r/TheTraitors

When everyone refers to Bella as they/them, and when the TV captions said they, it made me smile. It's not much, but to see someone as high profile as Bella show how easily people can use other pronouns was really nice.

Even TV hard man Ross Kemp can use they/them.

I know the production crew probably had some meeting where they made sure everyone knew, but even so.

God forbid we get a trans contestant next. What ever would we do? Treat them as they wish to be treated and move on.

People here and on the internet speculate that there is some kind of a paycheck for the celebrities, has this been confirmed by anyone? If yes, what amount of money are we talking here?

I see so many mixed feelings about how Maya is playing as a traitor. I think she's doing a very good job! She often brings up theories of traitorous behaviour without naming names, letting others come to conclusions themselves so as to make them think it was their idea. This means she doesn't get implicated or called out for spreading gossip. She hasn't really had much heat at all and the heat she does get dies out super quick.

She also seems to have a very natural delivery when she does gossip, the bit she said in the most recent episode where she reassured Joanna that it wasn't her that got Julie banished- 'James Blunt led the charge' or something along those lines- was very natural and helped boost Joanne's confidence while setting up future banishments! Granted this could all be unintentional but even if it is, she is clearly built for this sort of game.

Still just about counts as a spoiler I think

Here's what I think caused Richard E Grant's disastrous "I'm a traitor" gaffe.

He was in "after party" mode.

His brain was in that mode of "well, I've done my acting tonight and that's over with so now I can just relax with a drink with the other thesps"

Presumably for most of his acting career there have always been this division between when you're acting, when you're "on stage", you're performing you keep up the facade for the punters, etc, and then the other times when you're relaxing with your fellow cast and crew after the performance is over, often with a drink in a nice bar or (probably) castle. At that point you - literally - drop the act and chat about how the play or whatever is going.

He just forgot in that moment that this game doesn't work like that.

Flipping your very vocal suspicion (of Hannah Fry) to join a pile-on (of Julie ) is the sort of thing that gets used as “evidence” at the Round Table. Blunt will probably go before Miranda, but that vote flip was an unforced error. Fry may even be the one to use it, since it was one of her “statistical clues pointing to a traitor” things.

Not sure if anyone else picked up on this, but Kenny could be potentially playing a very solid game. Here's what I think:

1. Kenny has been labelled a "content creator", so compared to other celebs who are actors/actresses, singers, and comedians, he is naturally an "outcast" from the group. As a result he has formed weaker connections with others compared to the Jerry, Romesh and Rob trio (for example). This can work to his advantage, because it means he does not let strong relationships blind him from seeing who traitors are

2. I have noticed that Kenny barely gets any screen time. In fact, the only time he really spoke up was when he mentioned the shield situation between him and Hannah (he was completely correct btw). As a beta squad fan, of course I wished he got more screen time, but at the same time this means that Kenny can stay under the radar. The traitors have never mentioned his name at all to kill him, and the faithfuls never suspected him

If Kenny can contribute more to the faithfuls, and keep being observant, then he could play a serious game. Especially in later stages, if you don't contribute anything to the faithfuls, you could be voted out anyways.

But they've been absolutely terrible this series, right? Like uniquely so?

The whole buried alive one obviously.

And the most recent "celebrities hold hands and chant while the others pretend to be scared of photographs and doors knocking" was one of the worst ever and it lasted for ages too.

This isn’t an American-hating post! I just have found that there’s a really clear ‘jarring’ effect from the few American celebs in amongst the others. Maybe it’s the manner of speaking/ accents sticking out, but it just felt like they didn’t quite fit in. Wondering if anyone else felt that or if it’s just me? The moments that stuck out most were Jerry Hall walking in in the morning and shouting about Richard and being met with blank/confusion, and Myha’la talking over people a lot (I know it’s par for the course in this game but it feels more noticeable- again maybe it’s just a volume/accent thing). I will add I felt horrible for Myha’la in the round table where she got emotional, she seemed so young and ganged up on in the room (again, I know it’s a game and it’s not that deep but bless her).

We have discussed over the seasons the many small and big flaws of this game, but I think the main most frustratingly obvious issue is that banishing a traitor means absolutely nothing.... 'Well done faithfuls! You got one!' for then a new one being recruited before they even hit their bed. Back to square one.. it's become such a weak point that it is so obvious both to players (even tho they can't really point that out because production doesn't really want them to) and to the viewers...

I'm sure there are ways to fix this.. even if it was a monetary reward added to the prize.. why not add an extra 5k to the pot each time they catch one?! Wouldn't completely solve this fundamental problem but at least it would make it more meaningful.

Now, before I start talking about my thoughts and ideas, I just wanted everyone to know that I’m quite biased, as I’m a massive fan of Hannah Fry. Therefore, I don’t really want her to be banished.
Anyway, I was really curious to hear everyone’s thoughts and opinions regarding who will be banished in the next episode. I think Miranda could come under some heat due to being very adamant about Hannah being a traitor, only to change her vote to Julie at the last minute.

If the traitors choose to murder Leigh-Anne, would this not confirm to everyone that shes a faithful? This is different as when they murder a shielded person as that could be a lie, but with this murder, Leigh-Anne has 3 eye witnesses to say that they tried to kill her, thus proving shes a faithful as traitors cant kill other traitors. Anyone else notice this or am I missing something?

I don’t think this is a spoiler - but it is something I heard about Traitors outside of the official show so proceed with caution…

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This is probably just minor gossip, but perhaps we’ll see it play out in the game play?

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Romesh said on his podcast with Tom Davis that there were some fellow players that just didn’t really like his general vibe on the Traitors. He was pretty chill and philosophical about this revelation and essentially said “sometimes people just don’t like you and that’s okay”.

Unfortunately, I just remembered this comment after episode four and now I’m wondering who it might be! Like a low stakes (okay Probs no stakes) mini game within the game.

1. Obvious people he’s friends with/has worked with previously:

Rob
Joe L
Joanne Mc
Acaster
Miranda
Maya (League of their own and I l think she was a guest on hip hop saved my life)
Sheen (was his first guest on his solo podcast, and set a follow up message to the podcast recently)

2. Noticed he was vibing with during the show:

Jerry (the surprise trio we never expected- Jerry and her ‘two boys’ 🤣)
Bella (A few shots of them chatting and laughing together plus Bella sharing their suspicions with Rom)
Ross (partners in the graveyard game and seemed pretty bro-y)

3. Random assumptions

Bash (if Bella was onboard with Romesh I think Bash would be too)

4. Who could it be!

No idea! Has anyone noticed any colder interactions?

I am predicting that Romesh will get murdered in the next episode as I have a theory that the to-be murdered or banished players almost always get the most screen time compared to other players. He had so much more screen time in Ep 4 compared to the other players (granted he was being very funny). Also this trend is much easier to see early on in the seasons compared to later on (where there are fewer players due to murders/ banishments and screen time starts to equalise more).

Who do you think is getting murdered (if anyone) & why?

Watching celebrity version season 2…while it is entertaining still…it is a little disappointing to have 2/3 traitors not even WANT to be a traitor..it’s so strange. Usually turret chats are so fun and conniving…it’s such a bummer to see the lack of enthusiasm. They should have recruited Bella instead…dangit Richard why are you having senior moments out loud🙃…we were robbed of you as a traitor! Maya is fine as a traitor..just not very compelling tv to me personally. What are yall feeling about the season so far?

Cringed a bit at "Mahala" but then actually laughed out loud at "Hanna"

She is on it. She might have a better grasp of what is going on than even Hannah!

The finalists have been leaked by one of the celebrities friends. I haven't looked into it more than that because I don't want spoilers. Many news sites are talking about the leaks if you want to see it but I would discourage it.