





I feel like even Season 4's defenders concede that Zelda was pretty terrible - is there anyone who actually enjoyed her?
I love Ted Lasso. I have a "Believe" sign over my office door. I wish that the show would address Ted Lasso's salary more especially in season 4.
The lowest paid premier league coaches make around $2 million a year.
Season 1 is the perfect season of television, so there probably isn't any need to fuss, but I do wonder if Rebecca could have used a cheap salary as justification for bringing Ted in.
In Season 2 and 3, you are dealing with relegation and promotion, and some angst between Rebecca and Ted and Nate. You'd think there would be some discussion of salary for Ted. When Nate changes teams, he is given a $220,000 car.
And then in Season 4, Ted brings his family over. He lives in a pub-apartment. I didn't notice where his ex-wife was supposedly staying, but she gave up a home and career to move to London, which is one of the most expensive cities in the world. And based on my research, a head coach for a second-league women's team would likely make less than $100,000 a year. In London.
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And then Ted asks to be downgraded to assistant manager, which is very sweet for a lot of reasons, but Coach Chilton was probably only making like $40,000 a year. It's nice that Ted will have extra time to go to his son's games, but he also needs to pay for his family's lives.
I appreciate that Ted Lasso is largely escapism television, but the show does talk about money in a lot of other contexts. Financial pressures, ticket sales, Keely's company funding, Roy Kent and other players' contract negotiations, tricked out Mercedes G-Wagons and other exotic cars.
But financial pressure just isn't ever a story line for Ted. Maybe he is just coasting by on the 5 million bucks he made for coaching Richmond?
Does anyone else think the saddest thing about the shares plot is that the club went from being fan-owned, back to being owned by rich people?
It completely undid the idea of a community being able to own their own team and instead the wealthy having complete control. One of the coolest things about S3, totally undone just to have some false drama, never-real-stakes plot device for Rebecca (did we ever REALLY think she'd lose control of the club)?
This was kind of a storyline about how extreme wealth always just ends up on top and rich people can do whatever they want and we're just supposed to celebrate it because at least the 'good' rich people were victorious in the end. The final call didn't even come down to the three guys who owned 1 share in between (which, let's be clear, would have been way cooler - if they were always the deciding vote).
(And no way she re-sells to the community - she's learned the potential consequence of doing so + made it clear how annoyed she was by the big shareholder meetings with so many voices).
I had never heard this song before and fell in love with it. Are there any albums or singers that I should listen to if I want to listen to similar style music? I tried reading about Irish music a bit but there's so much and it got overwhelming. I'm more interested in vocals than instruments. Save me from having this song on repeat...!
edit: thanks for the suggestions everyone! I will be looking up all these artists :-) to be clear, I was looking for recommendations for *other* similar songs and artists based on the rendition of the song in the show, I found plenty of versions of the parting glass easily :-)
Should you marry the gorgeous Amazonian billionaire?? Hmmmmm, what a head scratcher! FFS!
Who, WHO?!?, would say no??
I was curious on what other people thought about Matthijs, this seasons especially but also just from his appearance in Season 3. I'll be honest, I never got good vibes from him and I felt his behaviour this season was especially weird and kinda shady. I don't know if this season really sold me on Rebecca's relationship with him and that he's a good fit for her. If anything this season made me think he was totally wrong for her, but in a way that makes me think the writers aren't intentionally writing him this way similar to the whole Michelle and Dr Jacob thing. I also worry any attempts to course correct might low key make things worse in a similar way to Michelle and Dr Jacob.
What are other people's thoughts on him? Do people have a more positive view of this guy?
i really liked alice's mic drop button in the diamond dogs + cat people fatherhood advice scene and how they took a moment to nudge us to understand how it applies to each person in the room;
for alice, it's a lesson she has quietly and repeatedly pushed herself through since before we've even met her. there are hints throughout the season that she feels inadequate now compared to how she felt as a player (most recent eg her instinctive handwaving at the dr that she's 'just gemma's coach' and pride at being called 'the great' as well). she never let herself disappear which we knew she felt like was happening after her injuries from her plea to rebecca about not letting gemma feel she was "disappearing in real time". she was tempted to disappear at the boat party when zelda shoved her aside without acknowledgement. she felt inadequate as a coach after suspension and her insecurities being aired to the girls but she didnt disappear and in the end she reaped the reward for that bravery.
roy as her direct analog from the original series fittingly also embodied this lesson this season. after disappearing on (ie breaking up with) keeley because he felt inadequate his whole arc was realising he had to acknowledge his own power and raise himself up to the pedestal he puts keeley on to be with her instead of casting himself as not worthy, which he was doing in s3 (which arc had been cooking since that 'woman on top' magazine didnt include him and he believed she was better on her own than him dragging her down).
ted needed to hear it because he was hiding the truth and a part of himself by lying to henry about his father's suicide and his own relationship to it because he was worried he wouldn't be able to give him enough reassurance, adequately account for the inevitable grief and confusion and make it all ok for his son. he was disappearing in his relationship to his son by withholding honesty and frankness and they reconnected when he committed to showing up.
beard feels inadequate after a series of misfortunes and humiliations all coalescing with his ageing mortal body and so he chooses to disappear into a jamie tartt disguise, concealing his real hair situation, eye colour, actual personal style etc but after this banger hits he allows himself to be freshened up by isaac and revealed in his bare glory.
nate he obviously disappeared from richmond because of his deep feelings of inadequacy he was trying to paper over by first going with rupert, then left coaching premier league football entirely bc at least partially he felt inadequate to the task when he had so much personal growth to do. now he's back visiting richmond after ages and sees they all are so happy to see him. and of course he's a new dad, always relevant to say and esp if there was a hinty-hint he might come back to be the men's manager on ted's rec.
higgins, ever the role model husband & father, fittingly demonstrated having taken on this lesson all the way back in the first season when he clearly felt morally inadequate for how he was complicit in deceiving rebecca and so chose, rather than disappear, to face her every day and try to be better.
quite nice hey! i do have a lot of critiques for this season but ultimately as long as it's a setup for s5 i'm happy bc that's the only way i can read it. tanya reynolds as alice chilton is the undisputable MVP of the season, all i wanted to see was more of her, and the final ep especially made it screamingly clear that the theme of this season was literally CHANGE IS GOOD
When death comes like the hungry bear in autumn…
when death comes and takes all the bright coins from his purse to buy me, and snaps the purse shut… when death comes like the measle pox…
when death comes like an iceberg between the shoulder blades… I want to step through the door full of curiosity, wondering… what’s it gonna be like, that cottage of darkness?
And therefore I look upon everything as a brotherhood and a sisterhood, and I look upon time as no more than an idea, and I consider eternity as another possibility…
and I think of each life as a flower, as common as a field daisy, and as singular. And each name a comfortable music in the mouth…
tending, as all music does…
towards silence.
And each body a lion of courage… and something precious to the earth.
When it’s over, I want to say: all my life I was a bride married to amazement.
That I was the bridegroom, taking the world into my arms.
When it’s over, I don’t want to wonder if I have made of my life something particular… Thank you.
and real.
When it’s over…
I don’t want to find myself sighing.
And frightened… or full of argument. I don’t want to end up simply having visited this world.
sorry if this has been mentioned but I love Alice’s assumption that there will be more cat people joining her. when Ted says you’re just one person she says “for now, but there will be others, or something like that. rather than be a lone cat person she knows she can trust others and be a part of a group so she goes with “cat people” instead of cat person because she knows she won’t always be the only member.
such a beautiful way to mark her growth. obsessed with her little paws, lol
I genuinely loved S4. Defended it several times in this sub over the past few weeks.
But I cannot get behind this archaic, stereotypical portrayal of a female villain.
I’ve internally debated with myself for several weeks… that it’s a TV show, it adds some quirk / differentiation to the characters etc etc.
But nah.. the costume and styling for Zelda was deliberate and unilateral without any depth.
was absolutely the funniest moment of the season (for me). The way she immediately yelled, "Go fuck yourself!" to him when he said he was taking the Chelsea job just made me bark-laugh.
That whole scene was so funny. "...just stringing us along." You don't believe that." "Oh, the FUCK I don't." "Is there booze in that?' "No, bellend! That is why I said, 'I needed(uh) a drink!'"
Second funniest was Lizzie telling Boots, "I'm gonna kick that ball today like it's his fucking dick."
Also? Hannah Waddingham is, of course, always spectacularly gorgeous, but that fuchsia blouse? That is her color. Good lord. And with those arms and shoulders? My queen.
All in all, I enjoyed the season because I didn't really need much more from it than to revisit characters that I enjoyed and missed seeing. I wasn't expecting Gordon Ramsay's Beef Wellington; I was expecting a sausage roll from a petrol station and I'm happy with that.
Hey everyone! Just wanted to get everyone’s opinion on their thoughts of season 4. I personally loved this season (I love every season of course) but this show honestly changed my life and is in my top 5 shows of all time so I was just curious on what everyone else thought or if it’s just me lol. Cheers everyone!
The Diamond Dogs-Cat People scene has a wealth of visual and verbal delights, but beyond >!Nate destroying a bookshelf while getting up to his customary perch!<, the one that strikes me most is how it illustrates that >!Alice has completely bought in to the “yes, and…(baby!)” ethos!<.
She’s faced with a group of grown men ludicrously barking before starting a conversation, and when she finds out why, she not only stays to participate (yes), but decides to do it as a cat instead of a dog (and…), and they proceed to discuss >!Roy’s impending parenthood (!<>!baby!!<>!)!<, all while she meows and makes air biscuits!
Bonus points to the writers because she participates as a cat and not a female dog because a) well, that would carry with it an unfortunate name and nuance and b) her character is clearly coded as feline.