r/VCAndrews

Let's Play AITAH (VC Andrews Style)

If a VC Andrews character were to go on the AITAH sub-reddit, what would they say?

I will do Corrine first (it's horrifying, but there was tragically a case recently where a grandmother and mother did poison four siblings).

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I am the 33-yo mother of four children in Pennsylvania.

When I got married at 18, I had been expecting to maintain a certain lifestyle I had gotten used to with my parents. My husband promised to provide for me in exchange for me staying home and taking care of his kids. But now he's gone, and it's difficult to find work because my kids take up so much of my time.

So I came up with a plan to take them to my wealthy parents' house in Virginia, figuring my mother could watch them while I look for a job. Which is great because who can afford childcare, right? I thought it was the perfect solution, but my kids don't seem to understand. They keep crying about how they miss their friends and how their grandmother never lets them do anything fun, and it's hard for me because I feel like I'm being the bad guy, but they just don't understand how difficult it is. I'm taking a typing class. That's a couple hours out of my week. I'm helping care for my dad who is not doing well. I make sure to spend an hour or two a day with him so that he doesn't get lonely. And then I have all of these friends who put demands on my time, expecting me to go to the movies, or go on blind dates with their hot, single brothers, or go sailing. That eats up an entire weekend. And I just don't have the ability to be ten places at once.

I do try to spend at least an hour or so a week with my children. Or if not that, maybe once a month. Here and there. And when I do stop by, they're always involved in one little project or another. My oldest is great at coming up with ideas to keep them occupied. It's like there's no point in me even being there. I'm just a distraction, really. But they still complain to me about how bored they are or that I'm not letting them have every single thing they want exactly when they want it because they don't seem to understand you can't get everything you want in life. You have to have patience. I think I might have spoiled them a little too much when they were younger. That's my fault, I admit it. Their father always did say I was too soft on them.

On top of that, my younger two have been giving my mother a hard time, testing their limits and seeing how far they can push her. Then they cry to me when she punishes them.

I admit, I was never the disciplinarian. That was always my husband's role. So it's hard to see them deprived of one little thing or another. But they need to learn to behave.

I recently learned that my father has written up a new will so that I can inherit everything because both my brothers are dead, but he hates even the idea of my children for some reason. And I'm worried he might reconsider leaving me his millions over something so small as their existence. It puts me in a difficult spot.

So I'm thinking I might have to get rid of the kids. Not anything too drastic. Maybe just a little suspicious powdery substance on the donuts I bring up to them. They love donuts. It's their favorite treat, so I think they'll appreciate that. I told my mother about my idea, but she thinks it's a mistake.

Then there are my kids, especially my older daughter. She keeps telling me I'm a horrible mother, when all I've tried to do is consider what's in all of our best interests. I'm worried I've lost control of my kids and that they don't respect me.

AITAH? NTA? Or does ESH?

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u/Infamous-Thought-765 — 14 hours ago

What is Cathy's top 3 mistakes?

  1. Marrying Julian.

  2. Taking Carrie to Virginia, despite Carrie not wanting to go there.

  3. Gong back to Foxworth Hall instead of going to Hawaii.

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u/Capital-Study6436 — 16 hours ago

Cathy Takes Things Way Too Seriously

Yes, the title is sarcastic 😄

I've decided Chris is that guy in a horror movie who doesn’t take the threat seriously. 

If Chris is scared, you know something's up. Even if he's laughing and joking, something's probably up. So if he's scared, the train is probably on top of you.

u/Infamous-Thought-765 — 2 days ago
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Which Dr. Paul moment had given you the ick?

The moment where he bought Cathy those inappropriate nightgown and lingerie.

Also, him sending Chris and Carrie away put me off him.

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u/Capital-Study6436 — 2 days ago

Cathy, flowers in the attic-seeds of yesterday is she a reliable narrator

Is Cathy a reliable Narrator; I want all of your thoughts and opinions on if Cathy is a reliable narrator based threw out the series.

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u/MC_Hobbit — 2 days ago

VC Andrews manuscripts

I just discovered that VC Andrews has a series of manuscripts probably written before the Dollanganger saga:

- Gods of Green Mountain: science fiction/fantasy manuscript which was published as an ebook in 2004

- The Obsessed: 800-page novel, for many years believed to be the initial manuscript of Flowers in the Attic but Ann Patty, editor of VC Andrews, claimed it was a completely separate story.

- Castles of the Damned: medieval romance, about 900 pages.

- All the Gallant Snowflakes

I know some of you here have already read Gods of the Green Mountain, but does anyone know anything about the rest?

Apparently they are in the possession of VC Andrews' brothers -who have already passed away- and I honestly don't understand why they have Andrew Neiderman recycling the same story over and over again in a thousand novels when they still have all that unpublished VC material -and with a length of up to 900 pages-.

Okay, these are probably her first exercises as a writer and they are not that good, but I think most of us would be more excited to read something like that than a rotten sequel to My Sweet Audrina.

And honestly, I’d be really curious to read a medieval (what???!!) novel written by V. C. Andrews.

Thanks!

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u/AudrinaDollanganger — 3 days ago

Which of the books do you think would be best adapted into a stage play?

I want to say Flowers in the Attic but it would have to do some pretty heavy lifting with soliloquy’s, fourth wall breaking monologues and perhaps cutting down some parts. Still the production would be fairly minimal with 2 or 3 main sets and perhaps a small cast doubling up on roles.

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u/SaintedStars — 3 days ago

Chris Sr.

What are your thoughts on the first chapter of FitA?

Any headcanon regarding Chris Sr? What are your thoughts on him? Was there anything that stuck out to you during a reread?

I suspect Chris Sr. had a second family. He spent so much time on the road. Cathy acts like her father insisting on spending the weekend with them is some big flex. And he seemed a bit emotionally manipulative, upon rereads. For example, when he confronted Cathy about her complicated 6-yo emotions and then turned it around to make it about him and how she didn't love him enough.

I think the police officers were way out of line and very suspicious.

I loved Jim Johnston. He's the hidden star of this chapter. Kinda like a Kathy Santoni (Full House reference), in that he keeps coming up. He'd totally be in the Netflix documentary about this family, saying he knew they were weird all along. He called them the "Dresden Dolls."

And I'm sorry, Chris, but paraphrasing your mother's own definition of "disinherit" and acting like it makes you some human dictionary does not impress me at all!​​​

What are your thoughts?

u/Infamous-Thought-765 — 4 days ago

Do you think Chris had ruined Cathy's life almost as much as Corinne and Olivia?

Definitely yes, given that he raped her and refused to leave her alone afterwards.

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u/Capital-Study6436 — 4 days ago

In like a Lion, Out like a Lamb

I keep thinking about what the delivery man says to Audrina when he tells her it's March.

“ ' Why, it’s the month of March, girl, come in like a lion. And soon it will go out like a lamb.' "

It occurred to me that this kind of describes Audrina herself.  At the beginning, she was a lion, the way she talked back to those boys, but she ended up more like a lamb, being led along by the adults in her life, sacrificing herself and her autonomy for their own happiness.

In the chapter "Lions and Lambs," she actually tries to assert herself a few times, thinking she knows the solution to all of her problems but keeps getting put in her place.

And then I realized this seems to be a recurring theme in VCA's books.  How many characters have gone into a situation strong, with their pride intact, only to be humbled in the end, maybe even sacrificed?

Cathy's revenge blows up in her face, literally, when Foxworth Hall explodes into flames.  Audrina takes a stand against Papa finally, only to back down and realize her role in life is to sacrifice herself for the good of her younger sister.  I'm rereading Dark Angel, and I just reread the confrontation between Heaven and Rev Wise.  She gets up the nerve to confront him about raping her sister and stealing her baby.  His response?  “ ' I do believe it’s one of my sheep coming to be embraced, at last, into the fold.' "
And despite her pride and fierce determination, she eventually crumbles, ready to sacrifice everything she previously stood for, telling herself it's for the good of the baby.  And she leaves his home humbled.  (By the way, I was pretty impressed with a VCA character at least making an effort to call out a predatory relationship involving the abuse of someone everyone else called a promiscuous girl. Was this a first?)

At the end of Dark Angel, a character literally sacrifices their life in a battle with an actual lion.  This was a result of Heaven thinking she was gonna finally get some justice and stand up to Pa.

When she stands up to another lion in the first book -- Kitty -- her most prized possession ends up being sacrificed in a fire.

VCA refers to the month of August as the "month of the lion" in Heaven when they're planning Kitty's birthday.  August is when the Dollanganger siblings went into the attic.  When they escaped, they were ready for a fight, but in the end, they just slipped out into the night and no one cared. 

I think Bart Jr. was probably a Leo.  Another reference to a lion. His father once selected a lion from his box of animal crackers to behead. And that seems to be a statement. Cathy thought she was gonna be the dominant one in that relationship. She was wrong.

Carrie was like a little lioness who turned quiet and meek and ended up being sacrificed in the end.

There I go, overanalyzing stuff.  Hopefully this makes some sense.

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u/Infamous-Thought-765 — 3 days ago

My Breakdown of the Dollanganger Series

I have been rereading the original books and have been journaling about the experience (basically doing sarcastic recaps, with great love of course.) There are spoilers, but I leave some spoilers out to create a little mystery.

I can't post it all here, though I have on Wordpress (Tuesday Teatimes w/VC Andrews). But I thought I would share some of the blog titles here for the first series. I also discuss MSA and Heaven in the blog.

He’s Playing Tennis in a Better Place

Why Does Cathy Always Have to Be So Serious?

How to Blow Your Inheritance on Charcuterie

A Night to Remember

When Your Children Are in Limbo, the Sailing Trips Can Wait

Attic Makeover – Imprisoned Children Edition

I Guess They’ll Be Staying Home for the Holidays

The Flower Children are Blume-ing

One Wild Summer Night

Once Upon a Rainy Music Video

The Kids Domesticate a Rodent

Chris Has a Chat with Momma, and it Does Not Go Well

Momma Ties the Knot, and the Kids Are Cutting Loose

Blame it on Those Attic Nighties

The Butler and Maid Are Having an Affair, Chris Sucks at Opening Wall Safes and the Grandmother Wears a Wig

Don’t Tell the Police the Mouse is Dead

 

Sharp-Dressed Orphans

Dollar Bills on the Wind

Unwrapping a Sister for Christmas

It’s a Nice Day for a Red Audition

Trimming the Fat

Bad Man. . . Dr. Paul?

The Bar is Officially in H e ll

Sourer Than All the Morose Brothers

All the Girls are Laughing at Carrie

Big Game Hunting

The Real Reason Paul Invested in a Bedroom TV for Henny

Worth Millions but Too Cheap to Spring for an Angel Monument

Could Cathy Be on the Verge of Doing Something Impulsive

Cathy Takes Manhattan

Christmas Stalkings

What Do You Wanna Bet Our Girl is a Fire Sign?

Now Back to That Pickled Baby and Jerry’s Final Thoughts

Much Ado About Nothing

The Secretarial Job Not Taken

Two Men and a Lady and Along Comes a Baby

The Fortune Cookie Must Have Known It Was Talking to an Aries

Cathy’s Hearing Voices Now

So Long, Carrie

A Thrilling Game of Cat and Mouse

Never Mess with the Woman Who’s Cooking Your Dinner

Whipped into a Frenzy

Ho Ho Ho

Bringing Down the House

A Tale of Two Daddies

Aw Heck!  Gosh Darn It All

Bart Really Needs a Sassy Friend Who’s Not Just His Brother

Spying on the Neighbors

Befriending a Weird Recluse in 1983

In Sleep, What Screams May Come?

This Kid Wants a Pony in the Same Way Billy Madison Wants His Snack Pack

More Ominous Happenings

Someone Messed with the Wrong Brother

Being Ten in the Summer of 1983

Bad Apple

Sociopath?  Or Future Hamlet?

Things Escalate

Secret Agent Boy

Hair is the Gateway to Domination

Achilles Had His Heel, and Cathy Has Her Knee

The Woman Who Locked Her Kids in a Room for Three Years Gives Her Son Some Parenting Advice

Bart Lies to His Therapist and Steals His Lollipops

Grandma M is Suspish

Everybody Knows

Scheming in the Rain

Jory’s Life Sucks Worse Than Hamlet’s

An Unplanned Trip to Hawaii

Do You Need to Know If the Butler Next Door is Lying to You? Airport Customer Service Can Help!

Nightmares on Bart’s Street

Five Second Rule

A Death Sentence Warrants a Slice of Emma’s Cherry Pie

What Not to Do If Your House Is on Fire

The End…Or Is It?

Return to Foxworth Hall

Catching Up with Creepy Uncle Joel

Greeting Family in the ‘80s

An Awkward Chat with Mom

Saving Soles

Cindy Interrupts a Tennis Match

Cindy Puts on a Red Dress

The Ballet Doesn’t Go as Planned, and an EMT Worker Speaks Out of Turn

Stop Crying!

Jory Goes on a Hunger Strike

Melodie is Still Adjusting

Cathy Turns Another Prison Room into an Outdoor Sanctuary

Life in a Northern Wing

That Time Melodie Used the Ballet as an Excuse for Adultery

Cindy’s Boyfriend Has a Lengthy Conversation with Bart’s Fist

Dirty Deeds Done to Ships

You Have to Admit Joel Got ‘Em Good!

Is This Woman Trying to Escape a Serial Killer, Or Is She Just Going into Labor?

Insensitive Birds

Cathy’s Marriage Would Be Fine If Not for Her Sons

Bart and Joel Come Up with a Salem Swimming Test for Gold Diggers

Jory’s Soliloquy

A Rolodex Full of Enemies

Bart Gives a Suspicious Eulogy, and Cathy Has a Psychotic Break

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u/Infamous-Thought-765 — 5 days ago

My Sweet Audrina Question

If it was Vera who pushed Billie and her mother and Vera down the stairs, why was Audrina worried that Sylvia would push their father down the stairs at the end of the book? Sylvia may not have had a close relationship with Damian but there is no reason to think she would kill him, didn’t understand that…

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u/Aggressive-Chip-7374 — 4 days ago

Accidentally tried to read Christopher’s Diary

I’ve been doing a lot of heavy non-fiction reading for work, so I thought I’d find something chill and fun and a bit retro.

And oh my god. I got the two books for $5, and it was still too much. I kept going through the first book to see when it got good, but it was horrible. I googled it to see when it stopped being trash and found the warning signs here. Thanks for making me feel sane.

It may be tied for the worst book I’ve ever read, and everyone involved in its creation should apologize to the trees that died to make that paper.

What hot garbage.

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u/Bright_Lynx_7662 — 5 days ago

I've got what I think is probably an unpopular opinion regarding Flowers in the Attic and Petals on the wind: Chris is a villain.

SPOILERS

Chris is a total villain, not intentionally, but he is. In Flowers, he's the reason they stay for so long, he's the reason he and Cathy are whipped and they're all starved, he's the reason they make that painting for the Grandmother that she rejects, he's the one who rapes Cathy. He's constantly belittling and talking down to Cathy when he's not telling her how beautiful she is.

In Petals, he's constantly telling Cathy he needs her, he's got to have her, she's the only one for him, he's the only one who'll understand her. He tries to rape her repeatedly throughout the book. He tries to talk her out of marrying Paul. In the end she marries Christopher, but I feel it's not because she loves him, but because she's tired of his constant, unending pursuit. She's just tired of fighting it and so she gives in. Even early in the book, she gives into his kisses a few times but she doesn't want them, she just gets momentarily overpowered by the pleasure.

I hate Chris. He's the worst. He's the reason Cathy has such a shit-show of a life. Sure, she makes poor decisions, but ultimately, I think some of them are based on the need to get Chris off her back. I only just restarted Petals, so I may be miss remembering some of it, but I think for the most part, I'm on point. Thoughts? Arguments? I'm dying to discuss this with someone who's read the books.

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u/GoofyGoober8647 — 6 days ago

Did Corinne actually enroll in secretarial school?

Did she actually go to the secretarial school or lie about it? She mentioned the teacher and the guy who was interested in her but she could have made that up.

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u/Few_Entrepreneur854 — 5 days ago

Movie Adaptation

Which Flowers in the Attic adaptation did you like the best and why? The 1987 Gothic horror version or the one done by Lifetime.. I prefer the 1987 version for the Gothic atmosphere, but I think Heather Graham was a better Corrine than Victoria Tennant, Victoria played it cold and evil from the beginning while Heathers character changed over time.. Also, the 1987 had better casting as far as Cathy and the Grandmother...

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u/Annespelledwithane — 5 days ago

I have a dark thought. What if Chris and Cathy chose to act like Corinne and left Virginia on the night they went swimming, hereby leaving the twins behind to face Olivia's wrath?

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u/Capital-Study6436 — 5 days ago