from Reddit! Guess we'll see if it's given me good advice, I'm here to get a human expert sanity check.

I look forward to hearing from you and thanks very much in advance :-)

Requirements

  • Use case: Subwoofer for a 10 x 8m shed (aka The Techno Shed) system used mostly at moderate volume, with occasional party‑level SPL.
  • Music focus: Techno, house, minimal, electro, some pop and rock — strong energy in the 45–80 Hz band.
  • System integration: Must work cleanly with Peavey PV1500 (40 Hz low‑cut, 100 Hz crossover) and Mackie C300 tops which I own already.
  • Room behaviour: Avoid boominess and excessive low‑end buildup in a small reflective space.
  • Build practicality: Must be easy to construct from standard sheet material with simple bracing and a slot port.
  • Reliability: Must control cone excursion at party SPL with the PV1500’s available power.
  • Warmth at low volume: Sub should sound full and present even when played quietly.
  • Top‑end support: Sub must fill the missing low‑end below the Mackie C300’s natural roll‑off (~70 Hz).

Brief specs: Mackie C300 tops

  • Type: Passive 12" + horn
  • Power: ~300 W program
  • Sensitivity: ~99 dB
  • Low‑end roll‑off: Steep below 65–70 Hz
  • Behaviour: Loud, clean, but no real bass → requires a sub.

Brief specs: Peavey PV1500 amplifier

  • Power: ~500 W/ch @ 4 Ω, ~300 W/ch @ 8 Ω
  • Filters:
    • 40 Hz low‑cut (always on),100 Hz crossover (optional)
  • Behaviour: Strong mid‑bass power, reliable, ideal for a single 18" reflex sub. To power both tops and sub.

Design decisions

  • Driver selection:
    • Chose Fane Colossus 18XB for high sensitivity, strong motor, good excursion handling, and proven reflex performance.
      • Availability in the UK is essential
  • Cabinet volume:
    • Selected 160 L net as the optimal balance between tight control (smaller boxes) and warmth/weight (larger boxes).
  • Tuning frequency:
    • Set tuning at 41 Hz to align with the PV1500’s 40 Hz high‑pass filter — avoids wasting power below the filter and keeps bass tight.
  • Port type:
    • Chose a wide slot port for low air velocity, no chuffing, and easy DIY construction.
  • Excursion management:
    • Slightly smaller volume + 41 Hz tuning chosen to keep excursion safe at high SPL with the PV1500.
  • Integration with tops:
    • Designed bandwidth and tuning to hand over smoothly around 80–100 Hz with the Mackie C300s.
  • Prioritised punch over depth:
    • Focused on the 45–80 Hz region rather than chasing sub‑30 Hz extension that the PV1500 filters out anyway.

Brief specs: Fane Colossus 18XB driver

  • ~ £280
  • Power: 1000 W program
  • Sensitivity: ~98 dB
  • Fs: ~35 Hz
  • Xmax: ~7.5 mm
  • Behaviour: Punchy, efficient, excellent in 140–200 L reflex boxes.

Design

  • Cabinet type:
    • Simple rectangular reflex enclosure, ~160 L net internal volume.
  • Tuning:
    • 41 Hz via a wide slot port sized for low turbulence.
  • Bracing:
    • Window brace + side‑to‑side braces to stiffen panels without obstructing airflow.
  • Materials:
    • 18 mm plywood for strength, weight, and ease of construction.
  • Acoustic behaviour:
    • Tight, controlled bass with strong punch in the 45–80 Hz band.
    • Warm at low volume, clean at party SPL, minimal boom in small rooms.
  • System match:
    • Designed specifically to complement the PV1500’s filters and the Mackie C300’s natural roll‑off.
  • Practical build:
    • All panels fit cleanly on a standard 2440×1220 mm sheet with straightforward cuts.
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u/prickly_stone — 2 days ago

#5F0C10 Void Red - The Loom - 4th of July party.

There was a lot going on running two rooms so I didn't get to take as many photos as I wanted especially of the amp rack.

u/RollingMeteors — 2 days ago

Bill Fitzmaurice Tuba 60 dual12" replica, widened version (79 cm vs 76 cm) – how much does it affect performance?

Hi everyone,

As i posted before, I recently bought what appears to be a replica of a Bill Fitzmaurice Tuba 60 dual12". After comparing it with the plans and getting opinions from several people, I'm confident it's based on a dual 12" Tuba 60 design.

However, it's not an exact copy. The cabinet is about 79 cm wide instead of the 76 cm width of the original plans, so it's roughly 4% wider.

I'm planning to load it with two Eminence LAB12 drivers.

My questions are:

  • How much would increasing the width by about 4% affect the horn's performance if the rest of the horn geometry is unchanged?
  • Has anyone here built or measured a widened Tuba 60?
  • Should I expect any noticeable loss in performance, or is this considered a minor modification?

I'd really appreciate any experience, Hornresp simulations, or measurements.

Thanks!

Ps: if someone could help me identify the top speaker id be appreciated, someone said its the tuba45, any confirmation?

u/Valuable-Paramedic-8 — 3 days ago

Can anyone identify this old DIY dual 15" bass cabinet?

I'm trying to identify this DIY dual 15" bass cabinet so I can buy the correct drivers and hopefully build more of them.

What I know:

-Approx. dimensions: 152 × 79 × 76.5 cm -Holds 2 × 15" drivers -Both drivers fire into the same internal chamber -Previous owner recommended Fane Sovereign 15-400LF or the box Speaker 15-300/8-A, but I don't know if those are the original drivers.

I'm hoping someone actually recognises this cabinet, knows what design it is based on, or has seen these before. Even if you dont recognise the exact cabinet, id appreciate any clues about what design it might be based on

I've attached all the photos I have.

Thanks!

u/Valuable-Paramedic-8 — 4 days ago