Whenever i tell other people from our community that i eat chicken or egg they criticize me like true jaat don't eat that shit etc. etc. aur ghinone nazro se dekhenge. My reply to them is simple that I'm not a pandit and will eat whatever i like !!
Do you face this problem or is it limited to ny region only
Note I'm from Bharatpur
Let me get the disclaimers out of the way first:
Now for my actual question: why?
We don't have a common language, common culture, common ethos, or even common founding myth that one might find in other, better-defined ethnicities. That's not uncommon for Indian groups, sure, but usually the people who insist "Jat is an ethnicity" are doing so to differentiate themselves from other Indo-Pakistanis. But what makes Jats different?
Is it our genetics? I guess this is the best argument, because it's the most undeniable one. But there are two major issues with this. One, we aren't homogeneous (even if you ignore Jutts, and only focus on Jaats and Jatts). Two, we won't remain homogeneous as our identity is subsumed by the larger national identities and Jats intermix with non-Jat citizens. Even if we adopt the "paternal lineage is all that matters" approach, our TFR is plummeting.
Is it our ethos? I don't think so. Jats aren't the only ones who hold Khap Panchayats. We aren't the only ones who upheld the jajmani system with the out-group, and the bhaichara system with the in-group (in fact, we don't even have a unique word for a member of the out-group, nothing equivalent to the Greek barbaros or the Arabic ajami at least). And being an agriculturalist is obviously not unique to us, especially as some of us are still pastoralists.
Is it our language? That can't be, since there is no unique "Jat language". We speak the regional varieties that all other Indian groups do. The closest thing to a "Jat language" might be "Jatki", which is a (actively dying) Punjabi dialect concentrated in the Pakistani Punjab.
Is it our culture? That can't be either, as there is no unique "Jat culture". Just like language, we observe the regional cultural practices, and are hardly any different from others.
Is it our common origin? Probably not this either. The educated ones among us have now discarded the stories of being descended from mythical kings or demi-gods. There seems to be a general consensus (amongst admittedly non-academics) that Jats spread out from around the Bagar tract, with a few smaller groups being absorbed. Our clans claim descent from a common ancestor, but it's known beyond doubt now that there isn't a clan on the face of the Earth which only has one Y-haplogroup. Anyway, until we discard the Rajput surnames and actively piece together our heritage, this remains a relative question mark. I for one will definitely take a Y-DNA test soon to see if I'm a Khosa, Kandhola, Seerhe, or Garcha.
Feel free to disagree and state your own points. I've been somewhat lurking this thread long enough to know that a few users like u/EasyRider_Suraj and u/SultanOfWessex usually have interesting things to say, so I hope they'll chime in.
I know people are all going to say that how does this matter, and uh so backward and all, but this is about representation and yes it definitely matters and also because our society is pretty intertwined with caste/community, so it definitely matters, sociology 101.
I have seen gotras like poonia tomar is in every city state of jaats but mine is limited to just one city that is bijnor in west up!?
Day before yesterday, my friend and I were coming back from Dehradun. His grandfather has a tradition of taking a holy bath in the Ganga in Haridwar, so we had gone there together.
While we were returning, his grandfather got motion sickness. We stopped the car on the side of the road, and he started vomiting. I immediately rushed back to the car to get some water bottles.
At that moment, another car stopped. Around 4–5 guys got out and started yelling at my friend, who was standing beside his grandfather.
They said Yeh road ko kyun ganda kar rahe ho
My friend explained that his grandfather suffering from motion sickness, but they replied in a very rude tone:
Toh yahan kyun aate ho? Apni jagah raho na. yahan kyun ganda kar rahe ho
My friend lost his temper and started arguing with them. Before the situation could escalate, I stepped in and tried to explain that his grandfather was an old man and that it was an unfortunate situation. I even said that next time we would carry a plastic bag or something similar in case this happened again.
But instead of understanding, they started abusing his grandfather. They said things like, Gand mein laat maaro na iske bhayankar, theek ho jayega.
My friend immediately rushed towards them, but I stopped him because there were five of them and only two of us. I kept saying, Sorry, sorry, trying to calm the situation down, and eventually they left.
I couldn't record anything or take a picture of their car or number plate. There was no time for that.
Afterwards, we got back in the car and started heading home. On the way, I noticed that his grandfather was crying.
That completely broke my heart.
He is one of the strongest people I know emotionally. I asked him what happened, and he said:
Shareer kamzor hoya toh ke hoya, mera kaalja konya ghatya tha. Bas bura iss baat ka laagya aaj maanas hi maansaan ne khaane ne katya tha.
He is genuinely one of the most innocent souls I have known. I have known him since childhood, and I have never seen him do anything bad to anyone.
Seeing him cry after being treated like that completely broke me from the inside.
Now I really hate UK peoples they have become super rasict soon they also understand the cost of all their doing
My Gotra is Naharvar from Bayana Bharatpur district what are some other villages of this gotra???
Reality check for those who keep accusing of "lobby" in sports.
There's a 'lobby' in sports of this country but of those corrupt government officials in power currently.
Jats have to fight this corrupt system in this country currently to win some medals, imagine how much more medals sportsperson can win if the government wasn't corrupt in this country right now..l
Hope this girl gets justice which is highly unlikely.
No offense or disrespect is intended toward anyone. This is a sincere question from a Jatt Sikh belonging to the Punjab-Rajasthan region. However, I haven't actually spent much time there, so some of my assumptions or observations may be inaccurate.
I always assumed that Bishnoi was a separate tribal community with its own distinct believes, culture and identity. It was only after reading discussions here that I realized many Jats are also Bishnois and it's just a sect/offshoot of broader Hindu religion.
A few questions:
1. Why do many people identify simply as Bishnoi instead of Bishnoi Jat or just Jat like rest of Hindu Jats? Does the Bishnoi identity generally take precedence over the Jat identity?
From what I understand, many Bishnoi Jats are culturally quite similar to rest of Hindu Jats. They often speak Bagri or related dialects, many are agricultural landowners, and are known for avoiding alcohol and meat. Is that a fair assessment, or are there important cultural or social differences I'm overlooking. Are Bishnoi Jats and non- Bishnoi (Hindu) Jats closely related through kinship?
Since many Bishnoi (likely Jat ones) are farmers and landowners, why don't they seem to have the same visibility in farmer politics or farmer movements as (Hindiu)Jats and Jatt (Sikhs)? Is that perception accurate, or am I simply unaware of their participation due to their relatively small population? Also, What is their political stance? Whome do they align with?
One more question is about public perception :
From the outside, Bishnois seem to have a very polarized image. On one hand, they're widely respected for their commitment to wildlife conservation and environmental protection, sometimes to the point where outsiders describe some activists as unusually strict or uncompromising.
On the other hand, at least in my region, I've often heard people associate the Bishnoi community with the production or trafficking of opioids (opium in itself is understandable but other more potent forms is where i think we should draw a line) and other hard drugs which has serious implication for others including Jat/Jatt themselves espacially Jatt Sikhs are more vulnerable group. I'm not suggesting that this reflects the community as a whole every community has their own evils but the stereotype seems much more prominent. Is there there any historical, geographical, or social reason why this perception exists or is this image mainly associated with non-Jat Bishnois?
The muslim jat comprises 21 million in alone pakistan 2009 data and 0.25 million in india 1998 data.
By domination I mean politically socially numerically and land ownership wise too
Also as an aside I feel compared to Rohtak Sonipat belt the Braj belt(Agra Mathura Hathras Aligarh Bharatpur Dholpur Hodal Palwal Ballabgarh) too has equal domination of jats