Another Look A The Eurasian Brown Bear
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Another Look A The Eurasian Brown Bear

It's not absolutely perfect but I really don't think it's that bad. I think people forget the Grizzly and Eurasian are two completely different subspecies with big visual differences! The face isn't great but apart from that, it's not terrible.

u/RowGonsoleConsole — 14 hours ago

What An Absolutely Miserable Experience (Poland Season 3)

DISCLAIMER: The Traitors is an edited TV show and should be treatedd as such, all my comments and opinions are based off of both what we saw and things that have been confirmed by trusted sources, it seems like this season was as dreadful to film as it was to watch so lets keep it cool in the comments!

So, I've seen a lot of Traitors seasons, good ones, bad ones, odd ones, absolute standouts, but that begs the question, what do I think is the worst season worldwide? Well, there are a few answers to this. If you're looking objectively then it's probably one of the earlier seasons, something like >!Wallonia Season 1 . !< If you're looking at raw gameplay then you might say that the worst season is something like >!Australia Season 2. !< I have previously said that I think the worst season of the Traitors is >!Flanders Season 1!<, namely for its rampant misogyny, terrible atmosphere and poor winners. However, I have recently been on a bit of a non English season binge. I've watched a good amount of them but there are a few editions I haven't seen, Poland just so happens to be one of them. I really like the first 2 Polish seasons, the host is good, and they're both well cast, I prefer 2 to 1 but they're both pretty decent. I went into the third season with huge expectations, the second season was so good that I thought it would only get better, boy was I wrong....

I truly think that Iza might be a contender for the worst contestant to ever be on the Traitors with Pawel and Dorota not far behind. Wojtek was also terrible but out of the four of them, he was the most tolerable my some margin. Iza's constant fatshaming of Natalia was disgusting and she also said she was happy about Kasia S being murdered so she wouldn't have to look at her anymore. Pawel consistently shouted at anyone who disagreed with him and called everyone names, apologised, and then proceeded to do it again. Dorota bullied Lucja and was incredibly rude to almost everyone with the worst point being when she stood over Lucja and screamed in her face (seriously a contender for the most uncomfortable traitors moment ever). Wojtek was the least bad but he was incredibly patronising to anyone younger than him (especially the women).

I've gone down a bit of a rabbit hole and it turns out that over half of the cast have made online statements and comments saying that these 4 made filming the season as miserable as it was for us viewers to watch and what we saw was pretty much the truth.

Worst season ever, stay away if you're sensitive to bullying, fatshaming, misogyny, physical threat, appearance based mockery, and a whole load of other crap.

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u/RowGonsoleConsole — 3 days ago

Would be disappointed if ......... goes in AU3 (Early Thoughts On AU3)

I'd be really disappointed if Alex goes next. Based on the preview I don't think she will but it is a slight concern.

I'm not really sure what Kirby is trying to do here. It's clear Alex was helping to clear her name and I don't think strategically it's the right time for a move like this.

Alex is really the only player drawing me towards rooting for one side this season (the traitors). Alvin seems nice but he hasn't really done much yet. Kirby seems cool too but I don't have a ton of faith in her gameplay.

I can't say my hopes are particularly high for this season so far, a certain player who's stirring the pot is getting a bit too much screentime for my liking, but hey, that's what's made some of the show's greatest villains. But we're still early days and a lot can change!

On another note, what was with the piling on Rachel? She's a bit of an odd player in terms of gameplay but I can't believe Krissy got that offended (it's just a game!) In a similar vein even if he was complete chaos, I understand why Henry (aka Ricky Wilson from the Kaiser Chiefs) got so upset, maybe it's because these are reality TV stars but I'd never continuously call someone a bad faithful to their face (unless it's >!Michael Rappaport!<).

Anyway, just thought I'd share some early thoughts as I generally do the same for every season but I've just come back from holiday (vacation) and I haven't had time (yes the last part of the big ranking is coming!)

Would love to know people's thoughts!

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u/RowGonsoleConsole — 5 days ago

The Wildlife Reserves Seem Absolutely Massive

This is just an observation but the wildlife reserves seem like they're going to be massive. Just taking the Scottish Highlands as an example, it seems to have multiple different areas. A moorland area, a forested area, a river, an area with fields, a sparse woodland. These reserves seem like they're going to be huge and really vairied. Can't wait!

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u/RowGonsoleConsole — 8 days ago

My Opinions On Jeff Have Changed

I'm not saying Jeff was an incredible chef or anything but I can definitely see why he reacted the way he did to Ramsay.

He had to deal with passing kidney stones (which is incredibly painful) and got absolutely no sympathy from anyone.

Chris proceeded to lay into him for not a lot of reason when it was clear that Jeff was already struggling. Even Elsie, who I generally really liked was cold towards him.

At dinner service, Mary Ann and Gordon were constantly on at him. I'm not sure about anyone else but did it seem to anyone that Mary Ann was enjoying ripping into him a little bit too much? I don't necessarily blame her for being annoyed but it seemed a bit over the top. Him calling Ramsay an asshole I think was just a build up of both his team and Mary Ann constantly criticising and patronising him (particularly Chris).

He'd still be in my Bottom 3 chefs of season 1 but I think I'd definitely have Jessica below him now and possibly another, I'm not sure.

It's all a TV show at the end of the day, but I do think Jeff was generally treated a bit poorly and it shows how medical issues are taken far more seriously in the show nowadays

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u/RowGonsoleConsole — 15 days ago
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Berengaria of Navarre Is The Definition of Missed Potential

I've recently read up about what she got up to once Richard died and once becoming Lord of Le Mans, she really came into her own and was heavily involved in the local community as well as politics. She was an incredibly proactive and strong willed ruler and could have been an excellent consort. She frequently stood up to powerful men in the city and while I love Eleanor of Aquitaine as much as the next person, I think Berengaria could have been an excellent consort had she be given the chance.

Oh and she wouldn't let up on John about the fact he hardly ever paid her dower payments and clearly saw through some of his dodgy financial practices. Anyone who dislikes John is someone I like.

Curious to know people's thoughts on this.

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u/HoneybeeXYZ — 22 days ago

Ranking Every English Speaking Traitors Player! 40-21: We're Finally Back!

And we’re back again with the penultimate part of this crazy project. This me me writing this just before this comes out but I’m sorry this has taken so long to push out, I’ll be honest in saying that it’s been a mixture of burnout, and my health. I really wanted to go into a lot of detail on a lot of these players and had I written this a week or so ago, it just wouldn’t have been at the quality that I wanted or these players deserve! Sorry for the delay, hopefully the last part won’t take as long as thankfully I’m now a lot better (yes believe it or not, I have life outside of the Traitors! And I’m hoping to work on a new project once this has done, although it won’t be out for a bit). Also, I must also remind people that we all have opinions on this show and they’re all valid! Sadly, myself and some other people received some not very nice comments last time and this shouldn’t happen. Discussing opinions is great! If you think that Lisette from Canada 3 is the best faithful of all time, then that’s great and I’d love to know why. But having opinions on a show that’s very opinion driven anyway shouldn’t warrant nasty comments. Lets be nice to both the players and other people on this sub, and discuss this show we love so much! Anyway, with that out of the way, lets get on with the ranking! 

40: Trishelle (US2): In my eyes, definitely the stronger of the two US2 winners, CT was a bit more watchable but in terms of pure gameplay, Trishelle was better by a mile in me eyes. She made a good alliance with the Peter Pals while also keeping close with CT which would eventually win her the whole season. I think the reason I can’tput Trishelle higher is because of watchability, she just isn’t a player I particularly connected with and while I don’t think it was deliberately done, going as hard as she did on Peppermint definitely left a sour taste inn my mouth (I’m queer myself). But she has to rank this high for her gameplay alone.  

39: Cedric (CA2): And here we have another player whose main gameplay journey came down to just trying to survive. I do appreciate that Cedric was slightly chaotic but he didn’t deserve to be as distrusted as he was. Cedric is fantastic in terms of watchability. He was very likeable, had some very entertaining moments during the missions and somehow he ends up being one of the better late game players of this season as he voted for 2 out of 3 traitors before being banished. It was great to see him take home a small amount of money after the attitude people had towards him all season. I liked Cedric, very entertaining! 

38: Mollie (UK2): Ok, so this is a placement that I’m aware is very controversial and completely non-objective. But I don’t care, I just really liked Mollie. Had she won, I think we’d be talking about her and Jaz as being the strongest faithful winners collectively. She played pretty flawlessly up until the late mid game as she had an excellent voting record and played a wallflower game. Even towards the end, she’d figured out that Andrew was a Traitor. But there is one teeny tiny problem, the person she’d put the most trust in, was Harry and he was a traitor. This sadly completely destroyed her game and it’s what lost the faithfuls the season. Yes, I know ranking Mollie this high is nuts but she also seemed like a lovely person and she’s one of the reasons I love UK2 so much! 

37: Maddy (UK1): Somehow, Maddy wound up being the strongest faithful in UK1. I’m very critical of the people who say the gameplay in UK1 was better than UK2 and to be honest, I don’t really see any line of argument for that but Maddy unknowingly perhaps played a very good game. She was so utterly chaotic that she was never going to get murdered but never came under enough suspicion until the late game that she was going to get banished. She hit correctly on Wilf althogh it was a bit of a case where a broken clock is right twice a day. But of course what Maddy is mostly known for is her entertainment, she might just be the most quoted player in franchise. They’re great and without Maddy, I would find UK1 horrifically boring on the faithful side of things. 

36: Nigel (AU1): Lovely guy but that was kind of his downfall. Nigel came in as one of the most compelling people we’ve seen on the show. His backstory is incredible and he was a dead cert for being selected as a traitor. He played a very good game as a traitor until his final three episodes. Recruiting Alex ended up being a huge mistake and the idea of backstabbing her massively backfired. However, in truth, Nigel’s biggest gameplay fault was being too nice, he just wasn’t willing to throw the other original traitors under the bus unless he had to, while he did vote for Angus, it was more of a case of him having to rather than wanting to. After the Marielle blindside, Nigel stuck out like a sore thumb and he was banished at the next round table. Nigel perhaps could have gone a bit further if he was willing to be a bit more cutthroat (even the Alex backstabbing idea came more from Marielle than him). Nice guy but possibly to his downfall. 

35: Parvati (US2): I have no idea who Parvati is outside of the show but she may convince me to watch survivor if her traitors appearance is anything to go off of. I really liked Parvati, more than I probably should as in terms of gmepay, she does get outdone by Phaedra in practically every way. But I just couldn’t help but love her, her relationship with Sandra is interesting, normally I don’t like feuds in the US version and they tend to annoy me (Kate/Rachel Chrishell/Tom, Carolyn/Danielle, Rappaport/Everyone). But here’s just something about Parvati vs Sandra that works for me, I think it’s because it’s slowly bubbling away for a while and they end up using each other strategically through most of the game. In the end, by the end of the season, they actually became quite friendly and as far as I know remain so to this day!  

34: Phaedra (US2): I was very curious to see who ranked higher out of Parvati and Phaedra as I really liked them both. In the end, they ranked right next to each other and I just gave the edge to Phaedra. Phaedrais the queen of entertainment, she is also very quoteable and her nicknames (Bergalicious) stick with fans to this day. Gameplay wise, Phaedra was quite easily the strongest of the three initial US2 traitors, Dan sadly named her when he was being voted out and from that point, I think it was only a matter of time before she got banished. I’m actually shsocked she lasted as long as she did, she’d been under suspicion for a while by her banishment. I can’t stand the bravo type shows (I tried one episode and that was enough) but Ohaedra was great, I’d love to see anything else she’s been involved with that isn’t bravo. 

33: Jessie (UK4): Jessie is truly Maddy but significantly better in almost every way. Her theories are more logical, despite being a bit chaotic. She’s also very quoteable and has a great entertainment value. She massively kept the morale of players up throughout most of the season (everyone just seemed deflated when she left). You can really point to two big gameplay moments when talking about Jessie. The first would be the Library 5 which actually helped to get Fiona out. I think people near universally agree that out of Jessie’s two theories that this is the stronger one, sure it did have room for error but it helped to catch a traitor, even if it wasn’t the one Jessie was looking to catch! Jessie’s second theory, the cage theory is definitely the weaker of the two and it definitely did require some luck but it was still right! Jessie got murdered before she could really put together a strong argument against Stephen based on the cage theory but she still had a very good run nonetheless! 

32: Charlotte (UK3): I love villains when they’re done well and while Charlotte may not be a villain in the most traditional sense, she’s definitely the nearest thing to it in UK3 (yes I don’t see Leanne as a villain). But wow, she played a great game up until the seer. She played a fairly quiet game as a faithful but then a switch definitely turned upon becoming a traitor. I didn’t enjoy watching her use Freddie as bait but it was a really good gameplay move and a smart strategyn to ensure she was in a great position going into the final. But then the seer happened at it ruined any chance of a satisfying endgame. Charlotte did her best but sadly she was never winning after that. It’s a shame the seer did just obliterate any chance UK3 had of a good ending. I’d have taken a Charlotte win or a 4 person faithful victory (even if I don’t think they were going to end it with Alexander anyway sadly). Also, the fake Welsh gimmick was just weird and stupid but it was sort of a so bad its good type of twist (I know Harry wasn’t a fan but then that’s from Harry so take it how you will).  

31: Paul (UK2): And here he is! My favourite villain in the franchise is Paul from UK2. What a legend, he added just the right amount of villainy without ever going overboard. What I love about Paul is the storyline he went on during the show. In the first 4 episodes, he absolutely dominates the turret and its clear he’s the most natural leader of the traitors. He’s pretty dominant in terms of the season as a whole up until episode 4 where he makes arguably one of the biggest mistakes I’ve ever seen from a traitor. Putting himself in the dungeon was a massive and really unnecessary risk when they already knew Andrew was a popular player. It was so clear that if Meg was murdered and not him that he was probably a traitor and this was such a huge mistake. From the 5^(th) episode onwards Harry began to become a lot more influential in the turret and it was clear that Paul was on borrowed time. Hell, Miles would have almost certainly outlasted him if not for the murder in plain sight. But lets be honest, most people like Paul for his entertainment value primarily and I completely agree. He’s an absolkute legend and him being more of a panto villain and hamming it up so much was incredible and makes him really stand out from any other villain. I loved Paul and he also seems like a lovely guy!  

30: Utah (NZ2): I love NZ2 as many people already know and Utah was arguably the best faithful in terms of raw gameplay. The guy got an astonishing amount right and he was only around for 8 episodes. Utah had pretty much all the tools to be one of the best faithfuls ever, he’s a natural leader, he’s got good reads, everyone got on with him, all things that have made up some of the best faitfhuls we’ve seen. However, there’s one flaw in his gameplay which arguabnly lost him the season and means I can’t put him up higher. He was way too open and this exposed him as a massive threat. The Traitors were never going to allow someone as good as him into the lategame because he really could have turned the tide. A great faithful but he’s one of the clearest examples of showing that you need to keep some of your cards close to your chest in order to get to the end.  

29: Dylan (US3): Dylan is an interesting player. I think you can split his journey into three parts. He had a great beginning with him being onto Bod the Drag Queen and a great end with him only voting for traitors in the late game. However, the middle is why I can’t put him any higher. He had a massive blind spot for Boston Rob and his mid game votes were absolutely all over the place. I mean he even voted for Gabby twice, and chose to end the gamne with her! However, what I like to see on this show is people learning from their mistakes and Dylan definitely did. I’d say he’s a contender for the best of US3’s winners even if I prefer Gabby and Ivar is the best statistically, I think Dylan is the best of both worlds. I did really like Dylan and he had some very entertaining moments (Miss Guided), but there are just people I like a little bit more.  

28: Noel (NZ2): Poor guy, he just never caught a break. Noel 100% had the hardest time of any player we’ve seen and it isn’t even a contest. I think Jade and Noel are in a whole different league with how rough their rides were but at least Jade got some rest at points whereas from the death list onwards, he was always being suspected to some extent even when the others were voting out traitors. Therefore, I see it as a big gameplay pro for Noel that he even lasted into the late game, he very nearly made the final and how he lasted as long as he did is incredible honestly. Noel voted for a few traitors but to be honest, he was just mainly trying to survive so it isn’t surprising that he has a particularly outstanding voting record (it isn’t bad but not one of the best either). Noel is this high primarily for his watchability. He’s my absolute favourite underdog in the franchise and I wish he’d made it to the final. NZ2 is great at ensuring everyone in the season (with perhaps one exception being Stephen) has a role to play in the edit and Noel is perhaps the greatest example of this (along with someone else we’ll get to in just a second).  

27: Amanda (UK1): Amanda really set the stage for playing a very social traitors game. She was fantastic socially (one of the best we’ve seen) while not being afraid to make some bold moves as traitors (such as trying to recruit Alex).Amanda is obviously one of the most famous traitors from the UK version and thats for very good reason. She’s got some really good entertainment value (such as reminding Wilf which animal is on the Welsh Flag) along with having great gameplay. I know there are some people who think she was a better traitor than Wilf and while personally that isn’t an opinion I share, I do see where people come from, even if I disagree. I really liked Amanda and along with Wilf, I think she set the precedent for what I like to call constructive and destructive traitors. I will talk about this more when I talk about Wilf but this is an idea I personally came up with to group traitors into one of two groups. Constructive traitors focus on trying to build up trust in the turret, will only backstab other traitors when they have to and generally have a more rounded social game among the faithfuls. Destructive traitors have much less loyalty toward fellow traitors and tend to focus more on individual faithfuls rather than the faithfuls as a group. Like I said, I’ll explain more about this when I talk more about Wilf but this is how I personally categorise traitors in terms of gameplay. There are examples of people who show elements of both (Bailey for example) and neither way is necessarily good or bad but I think it’s an interesting way to look at things. 

26: Mark (AU1): So take what I said about Utah, apply it to AU1 and you basically have Mark. Mark voted for a traitor every single time apart from his first 2 round tables. That is an absolutely crazy statistic and hge most likely would have voted for a traitor at the next two and maybe even more considering he was onto Marielle. Mark like Utah is an example however of appearing way too dangerous. He was an excellent player but you need to keep your cards close to your chest at times. I really liked Mark, he had some good entertainment value and had phenomenally (scarily good at times) great reads. Mark’s biggest flaw in terms of watchability is that he isn’t around long enough to really have an impact on the late mid game and late game but he still had a really good run and I liked him a lot!  

25: Minah (UK3):Minah was such a great player to watch. I love this game for all the backstabbing, and mystery, and great moves, but it was just refreshing to watch a player who was absolutely lovely and was just there to have a good time and create something for her daughter to watch in the future. We all love Minah, but what makes her so great? She’s very under the radar for most of her run and when she gets voted out her parting line to Alexander is that he missed an h on her name. I’m glad Minah’s been swept up by the BBC for a TV career because she absolutely deserves it. I’d love to see her on something like Strictly one day, but hey that’s for a different sub! Minah was amazing and she showed that you can be the leader of the traitors without being super dominant in the turret. Plus, on a rewatch, wow did she go out of her way to protect Linda. Like Manada, Minah is a really good example of a constructive traitor (Linda and Armani are as well). I love, Minah, you love Minah, we all love Minah! I’m really glad she’s doing well for herself now. 

24: Carolyn (US3): Oh boy, I’m going to have to start this one with a bit of a disclaimer and warning. There are three subjects that I generally don’t touch on this sub purely because people feel so strongly one way or the other. Those include, the parting gift, Ireland’s Episode 11 round table, and the other one is Carolyn vs Danielle. So I must start by saying this, please keep things civil in the comments, it’s a game at the end of the day and while from my rankings you can probably tell I side with Carolyn, I think there’s a lot we didn’t see. So, Carolyn, what can I say about her. She’s very entertaining and has some of the best lines in US3, she’s also pretty good at the game and was very under the radar up until the chess mission. I don’t like how Danielle spoke to her and calling her Forrest Gump is just wrong on so many levels, that I don’t really want to go into (if you’re familiar with Forrest Gump then you will know why it’s so wrong) and I appreciate Danielle isn’t the easiest to like, but Carolyn didn’t exactly help herself at times. But Carolyn is high up on my list so lets talk about the good! She’s a great traitor, very entertaining and dealt with a lot of the non Danielle problems she had in her season very well. I’m not going to go too much into post show but Carolyn hasn’t helped herself at all and Danielle’s handled it much better. While I do really like Carolyn on show, Danielle did have a point about a couple of things.  

23: Mark (NZ2): Wow, here is a player who is truly like absolutely no other. Mark is well and truly unique and that’s one of his biggest pros. His gameplay style surrounds being suspicious and that’s actually a very valid strategy to getting to the end as a faithful (as long as you’re not too suspicious). The guy was clearly there to play the game and be absolute chaos and it was great to see. The first big thing I love about Mark is him smiling whenever he had suspicions on him, he was so excited the game to its max and it was fantastic. He was keeping notes about Jane the entire time and this was obviously correct and gives him a lot of gameplay value. However, perhaps what he is best known for is being recruited by Jane ina blackmail and doing the most legendary thing possible and turning it down. Not only does it make Bailey a traitor but it’s absolutely hilarious, especially considering he said it with such gumption. Absolute legend, although I can imagine he may have been challenging to play with as a faithful.  

22: Brooke (NZ1): Brooke was an absolutely great traitor and one of the best who didn’t win. To be honest, getting to the final 3 in a season with one of the strongest groups of faithfuls in traitors history is an achievement on its own. He was a great choice of recruitment and he saw off those who recruited him along with those that he recruited himself! I really liked his bond with those such as Sam, it gives him a lot of watchability points and I think he’s probably the best non winning recruited traitor that we’ve had (I would maybe take Charlotte or Andrew as a counter argument) purely because he lasted through most of the season and absolutely dominated the traitors while being among such a strong cast of faithful. I loved Brooke, he has such a good player and he doesn’t get talked about enough! 

21: Mike (CA1): So here we are, my personal least favourite winning Traitor. I must start this by saying that I still really like Mike but he’s the least good out of the winning traitors for me (EDITING ME HERE: I now think Chloe is the weakest but I'm not counting NZ3 on this list). What Mike is best known for is his endgame, I’m in agreement with a lot of people that I think Mike played the strongest endgame out of any traitor (Rachel is the only other person who I think could be given this title but she needed a lot of help from Stephen). Mike is a great player, he made great use of a recruit, and somehow managed to flip Gurleen’s vote against Leroy when he was her 100% faithful who she was going to end it with. I still have no idea how Mike, one, hell, I don’t think Mike even knew how Mike won. So if he was this good, then why is he not higher? Well, this is where I have to talk about the rest of his run. He definitely wasn’t a bad traitor at all in the early and mid game, I’d say he was in fact, but so much of the traitors edit for the first three quarters of the season focuses on Kuzie that it just doesn’t give Mike as much time to shine., Sure, this does begin to change as it goes on, but Canada 1 is known for absolutely terrible editing anyway and this is a very obvious example. Mike was absolutely great but he finishes at the bottom of the winning traitors for me! 

 

And just like that, we have the Top 20! I’m going to do some stats at the end of the next post but as a teaser here’s the number of players we have left from each season!  

 

UK1: 1, UK2: 2, UK3: 1, UK4: 2, UKC: 2, US1: 1, US2: 0, US3: 1, US4: 1, AU1: 2, AU2: 1, NZ1: 1, NZ2: 1, CA1: 0, CA2: 1, CA3: 2, IR1: 1

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u/RowGonsoleConsole — 27 days ago

Best Player Ever Hands Down

I've been rewatching Netherlands 3 and I'd forgotten what a fantastic player Noor was, she's like the best of HU1 >!Aniko!<, IRE >!Oyin!<, and CA3 >!Hollywood!< all in one.

I'm of the opinion it's way harder to be a great faithful than a great traitor and that's players like Noor stand out so much. I've done a bit of digging around this sub and I can't believe she isn't spoken about more!

Best of all time, no contest in my eyes. I've even changed my flair!

u/RowGonsoleConsole — 29 days ago

My Potentially Controversial DLC Ranking

A few things about me:

I'm an animal over scenery person. If the DLC has great animals and no scenery, I prefer it to weaker animals but good building pieces.

I tend to have animal families I prefer (Birds and Cats mostly).

u/RowGonsoleConsole — 30 days ago

The List of Clacton by Election Candidates is Just About the Most Insane Thing I've Seen

We have:

Frogface

Binface (obviously the best candidate!)

Jeremy Corbyn's Conspiracy Theorist Brother

Some random TV professional

A Far Right Clairvoyant

A Fascist Who Is Further Right Than Restore

A Guy Dressed As A Fox

Luke From Married At First Sight

An Engineering Student

Laurence Fox

This might just be the most insane line up of candidates I've ever seen. Because there are so many far right and right wing candidates, it could actually do binface a favour to fuck Frogface once and for all!

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u/RowGonsoleConsole — 1 month ago

The New Bear Model

I'll be honest in saying that I don't quite see the problems people have with the new brown bear model. I agree it's not perfect but we've only seen one image of it (and said image wasn't taken at the most flattering angle). Some people are saying that it's worse than the PZ1 Grizzly and I just don't see it. The Grizzly in PZ1 looked incredibly overweight and blocky, this new Eurasian Brown Bear looks significantly better in almost every way and remember Frontier are probably still fine tuning it (remember the Red Panda).

I say we wait for more images and videos of it before making a proper judgement. Frontier are fantastic at listening to the community so lets just wait and see before jumping to conclusions!

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u/RowGonsoleConsole — 1 month ago

Ranking Every English Speaking Traitors Player: 60-41

And we're back again with some more of this crazy project. We're now intro players I really like so that's great! Again, just the usual reminder to rmemeber this is an edited TV show and don't personally attack the players. Let's keep it nice! will be discussing a few controversial things today so just remember this even moreso. Let's go!

A QUICK NOTICE: This is my personal ranking, not an objective gameplay ranking.

60: Jane (NZ2): Jane is an interesting one. If we’re being objective, she probably shouldn’t be this high in terms of her gameplay. She wasn’t bad and I have to give her credit for getting out of a very sticky situation at the first round table but she wasn’t anything outstanding in terms of gameplay. However, the reason I like Jane is the reason NZ2 is probably my favourite non UK season, it’s the watchability side of things. Everyone in NZ2 has a role to play and Jane for the seasons first two thirds is pretty much at the center of this. She arguably gets the most screentime out of the 4 early traitors in NZ2. But I’ll get to my gushing of NZ2 further when we get to another player down the list. Jane was great, and survived a good while among a very strong cast.  

59: Kuzie (CA1): Kuzie is another player who I really enjoyed when I didn’t think I was going to initially. She seemed like she wanted to be a bit of a leader for the traitors in the first episode and I was slightly concerned that she’d be eating up an unreasonable amount of screentime, especially because she came from a reality TV background. However, I was so happy to be proven wrong. She was really good at the game as well as having a fascinating dynamic with Mike. Plus, she is just so naturally funny, I’d pay to watch her do comedy, she’d be excellent at it. I loved Kuzie and the only reason she doesn’t rank higher is because similar to Jane, she was good at the game but not particularly a standout traitor. Just like that we only have one CA1 player left! 

58: Vanessa (IR1): Oof, I know I’m going to get some people who think this is too low but just hear me out. Vanessa is fairly high when it comes to winning faithfuls, she made a good alliance with Oyin, she has an incredibly good voting record and actually ranks as the statistically joint second best faithful of all time. So why is she not higher? Well, there are a few reasons. Firstly, I think she got a bit lucky with the format of the season, if the roles weren’t revealed during the finale, then she would have been in an incredibly precarious position going into the firepit. This stems back to the previous episode with what I like to call, the worst round table in traitors history. I generally avoid discussing this round table because people just feel so strongly about it but my brief opinion is that no one was right (except for Ben who just sat there with his head in his hands). Faye overreacted a bit but Vanessa did go in too hard, Nick stirred the pot and Oyin’s argument wasn’t overly well communicated. I’m going to leave it at that because I’ve seen some frankly disgusting things said about Faye in particular as a result of this round table. My take on it is that everyone just seemed very sleep deprived and very tense due to it being near the end of the game, the episode 10 round table was also quite heated so I think everyone just sort of cracked. Anyway, back to Vanessa, she was great overall. She had great reads, a good (but not great) social game and was a deserved winner. I liked Vanessa a lot but she did get a little bit of luck on her side. 

57:  Aaron (UK1): Not a particularly strong faithful in terms of reads but he had an excellent social game and was very watchable. He head to deal with absolute crap all season long which got started by John (who I had absolute rock bottom of this list). I love Maddy, but she definitely had tunnel vision to say the least. Aaron somehow had a good enough social game to survive up until the end and was very much the season underdog which always gives some good watchability points. Not much else to say apart from that he was also very good at the missions. 

56: Dom (CA3): The weaker of the two CA3 winners but still not a bad faithful at al. In fact, after Venus went I think Dom played a near perfect endgame. He made a great alliance with Hollywood that managed to get them both to the end and their shield play is one of the greatest survival gameplays we’ve ever seen any version (including non English speaking ones). Sure, he had a huge blindspot for Venus but once he realised he wasn’t on Love Island, Dom was a great faithful with a phenomenal social game. Good faithful and seems a really nice guy! 

55: Camille (AU2): Camille is up this high purely for preventing what would have been the most unsatisfying ending in traitors history. Camille wasn’t dreadful as a faithful, she did eventually realise it was Sam and Blake (which puts her as one of the best faithfuls of the season) but once she was recruited, she saw through Sam completely. Camille wasn’t a particularly great traitor but the fact that she was the driving force behind one of the most incredible endings puts her up this high. Loved Camille and AU2’s ending while not making up for the journey to get there certainly eased the watchability side a little. Just like that we only have one AU2 player left!  

54: Rachel (US1): Rachel was far and away US1’s best faithful and it isn’t much of a contest. Sure, did she only ever vote for Cody? Yes, but did she survive for a surprising length of time considering Kate made it her mission to take out all of her frustrations on her? Yes. I don’t know why Kate seemed to have such a problem with Rachel (maybe there is something we didn’t see) but I thought it was pretty uncalled for, especially when she started criticising Rachel’s clothes. I liked Rachel, she handled Kate surprisingly well and stayed very steady throughout. Good player. Also, we now only have one player from US1 left! 

53: Harriet (UK4): It’s a shame Harriet completely blew up her game because she was an excellent faithful. She voted for all 4 traitors in just 7 episodes and was the driving force behind banishing Hugo! However, survival and social game also has to play a factor in terms of gameplay and wow did she did her won grave. I don’t know why she came in so heavily but it completely sealed her doom, a shame because she was great. However, ‘he benefit is to set the cat amongst the pigeons Roxy’ is arguably the most iconic line from the UK version and it’s doing a lot of heavy lifting for her in terms of watchability. 

52: Mark (IR1): Mark never gets talked about when discussing the best non winning faithfuls, but to me he should be up there. I’m going to tell you something very interesting, Mark participated at 6 round tables and in that time, he voted for a traitor at 5 of the 6. That is an absolutely incredible feat that hardly ever gets discussed. He also just came acoss as a really nice guy who had a great influence on the dyamics of the season. The thing knocking him down a bit is the fact that his incredible feat is also replicated by another faithful in the same season who won (believe me we’ll get to her).  

51: Paudie (IR1): And here he is! I know so many people have been waiting for this, what do I think of Paudie? Paudie is such an interesting player to discuss and I think iks a contender for most divisive player in traitors history, you really like him or really don’t and there isn’t much in between. And I’m on the side of liking him, he has absolutely fantastic entertainment and despite being a pretty poor traitor, he just didn’t get an easy ride at all from Eamon or Katelyn. It is nuts how much the season went downhill after he left, I consider Ireland to have the worst endgame in terms of English speaking seasons and the amount Paudie contributed to the watchability side of things is insane. I know some people think he sort of had it coming with how poor his gameplay was and I can understand why Eamon and Katelyn got frustrated, but I personally thought they overreacted a bit. Of course, there is stuff we don’t see but I judge by the show only unless I have a reason not to. I thought Paudie was highly amusing, from his secret relationship with Andrew, to his role in the traitors conclave, to his dynamic with the rest of the cast. Paudie is such a key part of what makes this seasons mid game good (well decent at leas), so he was always going to receive a pretty high ranking on this list. The season went downhill when he left in my eyes and there are times where on rewatches I stop at Episode 9. Fun player, and I liked him! Also, we’re now down to just one player left from Ireland! 

50: Sarah Nicole (CA3): Good faithful from a season of good faithfuls. Sarah Nicole voted for 4 out of the 5 traitors in CA3 and was a key part in getting several of them out. Yes I know there is some behind the scenes drama with her, but I judge on show only. However, voting for Jamal at her last round table was her downfall as it led to a revote. Jamal switched his vote at the revote so Sarah Nicole’s game was over. A great faithful in a season that has a lot of great faithfuls! 

49: Celia (UKC): Celia is up this high purely for her entertainment value. She absolutely is one of the reasons why UK Celebs is such a great season. Her banshee wails in particular are a contender for the funniest thing that I’ve ever seen on the show and her fart is up there as well. Combine that with being murdered in one of the most iconic murders in plain sight we’ve ever seen and being onto Cat and Jonathan fairly early and you have an overall great contestant! 

48: Linda (UK3): Absolute icon, enough said! Sure, she wasn’t a particularly good traitor, but she was absolutely one of the funniest players we’ve ever had and lasted a pretty good amount of time considering her poor gameplay. Considering Jake was gunning for her so much, she managed to stick with Minah to last into the second half of the season and as I said was just great fun to have around. Yes, I think her entertainment value gets superseded by a certain singing diplomat in the same season but Linda was great! 

47: Freddie (UK3): Poor Freddie, easily one of the roughest rides we’ve seen in traitors history, I’m shocked he lasted as long as he did. He had to deal with a lot of heat from Livi and Tyler especially only to eventually be recruited by Charlotte, mess up and get banished. I would loved to have seen Freddie win after all of the challenges he had to face. He would have hugely deserved it  and he had a great survival game. But sadly once you mess up as a traitor, there isn’t much going back, especially when Charlotte set him up to fail from the get go. Nice guy and a good player. 

46: CT (US2): In my eyes, the weaker of the two US2 winners. I did like CT and especially how he tried to stay neutral to both the gamers and housewives. He also had a fairly strong voting record and made a good (eventual) alliance with Trishelle. Sure, I don’t think they ever completely trusted each other but they managed to win together and that was great. CT is in a weird position where I’d say he ranks about the middle od my winner rankings in terms of gameplay. However, he was great fun and that lifts him up a bit.  

45: Venus (CA3): I loved Venus and she added a lot to the traitor dynamic in CA3! Venus was recruited very early on and I don’t know what Coco would have done if Ty was recruited instead of her. She helped to untangle the absolute mess with Kevin and got herself and Coco into a very strong position. She also managed to get Dom to trust her completely and overall played a very strong social game. However, she slipped up in yet another shield related fiasco and was banished soon after. Great player and really sporting when she was voted out!  

44: Jericho (CA3): A really great player. Jericho had both a good social game and a lot of good reads particularly on Kevin and Coco. However, Ria was an incredibly smart recruitment option from Venus and Coco because she was practically guaranteed to get banished next and it looked massively suspicious for Jericho. Sadly, he didn’t manage to get out of it and he was banished due to his close relationship with Ria. I liked Jericho a lot, he seemed a really nice guy and he had some excellent reads! 

43: Teresa (AU1): Theresa was great fun and had an excellent social game. She’s definitely among the most popular players of all time when it comes down to watchability and she’s one of the reasons that AU1 is as good as it is. She voted for 3 traitors and was a popular player among the cast which led to her lasting a very long way into the season. However, she was eventually banished at the penultimate round table pretty unanimously and it’s a shame because she was easily the strongest faithful left at that point. Some people might think this is too low for a player as iconic as Teresa but I don’t think her solo gameplay was strong enough to put her any higher. Still lobe her though! 

42: Marielle (AU1): Now this is how you edit a villain! Marielle was the absolute perfect villain for AU1 and watchability wise she’s near perfect. She doesn’t overstay her welcome and gets banished in such an iconic way that she had to rank highly for me. Marielle definitely seems to be out for herself the moment she guns for banishing Angus but manages to get out of it and regain the trust of the other traitors. However, it’s not long before her and Nigel would make the biggest mistake of their game, recruiting Alex. Alex completely blindsided Marielle and saw both her and later Nigel banished. Fair play to Marielle for really taking it on the chin and being a really good sport! There is a villain I slightly prefer but we’ll get to him eventually. Great player and highly entertaining! 

41: Andrew (UK2): The definition of good both as a faithful and a traitor. He was very trusted as a faithful which led to him getting saved from the dungeon over Paul. He definitely didn’t want to be a traitor but he proved to be pretty good. He helped Harry to oversee the banishment of both Paul and Ross and lasted all the way up to the final. I actually think he could have won had he played his cards in the final a little bit better but sadly he didn’t quite take advantage of all the opportunities. He just seemed a really nice guy as well and had a really compelling backstory. I liked Andrew a lot, a great player! 

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u/RowGonsoleConsole — 1 month ago

Roe vs Jennifer

I'm rewatching S13 and I have to say every time I rewatch it, the more I side with Jennifer.

I thought Roe was pretty unsympathetic when Jennifer had a really bad allergic reaction and to be honest, I don't think I'd have wanted to work with her after that.

I get Jennifer isn't necessarily the easiest chef to like but I sympathise with her more each time I rewatch S13. Along with Roe rubbing a lot of her victories in and despite the overreactions, I think Jennifer does make some good points (even if every second word she says is a swear word). She's not my favourite chef in the world but I vastly prefer her to Roe.

NOTICE: I'm strictly relating to on show stuff and nothing outside of it.

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u/RowGonsoleConsole — 1 month ago

Ranking Every English Speaking Traitors Player: 80-61

And we're back again with another part of this crazy project! I want to apologise quickly and say I'm sorry this took a while to come out. I haven't been too well recently so I took some time to recover.

Just my normal warning to be nice, don't make personal attacks and keep it show focused only. I do reference some out of show stuff here but it's mostlty just for context. Let's go!

80: Derrick (US3): So I quite liked Derrick. I’m generally a bit critical of US3 and its late additions but Derrick was by far the best of the three. He did clock on to the fact that Boston Rob was a Traitor while being significantly less infuriating compared to Wes but ultimately he was viewed as being a big threat and BR needed to take a bit of a risk in order to have any chance of surviving so he was murdered. Derrick gets bonus points for being the only member of the cage trio that didn’t let being a late addition go to his head! 

79: Jason (NZ2): Jase was good! He was good fun and I loved the Pacific Ring of Fire alliance generally, it’s among thje most effective social alliances in traitors history and Jase was one of the key members. He had it fully figured out by the last episode but sadly it was too little too late and he was banished just before the big reveal. Gameplay wise, he probably shouldn’t be up this high but I really liked him and NZ2 has one of the most interesting group dynamics in traitors history so everyone naturally gets a bit of a boost. 

78: Tom (US3): I must preface this by saying I have no idea who Tom is outside of the show. He’s apparently controversial but unlike Rappaport (who I know is genuinely awful) I have no idea what Tom has done because I don’t generally watch US reality TV and I’m not American, my list is based on the show only! Anyway, I found Tom very entertaining and  because his gameplay was so unpredictable, he managed to get away with not being murdered for a long time. The dolls mission was a highlight!

77: Kristen (US4): In a season as drama filled as US4, I think people like Kristen add a lot to the season. Pretty good at the game and just managed to stay pretty steady. From the statistics side, she was very good as she voted for 3 out of the 4 original traitors and also became suspicious of Eric who was recruited as a traitor. She also made some good alliances with the likes of Mark and Eric and overall, I would easily take someone a bit more low-key compared to the ahem much more challenging personalities we got in US4. 

76: Brittany (NZ2): One of the best players objectively from NZ2 and it’s a shame she didn’t make it a bit further. She heavily campaigned for 2 traitors with those being Jackie and Whitney and stands out for being one of the only players from NZ2 who openly wanted to play the game as a faithful. However, there is such a thing in this show as going too hard to early, and Brit was definitely a victim of that. Perhaps not to the extent of say Brodie from NZ1 but definitely seen as a threat so was murdered very quickly. A fairly short run but a good one! 

75: Leroy (CA1): On a statistical level, John Cena is one of CA1’s best players. He voted for all four traitors and the endgame pretty much came down to him vs Mike. One thing I don’t think is talked about enough is people who can get through the game pretty easily because they’re good at missions and John Cena is definitely an example of that. So surely he should rank higher? Well, I just don’t find him that interesting until the last few episodes. It isn’t until it becomes clear that the endgame is going to be between him and Mike with Gurleen more allied with Leroy but possibly changeable that I think he becomes more interesting. Him and Gurleen were pretty much ride or die up to that point but somehow Mike actually managed to swing her vote. I don’t think Leroy could have done anymore, Mike just played well. 

74: Ivar (US3): A very underrated winner. We often talk about how to play an ideal wallflower faithful game, and to find it? Look no further than Ivar. Ivar played an incredibly quiet game largely focused on being in the background and building up a few very stable alliances. He voted for all 5 traitors and statistically is one of the best winners of all time. However, because of his gameplay style, he’s about as interesting as watching paint dry until the last episode where I actually quite enjoyed watching him in the helicopter mission. I’m also not counting out of show stuff but being involved with Cambridge Analytica isn’t a great look. 

73: Eric (US4): A really fun player who added a lot to the season. A voting record of 4 before being recruited makes him have one of the highest hit rates in the US version and he had a fairly solid run as a traitor too. You will learn as we go up this list that there’s a certain winning traitor that I’m not necessarily a huge fan of so it’s a shame Eric couldn’t share the prize money. Hell, I thought Eric did really well to survive until the F3 considerig he had heat on him for almost the entire time he was a traitor, he did more than enough to share the win and I would love to have seen him take it. But hey, that’s the game! 

72: James (UK4): Pure chaos and I absolutely loved it. I often talk about how I’m not huge on super drama heavy players but James brought chaos without detracting from the atmosphere which was good. James really wasn’t great at the game at all, he largely survived as long as he did because he always had some level of suspicion on him and ultimately confused everyone a lot. However, he was grwat fun and has some all time iconic moments such as his legendary ‘Tigger needs to run’ comment.  

71: Frankie (UK3): Similar in vein to Leroy, Frankie is one of those players who doesn’t really become too relevant in terms of gameplay until the final few episodes, but she does have a lot of stuff going for her even before that. She acted as a genuine support for Freddie when it just seemed that he was getting heat from every angle and she from the chess mission onward where she got very underestimated, she started to get a lot more screen time. It’s a shame she didn’t work with Alexander a bit more to clear him in the eyes of Jake and Leanne because I think a four faithful win was actually on the cards here (especially if they'd revealed roles). Ughhh, I hated the seer so much, it ruined what could have been one of the best endings in traitors history.  

70: Sandra (US2): I liked Sandra a lot considering I had no idea who she was before watching. I think using Parvati as a traitor angel was a really good strategy and it almost got her to the end. She voted for all four traitors and overall was just pretty good at the game. I haven’t really watched Survivor but Sandra features in the only non UK season available to watch in the UK so maybe I’ll have to give it a shot. However, I do prefer Parvati (we’ll get to her at some point). 

69: Nick (UKC): It’s a shame Nick is now mostly known for switching on Joe and effectively losing the season for the faithfuls, because apart from that he actually played a very good game. He made a really good alliance with Joe M and it’s a shame he turned on him as they would have made arguably the strongest winning faithfuls ever (David would have dragged down the average though.) Watchability wise, he just came across as a really nice guy and overall, he was just a joy to have on the season, even if he bungled the endgame to a titanic proportion. 

68: Cat (NZ2): I liked Cat for the most part and she added a lot to NZ2. She has one of the strongest voting records we’ve seen from NZ and once she clocked onto the fact that Noel wasn’t a traitor, she was fantastic. I do agree with most that getting a bit personal with Mark was her low point but as much as I love Mark (as you will come to see) I can understand how he would frustrate people. Aside from that, she made a lot of really strong alliances and was near perfect in the second half of her run.  

67: Kevin (CA1): Wow, we’re already on our last CA1 faithful. Kevin was quite easily the strongest faithful of the season. He pretty much led the charge in getting Mel B banished and also had suspicions on both Mike and Kuzie due to being part of his alliance (as well as Leroy). Kevin’s downfall was the fact that he just got a bit too passionate. It definitely seemed to rub people the wrong way a little bit and throwing out everyone in his alliance in one go wasn’t a great look. However, he played a very good game overall and it’s a shame he didn’t go further. 

66: Anna (NZ1): Definitely the weaker of the two NZ1 winners but Anna was still pretty good. She was very popular amongst the group and created a lot of good alliances. She also has a voting record of 5 which is phenomenally good for a winning faithful and was very likeable on top of that. She was incredibly perceptive and the first person to notice that Robbie winked at Dan when she was getting banished. In addition, she was not easily swayed in the slightest and always stuck to her guns. Good player but the weaker of the two NZ1 winners. 

65: Cagla (CA3): Cagla had a pretty rough ride! They were constantly having to fend off Lisette and in addition to this they were recruited fairly late into the game. They remind me a lot of UK2 Andrew where they weren’t necessarily a standout faithful or traitor but they were pretty good at both. I’m glad they weren’t a traitor from the beginning because I think secret relationships are better when they’re both faithful. I liked Cagla overall (and as for post show, if you know, you know). 

64: Colin (NZ1): A really fun player to have around. Very entertaining and constantly able to sniff through BS. He voted for 3 traitors in 7 episodes which was pretty good. I’m so glad Brooke recruited him just for the fun of it as it really helped to spice up the last part of the season. He also came up with the Darth Vanda nickname so that was fun! Also gets bonus points for his taste in fashion, wow he looked incredible every single episode! 

63: Luke (AU2): Maybe this is controversially low but outside of allying with Annabel and being onto both remaining traitors, he doesn’t do a ton for me. The fact he was onto all 3 traitors does give him a lot of points but if I’m being honest, he doesn’t do a ton for me in terms of watchability and I find he tends to get overshadowed by Annabel. I did like Luke and he was a good player but I think he can get a little overrated.  

62: Ron (US4): Had a really unreasonably hard time. It’s a shame after suspecting Porsha for slipping up (which she did) he never really was trusted again. Still he voted for both Donna and Lisa. If the BTS stuff with the likes of Dorinda is true, then wow he had it rough and I’m shocked he still stayed so positive. I’m honestly shocked he lasted to the halfway point, he had a lot of votes at every round table post Donna’s banishment. It’s a real shame, lovely guy who made a very understandable mistake and then paid an unreasonable price for it.  

61: Cat (UKC):  A good traitor who played a much more quiet game compared to Jonathan and Alan. If she was on another season I think she may have been found out sooner for perhaps being too quiet but that’s besides the point. Cat had some very amusing moments especially with Alan. The highlight is easily when she was trying to tell him in a nice way to shut up when discussing the murder in plain sight. Apart from that, she was just a very solid traitor all around and stayed undercover for a good majority of the game! 

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u/RowGonsoleConsole — 2 months ago

Tier List of Antagonists Based on How Bad I Think They Were

Have decided to spoiler tag this just to not ruin the surprise of which characters are villains.

u/RowGonsoleConsole — 2 months ago

Have Just Watched the 3rd Movie

What an absolutely perfect ending, for absolutely everyone. I know some people are a bit critical of the movies and I personally disagree with that opinion but I'm getting off course, this movie was incredible!

Firstly, it was refreshing to see Mary and Edith actually getting on. I've always tended to side heavily with Edith over the course of the show (and movies) but now, I appreciate neither were perfect and had great character growth which absolutely bloomed in this!

Speaking of Edith, she was easily the standout character here in my eyes, she pretty much saved Mary's future in running the estate! Bertie provided an excellent supporting role in this and in terms of the movies, this was easily his standout appearance.

I'm glad to see the older staff members moving on with Carson having to come to terms with that and Daisy taking over from Mrs Patmore! I'm glad Anna and Bates got a good ending and didn't end up in prison again! Lovely moment between Mary and Anna at the end as well.

Robert and Cora were great as always as were Isobel and Dickie.

A slight gripe I had was a lack of Tom. Considering he's such a well liked and important character I think they could have utilised him a lot more. Sure, what he does get is great but I think they could have got more out of him.

The plot was incredibly basic but that was fine for me. All it needed to do was be a fitting conclusion and tie up loose ends, and that it did very well.

The ending was beautiful, seeing all those we've lost along the way made me cry! Especially when they showed Sybil. I was in floods of tears.

So yeah, that's my very basic review of the 3rd movie, definitely my favourite of the three and a very fitting end!

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u/RowGonsoleConsole — 2 months ago

Ranking Every English Speaking Traitors Player: 100-81

So here we are with the next part of this crazy project! I was going to go down to 76 today but I just had so much to say about everyone in my Top 100 that I sadly didn't get the time. Again, just a reminder that this is an edited TV show and lets keep being nice towards the players and each other.

100: Hannah (UK1): UK1’s winners don’t exactly have the greatest reputation but in terms of gameplay, Hannah was definitely the strongest. She had a pretty goof voting record, was willing to go up against players like Tom and arguably has the absolute best reaction to the red brekkie. I can’t put her higher due to her enormous blind spot for Wilf right up until the parting gift but overall Hannah was pretty good and it’s a shame she doesn’t get flowers for her gameplay just because she trusted Wilf.  

99: Gloria (AU2): And here we have one out of 5 players from AU2 who I’d consider passable. Gloria actually wasn’t too bad despite the reputation the AU2 faithfuls have generally. She had some pretty funny confessionals and the only reason she didn’t vote for Sam when Annabel was banished is because she was voting for Blake instead. She actually has a 50% voting record which is really good and voted for all 3 original traitors. I liked Gloria overall and it’s a shame she can get dragged down with the rest of the AU2 faithfuls. 

98: Jake (UK3): Way overhated by some people. After Kas went, I didn’t really see much of a problem with Jake. He had a very strong voting record, he was good at missions and definitely was the stronger of the two winners. I appreciated him being so open about his cerebral palsy and overall I thought came across as a really solid guy. Additionally, I never saw his comment towards Kas as malicious and anyway it’s an edited TV show so I wouldn’t like to say anything of the ilk. Good player and a deserved winner! 

97: Jasmine (UK2): If you haven’t seen my posts before, then here’s a piece of info for you. I love UK2! Therefore. I might rank a few players a bit higher than they should be and Jasmine is one of those. Her friendship/rivalry/whatever you call it with Zack is one of the defining points of UK2 and the pair of them absolutely makes the season as good as it is. She also voted for 3 traitors and had pretty strong arguments at the round table. I liked Jasmine! She added a lot to UK2’s watchability. 

96: Diane (UK2): Some people might think this is far too low. Diane is undoubtedly an iconic contestant. She really does go through every adjective you could use to describe a player in the traitors. She’s brilliant, she’s terrible, she’s hilarious, she’s bamboozling, and everything in between. Diane adds a lot to the atmosphere of the season’s first half. She consistently goes at Anthony with supposedly better reasoning than we saw on screen but we sadly didn’t see it. The reason I don’t have Diane higher is because I just found her a little bit too off the wall at times. Of course, the edit can be very deceptive but it did seem like she was winding Anthony up a bit too much at times combine this with immediately jumping in when Anthony accidentally said ‘finished’ to Jasmine in a bit of an abrasive way (obviously unintentionally) and you have a player who I mostly see the appeal for, but not quite all of it.  

95: Kelley (IR1): Ireland definitely is seen as having some of the strongest winners and while I may or may not agree with that, I think most of us agree that Kelley is the weakest. Don’t get me wrong, I did like Kelley and she got herself into a very strong position in the last 2 episodes by mostly staying neutral on a lot of the drama of the last 3 episodes but I can’t put her any higher than this. I did like her alliance with Amy and she did pick the right pairing to end the game with but she just isn’t as interesting watchability wise for me. 

94: Miles (UK2): Was doing very well until the murder in plain sight. Sure, he was definitely quieter than Paul and Harry but I think this works in his favour, having a quieter personality in the conclave definitely helps to balance the watchability side of things. I will also say that I definitely felt a bit for him after the Episode 6 mission, I fully saw what he was trying to do with guiding them and it’s a shame that the other players couldn’t see it. I liked Miles a lot, and I’m so glad he’s been invited back to uncloaked multiple times since! 

93: Zack (UK2): A pretty good faithful who was arguably a bit too chaotic to ever get to the end. I loved his friendship/feud with Jasmine but what lifts Zack a bit higher was his stronger gameplay. He initially came under a lot of suspicion but got himself into the position where he was eventually murdered. Along with voting for 4/6 traitors and you have a pretty strong player! I liked Zack a lot, I think he could have been a very strong endgame player had he made it there.  

92: Britney (US3): And here’s another player people might think is too low. I did like Britney a lot but definitely not to the same extent as some people. I did feel bad for her after Danielle’s banishment but I just don’t see the appeal, I didn’t think she was one of the strongest in terms of gameplay and is largely memorable because of a few funny confessionals and being recruited near to the end of the season. I did like Britney but maybe not to the extent of some people. I will admit her commentary about Tom during the dolls challenge was absolutely hilarious! 

91: Dan (UK3): Absolutely fascinating player to watch. Not necessarily particularly good at the game but he did stand up for Kas! A real insight into the misunderstanding of neurodiverse people in a game like this. Being autistic myself it was really refreshing to see someone being so open and honest about it on TV in a stressful setting. I think in an ideal world everyone in the game would have the mindset Dan had and just look at it without any emotion attached. Everyone is different hoever and while I did feel a bit uncomfortable with his banishment, I can see why he would appear as suspicious. I liked Dan, he was cool! 

90: Lewis (AU1): Not necessarily one of the strongest finalists we’ve ever seem but a great character to have around!  He was one of the very first people onto Claire which gives him some good value in terms of gameplay and his banishment definitely marked the point of no return when it came to a possible faithful win. Oh and did you know that he’s a ‘sparky?’ I bet you’d never guess, he never mentions it or anything.  

89: Ben (NZ2): A really good faithful with a very strong voting record! It’s a shame he got recruited and then pretty much got banished immediately because I actually think Bailey, Siale, and Ben could have made a really good team. He used the traitor angel strategy very effectively by staying close to Jane meaning he wouldn’t have been a good murder option. Seemed a really nice guy and as I said, I think I would have preferred Bailey, Siale, and Ben as the starting traitors (maybe with Jane as a 4^(th)).  

88: Simone (AU2): Has to be up this high purely because she coined the term we now user to describe a certain group of faithfuls, ‘the dummies!’ But seriously, Simone was a fairly decent player. She took up the case of going after Sam once Annabel and Luke were gone and once Simone was banished, a faithful win seemed pretty much like a dead loss. As an additional point, apparently the edit did her a bit dirty and she was a better player than we were led to believe and suspected Sam from very early on. Still, I liked Simone, she gets pretty underrated on here. 

87: Gurleen (CA1): Gurleen is proof that you can be a good player but still be taken to the end. She was a big part in banishing both Kuzie and Mickey (although she was wrong about Mickey’s status as a traitor because he was recruited. She formed good alliances with Kevin and Leroy and I have absolutely no idea how Mike managed to flip her vote at the end. Hell, I don’t even think Mike knew how Mike managed to flip her vote at the end. Gurleen was a good player, she had some good reads and formed good alliances! It’s just a shame that she doubted herself at the end.  

86: Tara (US4): My preferred member of the figure skating duo. Johnny was probably a bit better at the game but I found Tara much more entertaining. Sure, most of the last part of her game boiled down to trying to switch Maura’s thinking but she played a pretty good game! She has a very strong voting record of 5 and definitely played a good strategic game in terms of when to go all out for Rob. I’d love to have seen her win with Johnny but it was just never going to happen all the time Maura was there. 

85: Ben (IR1): Unfairly dragged down with Nick in my opinion. Just because they were allied with someone doesn’t mean we should view them as the same. I actually quite liked Ben . With a near 50% record on voting accuracy as a faithful and some good alliances made, Ben was a strong player!  Plus, I really appreciate how he made the effort to apologise to people when it appeared him and Nick were playing a bit selfishly.  It’s a shame he got a bit blinded by confidence when he got recruited, he was never winning but he did manage to outlast Nick which was cool. I also have to praise him for giving the best performance in the Episode 11 Round Table..... he sat there with his head in his hands. I agree Ben! Unfairly dragged down by Nick in my eyes.  

84: Dan (NZ1): I felt a bit bad for Dan, he was playing a fantastic game up until Robbie winked at him when she was getting banished. He was then banished at the next round table and it left Brooke having to blackmail Colin. Definitely more of a quiet player compared to his fellow NZ1 traitors (except Loryn) but that definitely worked in his favour. Him and Brooke worked really well as a tram andit’s as hame that Robbie ruined what was an incredibly good traitor duo. Dan was great, I really liked him! 

83: Fozia (UK3): An absolute icon in so many ways . I really appreciate how she stood up for Kas when everyone else was going against him. But obviously, her most iconic moment comes from her murder when she infamously tells Linda that ‘you’re not gonna last’. Maybe some people think that Fozia is a bit too high but I really liked her in terms of entertainment, she just knew it was Linda and it was so funny to watch the big reveal. Great fun, it’s a shame we didn’t get a little bit more time with her because what we did get was great! 

82: Kas (UK3): Lovely bloke who had a really hard time in the game. Paying tribute to someone doesn’t make you suspicious in my eyes, and I heavily retain that opinion (unless you completely overact like Hugo did). It was great to see Fozia standing up for him and I don’t think you should be viewed as suspicious based on your job. Did he vote for any traitors? No. But did I really like him and thought he had an incredibly hard time? Yes. I thought Kas was great 

81: Alex (UK1): Wow, we’ve had a lot of UK today! Definitely my preferred member of UK1’s secret pair. Alex was playing a pretty excellent game up until she refused recruitment. She’d been a major part in banishing Alyssa, had managed to get almost all suspicion off of her after the red brekkie and Tom being banished and even was beginning to get herself into the strongest position out of any faithful. It’s a shame she refused recruitment, she could have been an excellent traitor but we sadly never got to see it. Furthermore, and this is just a side note but I’m not a fan of how some people say she ‘led Matt on’ I personally find this to be really sexist and unfair and some people forget that this is an edited show. I don’t see this opinion much nowadays but I thought I’d mention how unfair I think this is towards Alex. Anyway, rant over, I really liked Alex, she was awesome!

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u/RowGonsoleConsole — 2 months ago

NZ3 Thoughts Going Into The Endgame!

This hasn't been one of my favourite seasons but some of that might just be because I loved NZ2 so much! I've still enjoyed it though!

I think Keanu will be lucky to win now. He's got multiple people onto him and it's only so long before the vote flips towards him. Sad to see that Dave has gone, he was great fun and really entertaining!

Sam I thought had winner potential and was in a very good position but I think at this point, Keanu has to take risks with every move he makes in order to get to the end. I think Chloe is a likely recruit, she's close with Keanu and already has some heat on her.

Violette is in a better position than a lot of people think, she's quite confident in her opinions but about the wrong people so she's useful for the traitors to keep around.

I think Maria might have played her cards too early, would love to be wrong and she was basically playing it how I would play it but I think she's gone for Keanu to soon and would have been better doing it next episode.

I'm definitely feeling a faithful win for this season, but which faithfuls I don't know?

I'm likely going to be leaving the sub for a bit once this season is done and my ranking project is finished so I was hoping for an all time banger and while I've enjoyed this season it hasn't been one of my favourites.

Still excited for the endgame though!

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u/RowGonsoleConsole — 2 months ago

A small gripe with the Zoopedia

The Sunda Islands Tiger (Sumatran Tiger) is actually Critically Endangered instead of Endangered.

u/RowGonsoleConsole — 2 months ago