r/TheWire

From the introduction of Brother He is glorified and hyped up a lot, Even a scandalous ass Prop Joe wouldn’t even consider taking a shot at him. A couple lines that stuck out to me when Brother was a topic of discussion were

“You don’t think I’m gone send any of my people up against Brother ? Shit that nigga got more bodies than a Chinese cemetery”

“A whole passel of hard ass hitters took a go at Brother Mouzone and ain’t live to say shit bout it. We go at the boy ain’t no tellin what might get stirred up”

“Oh I pin money on him and first thing he come at me? Shit might as well shoot myself now and get it over”

There are a couple more I could have included but they are non-pertinent. I wouldn’t say anyone was particularly scared of Brother, But they absolutely knew he wasn’t anything to play with in traffic especially the top players. *except Stringer* He was known for getting the job done in a clean and orderly fashion. I say all this to ask

- In a situation where Brother got the contract to go at Marlo and his top guys (Chris, Monk and Snoop) could he get the job done ?

Been wondering about the jury system, when the judges say "the jury will disregard ... " do they just say that to be able to show they made a good faith effort? Like what short of replacing the whole jury will make these people not take into consideration the defendant lashing out like a lunatic when even slightly provoked

I just got done watching The Wire and omg what a series!! But I will say season 5 was a lot different from the previous seasons in terms of where the story went it felt kind of off at times too but still really good but compared to season 4 it’s no match and the ending I was a little shocked by I thought Marlo was going to get clipped.

Scar is mentioned as someone not affiliated with any of the big players. I think they say he’s an independent and doesn’t have good product. Bey and Stinkum are sent to take the corner. The camera frames two people standing on the corner as Bey walks by asking who is selling. One of the guys appears to be wearing a head band. Could scar from season 1 be showing a glimpse of the rise of Marlo?

I must've watched The Wire all the way through at least 10 times (conservative estimate). My big takeaway from it was that in all institutions — even in the 'good' ones — the only things that matter are the numbers, promotions based on those numbers, and of course, money. This is true of every single institution covered on the show — policing, education, journalism, and politics. Sure, there are a select few who join to make a difference but they don't get very far before they hit a brick wall. Either they are shunned and sidelined so they don't get in the way (eg. Freeman, McNulty) or they eventually conform and become they very thing they wanted to change (eg. Carcetti). When Landsman says to McNulty, "It's all about self-preservation, Jimmy. Something you never learned", it drives the point home succinctly and beautifully.

Prez's timeline makes this reality especially disheartening. He was a genuinely brilliant detective but couldn't stand the BS that came with the job — the bureaucracy, the numbers game, the lack of funding to do things that are worthwhile. When he becomes a teacher only to be met with the same exact systemic problems there, it's the show telling you, "You can leave the game to pursue noble endeavours but the game will find you there too."

No matter the field — whether you're a cop, a journalist, a teacher — there's no real substance or purpose to what you do. You're only there to get ahead (or at the very least, stay where you are), put up the numbers (or juke them if you have to), and keep the machine running for the guys at the top.

Once I came to terms with this, it made me extremely cynical and nihilistic. Curious to hear your guys' experience and thoughts.

Why did Snoop get offended by it?

why am I so much nostalgic about The wire and that period of time, era, even though I didn't live there?...those neighborhoods, the mattress in the park, the buildings

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>!When Omar and Brother Mouzone corner stringer and he asks if they want money, Omar says his boy gave him up and they didn't have to torture him, either... is he referring to Avon? I've been assuming Avon gave him up just like he gave Avon up, but this was not seen so I'm confused as to who Omar was referring to?!<

>!Also, the last time Stringer and Avon are at Avon's place they embrace before he leaves. It looks like Avon is doing a stabbing in the back motion, not a flat handed hug like Stringer is doing to him. Is that the intended take on that scene?!<

You kill a downtown nigg@ like that the whole world go stand up and take notice. I'm talking about the state police...federals....all that.

I was thinking of how far the fallout would have reached, all because Stringer got his ego hurt. Levy laughing at him likely sent him over the edge.

One of the first to suffer would have been Levy. His known associations with Stringer and Avon would have been on front street. Mcnulty with federal backing would have come after him viciously if for no other reason that his personal vendettas.

His finances would have been investigated, his legal career might have been in jeopardy.

As an officer of the court he would be legally compelled to help the investigation.

Levy is as slick as they come and probably could have found a way to survive but not without suffering severe damage.

Clay Davis's likely had numerous enemies and a serious murder investigation would have uncovered many stones.

Who else could suffer if he got murdered?

Yes, Avon was in the dumps about losing Stringer but they were in a middle of a war and geared up.

So instead of making a call to get the ok, Slim Charles couldve taken the initiative and made his own decision to go in.

They had the element of surprise and Marlo was out in the open. Even if they don't take Marlo out, it would still be a good battle to be had.

The only downside is that Slim Charles had no backup, just the driver and him, so short battle if they cant get away.

As the title says.

Would Avon be able to hide like he did?

ETC ETC.

What a scumbag. Really made me reevaluate the image of him as a Robin Hood figure.

Just finished my first watch through the series and literally sobbing over Duquan right now. I didn't expect to be crying through the credits. What an unhappy ending for almost everyone. Feeling very privileged right now and so sad for all of the children born into such terrible circumstances that they have nothing at all.

Just might be the most savage tv scene ever filmed, you can literally feel his fury.

A lot of people say that Stringer Bell was trying to be something he's not by turning the drug trade into a business or that the drug game can't be run like that. I actually disagree and believe that he had the most clearest vision of all of them. It's a shame he made the mistakes he did, but he only makes them because he has his own support and not the rest like avon. I watch a lot of mafia movies and their history and reminds me of something like lucky lucciano with the commission where everyone can eat, make money drama and war free and any trouble or issues is solved by words. I agree the drug business is violent but the we see his plan working out pretty well until marlo decides otherwise and just like in real life it takes one person with greed to fuck up everything. Stringer did everything right even though some may say the decisions he took were stupid but they were legit and could have really worked out if he had support and it got to a point where he was barely touching the drugs or even close to the game. He understood how to use the game and not let it use him and look at what he was building legitimately on the side with construction using the game by keeping everyone happy.

There’s plenty of good reasons I’ll re-watch the series but I’m always the most excited to make it to the Marlo era of the show. Is there something wrong with me?

I was wondering/hoping this wonderful community could help me with this.

I am from the UK, I will be in New York for a week next month and have been weighing up making a day trip to Baltimore, mostly because I’m a huge fan of the show and would love to know that I have visited (and maybe get a Sun paper).

I appreciate the city is not a tourist hub like NYC/BOS/DC etc, and that it is a bit of a crappy city, so I’m not expecting to be blown away by it or anything of the sorts.

Can anyone help me with any places to visit from the show/mentioned in the show?

There are obviously well-known street names Lafayette/Riggs/Calhoun/Pennsylvania/Gold etc, but I’m not looking to cop that WMD 😂

I know places like Faidley’s is still around and Chaps Pit Beef. But can anyone help out with any other places/locations relevant to the show that might be worth the visit, even if it’s just for the sake of a photo/to tell myself I’ve visited?

EDIT: I just wanted to thank all the wonderfully helpful and friendly people on here for their advice and suggestions regarding Baltimore, especially the people who have an intimate knowledge of the city. After considering everyone’s suggestions and advice we are altering our travel plans to stay in Baltimore for a couple of nights so we can get a taste of what it has to offer. It’s clear from how people speak of the city that it has a lot to offer and we are really looking forward to exploring the city.

Wire fans really glaze Avon and that's mainly cause he was a charismatic guy. But he really isn't even super different from Marlo (at least for the reasons people hate on him).

He had innocent people killed (more than Marlo if we're being honest): Gant, the security guard, the 5 prisoners killed (not to mention the other 6 who almost died).

Gant's death was necessary to Avon because he wanted to send a message to the streets about snitching, even though he was just minding his own business doing his job when D shot and killed that guy in the lobby and got picked up for it. Same with Chris killing that deliverywoman. Marlo and them needed her death to frame Omar to get him killed in jail.

He snitched on (well honestly framed) a CO for multiple deaths he had committed. Marlo did the same thing indirectly with the deliverywoman and Omar.

Avon had Brandon tortured and killed for robbing his stash to boost his image. Marlo had Junebug and his muscle and GF killed because Junebug was lying on him calling him a dicksucker (essentially for the same reason). Both of them knew that appearing weak by letting people challenge you could be fatal to everything they built up.

Avon had to get Stringer killed because without his death, he would lose supply to any dope he had coming in, not knowing he already gave him up to BPD. Marlo had to get Joe killed because without his death, he wouldn't get control of the connect. And neither of them knew they were betrayed by the other person beforehand (Joe got Marlo robbed and had the shipment stolen on top of taxing the co-op when they were buying it back).

... but during my rewatch after many years, a couple have really stood out... I'm not sure why? 🤷

"The bigger the lie, the more they believe."

"Woe to them that call evil good and good evil."

Guess it's just me.

I think she’s very intelligent and interesting on her own, she’s someone who can hold her own as an officer of the court. She’s the law to their order, and she’s a great addition to the show in that way.

My main issue is that I feel it’s unnecessary and uninteresting to have her be McNulty’s side chick for half the show and then Cedric’s secret girlfriend for the other. I understand that in any workplace, there can be sex and/or relationships between coworkers. Even and especially one with the amount of normal tension and the rush of the fight and all that. But why does she, the only main straight female character on the show, have to be the one, pardon my French, fucking these guys?

Idk, that’s just how I feel when I watch it but I could be reading into it too deeply.

I also wanna say: I’m a dude who was born a dude, and I’m 26. Just feels relevant to mention that.