r/abetterrouteplanner

Alternative to ABRP Now that Rivian is sucking up all our data?

Super pissed to find, especially as a premium subscriber, that Rivian is now collecting all our information and shares it with 3rd party advertisers. I don't own a Rivian, and paying to be a subscriber, I shouldn't be forced into this. Obviously I've cancelled my renewal, but I still have 6 months to go, and there's no recourse for a refund.

So, what are people changing to now that this is Rivian's spyware?

Update: Since people asked - Rivian's data policy specifies they share data with 3rd parties. And this new policy only recently came into being within the last month or so. And there is ZERO notifications when you signup or subscribe.

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u/Questionable_Sanity — 19 hours ago

This plan is no longer viable. View alternatives.

I decided to use ABRP as my main GPS Navigation (usually use apple maps). But i kept getting “This plan is no longer viable. View alternatives.” Notification.

Whats up with this?

u/bapski — 2 days ago

ABRP routes my MG4 to Tesla Only chargers

My car is clearly set up as an MG4 and I have never had it set to be a Tesla. Yet it is routing me to chargers which I wouldn't be able to use if following its guidance as they are Tesla only.. I am planning a trip to France and back and this now means I have to manually verify and exclude Tesla only chargers - which rather defeats the point of the entire system!

u/iamabigtree — 4 days ago

Canceling subscription renewal

Well, I finally got to the point where I cancelled the renewal of my premium subscription in July. I really wanted to support the product, but the only real benefit that I used was support.

I’ve filed several issues, most of them clearly bugs, which seem to be completely ignored. So much for being a premium subscriber, as it doesn’t matter. I’ve never received a response from their “support”.

Maybe I’ll subscribe for a month if I need to use some feature that I find doesn’t work in the free version, but since I don’t use it in-vehicle, I doubt it.

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u/fratzba — 5 days ago
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Family vaction from Texas to Arizona and back. (Long read)

Summer road trip is done!!! Below is a summary of the trip ran through Gemini containing data from A Better Route Planner, myaudi trip data and all available charging data I have (I never got a receipt from charging at the Shell recharge in Junction TX).

Southwest Loop: An EV Road Trip Story

Route: Tomball, TX → Amarillo, TX → Flagstaff, AZ → Sedona, AZ → El Paso, TX → San Antonio, TX → Tomball, TX

Dates: June 21, 2026 – June 27, 2026

Vehicle: 2022 Audi e-tron Sportback

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Trip Narrative

Honestly, driving an electric car across the massive open spaces of Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona sounds like a recipe for range anxiety, but our recent 2,823-mile loop from Tomball out to the red rocks of Sedona and the heights of Flagstaff proved it’s totally doable. We used our Audi e-tron Sportback like an all-access pass to the grid, hitting up 23 stops across five different charging networks—Tesla, Electrify America, EVgo, Rivian, and ChargePoint (Ionna) —just pulling into whatever plug made sense at the time.

When we (Gemini) tallied up all the receipts, the math was surprisingly good: we covered the whole trip for **$428.84 in total charging costs**, which averages out to a really clean **15.2 cents per mile**.

The coolest part was watching how the terrain and severe summer heat changed our efficiency. Pushing highway speeds through a thick 92°F Texas afternoon (feeling like 98°F) started us off at a heavy gross driving efficiency of **2.48 mi/kWh**. As we made the long, steady climb up through New Mexico toward Flagstaff, the air cooled down to a much more EV-friendly 84°F, holding steady at **2.47 mi/kWh**.

But the real fun was coming down through the switchbacks around Sedona. Thanks to the vehicle's dual-motor regenerative braking setup, we recaptured a massive **463.87 kWh** over the whole trip. That's equivalent to pulling 40.7% of our total trip energy right out of thin air, saving us roughly **$295** in out-of-pocket grid costs! On the long cruise back home down past El Paso and San Antonio, we braved some brutal 96°F to 101°F heat indices while keeping a steady hardware cruising efficiency around **2.44 to 2.50 mi/kWh**.

## Core Trip Metrics (myAudi Hardware Baseline)

* **Total Distance Covered:** 2,823.51 miles

* **Total Charging Investment:** $428.84

* **Average Cost per Mile:** $0.152

* **Total Net Energy Purchased:** 672.44 kWh

* **Total Energy Reclaimed via Regen:** 466.08 kWh

* **Real-World Gross Vehicle Efficiency:** 2.48 mi/kWh

---

## Complete Route & Charging Log

### Leg 1: Tomball to Amarillo

* **Weather Conditions:** 92°F (Feels like 98°F) — Humid, high AC load.

* **Leg Performance:** 2.48 mi/kWh | Total Cost: $77.09

* **Stops:**

  1. **Tesla Supercharger** (Madisonville, TX) | $9.95 | 26.92 kWh
  2. **Ionna Rechargery Relay** (Corsicana, TX) | $9.11 | 21.58 kWh
  3. **Tesla Supercharger** (Decatur, TX) | $23.56 | 63.69 kWh
  4. **EVgo / Pilot 723** (Amarillo, TX) | $22.58 | 35.36 kWh
  5. **Tesla Supercharger** (Quanah, TX) | $21.79 | 62.28 kWh

* **Overnight:** Amarillo (Sunday, June 21)

### Leg 2: Amarillo to Flagstaff & Sedona

* **Weather Conditions:** 84°F (Feels like 82°F) — Cooler mountain air, optimal battery performance.

* **Leg Performance:** 2.47 mi/kWh | Total Cost: $93.31

* **Stops:**

  1. **Electrify America** (Amarillo, TX) | $14.85

  2. **Ionna Rechargery Relay** (Tucumcari, NM) | $23.80 | 56.45 kWh

  3. **EVgo / Pilot 1070** (Santa Rosa, NM) | $7.53 | 11.39 kWh

  4. **Electrify America** (Albuquerque, NM) | $0.00 | 57.82 kWh *(Free Session!)*

  5. **EVgo / Flying J 305** (Jamestown, NM) | $7.91 | 10.76 kWh

  6. **Ionna Rechargery Relay** (Gallup, NM) | $17.14 | 40.66 kWh

  7. **Rivian Adventure Network** (Holbrook, AZ) | $32.12 | 23 mins 48 secs | 47.95 kWh

  8. **Electrify America** (Flagstaff, AZ) | $21.80

  9. **Electrify America** (Sedona, AZ) | $15.82 *(Canyon Exploring)*

* **Overnight:** Little America Flagstaff (Monday, June 22)

### Leg 3: Flagstaff to El Paso

* **Weather Conditions:** 98°F (Feels like 95°F) — High desert heat, massive downhill grade.

* **Leg Performance:** 2.51 mi/kWh (Gross Propulsion Baseline) | Total Cost: $88.10

* **Stops:**

  1. **Tesla Supercharger** (Phoenix, AZ) | $30.11 | 60.24 kWh

  2. **Tesla Supercharger** (Tucson, AZ) | $30.65 | 60.11 kWh

  3. **Tesla Supercharger** (Lordsburg, NM) | $27.34 | 70.10 kWh

* **Overnight:** El Paso Downtown (Thursday, June 25)

### Leg 4: El Paso to San Antonio

* **Weather Conditions:** 96°F (Feels like 101°F) — Intense heat wave across West Texas.

* **Leg Performance:** 2.44 mi/kWh | Total Cost: $48.07

* **Stops:**

  1. **Tesla Supercharger** (Van Horn, TX) | $10.79 | 29.17 kWh

  2. **Electrify America** (Fort Stockton, TX) | $30.62

  3. **Tesla Supercharger** (Ozona, TX) | $26.66 | 72.08 kWh

  4. **Shell Recharge** (Junction, TX) | *(Stop Only - Missing Receipt)*

* **Overnight:** San Antonio (Friday, June 26)

### Leg 5: San Antonio back to Tomball

* **Weather Conditions:** 91°F (Feels like 102°F) — Severe Gulf Coast humidity.

* **Leg Performance:** 2.50 mi/kWh | Total Cost: $22.27

* **Stops:**

  1. **Tesla Supercharger** (San Antonio, TX) | $20.18 | 53.11 kWh

  2. **Mercedes Buc-ee's** (Luling, TX) | $24.53 | 50.06 kWh

* **Final Destination:** Home (Tomball, TX)

u/slmask — 8 days ago

Why does this keep rerouting me? When I put in my plan last night it took me straight through. Now it's saying there's no viable option. I nearly got stranded when I was sent to a station with no power yesterday so I'm super nervous about traveling today. I'm ultimately trying to get to Joshua Tree.

u/DifferentSpell4893 — 8 days ago

Why can't you add a stop to a charger while on a plan?

I had left early on a 4 hour route to a Drs appt in case there was unexpected traffic. I realized I'd arrive very early and since I was going to drive back right after, I wanted to charge before the appointment instead of after.

I didn't find a way to add a stop to a charger, meaning I'd have to cancel my current plan to locate one. I could add a stop for food, restroom, etc, but not a charger. I though this was odd.

Why can't you add a stop to a charger while on a plan?

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u/AccidentallyCreated2 — 11 days ago

Where do charging duration estimates come from?

I've noticed that some chargers have wildly inaccurate charging estimations. There is a ChargePoint stop rated for 400kW that is spot on. There's another ChargePoint (that's a Mercedes Benz unit) that's also rated for 400kW. The estimate for 10-80 at one is 18 minutes and the other is showing as 35 minutes. I've been to both, and they are equally fast (~260 kW for my car). I know it only affects the overall plan time estimate, but it's still less than ideal. Changing the charger's Charging settings in the popup doesn't change the estimate at all.

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u/Fuzzy_Buttons — 10 days ago

Any way to opt out of "survey questions" when leaving charging stops?

Hi, just back from a 3,000-mile round trip road trip using ABRP, and there's one thing the app did that I'd love to know if I could make it stop:

Sometimes, upon leaving a charging station, the app installed on the auto's infotainment system would pop up a question about that station: "Is there a good place to walk dogs?" "Are there hookups for RV trailers?" that kind of thing. And while I like the idea of helping out other drivers by chipping in with crowdsourced first-hand knowledge, what I did NOT like at all was, that question took up the whole screen and basically held our navigation hostage until we answered it. There was no X for canceling out of it, just the big YES and NO buttons. (There was no "I don't know" or "rather not answer" button, which bugged me particularly when, look, I'm in a Chevy Equinox, I have no clue if this place has RV hookups, don't make me give you bad info just to get my map back!)

Is there a setting in the app for turning that nonsense off?

If not, is there a non-obvious way to refuse answering the question and get your navigation back? (We tried waiting to see if it went away on its own, but it hadn't gone away by the time we were merging back on the highway, so I hit a button at random so I could go on with my life.)

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u/vortex_F10 — 10 days ago

Adjust Battery Gauge En Route

While driving the battery gauge, most of the time does not allow for adjustments. But as I am driving, I will see it occasionally flicker where a plus and mine is available. Is this a bug? Or is there a way to adjust it or trigger those plus and minus signs to appear that I just don’t know about? See attached screenshots I was able to capture one while the plus and minus signs appeared for about a second.

u/DoctorWhiskey — 11 days ago

~"This route is no longer viable" error message?

Three times on a route from Arlington, TX to Houston, TX, ABRP (CarPlay) showed a message like "This route is no longer viable". There was a button to show alternates, but when I clicked it nothing was shown. It dismissed the message and the existing route kept working. What does this mean? I don't see how a route could not be viable anymore unless a road closed or something...which I don't think is the case.

Overall, it did a good job routing. The estimated life at destination was within a percent on my car.

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u/AccidentallyCreated2 — 11 days ago
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Best Route Planning - combining preferred networks and expediency

I am still new to EVs and thus to ABRP. The tool is great and I really appreciate what it adds to planning long trips. (apologies if this has been covered, please redirect me if so)

My question is this:

I have setup Ionna as a preferred network. They work well for me. Which network one specifies is irrelevant though.

I plan a trip from Kansas City (east edge) to Dallas. We've made a similar trip for many years and so I was surprised that it chose the I-35 route as best but it had nice charging stops.

Today I decided to play with ABRP to see how much time would be added to go our typical route = I-49 to I-44 to Hwy 75. Turns out it saves about 30 minutes on an 8 hr drive. It occurred to me then that my preference for Ionna had caused ABRP to choose a longer route.

Oh yeah, I had a question...

Is there any way to blend my preference for a charging network with my overriding preference to get there more quickly?

I assume the answer is, remove all network preferences.

I would like to at least see the shorter route presented along side the route that stays with Ionna as much as possible.

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u/nathatt0422 — 10 days ago

Can’t upgrade my subscription

I’m going on my very first EV road trip Saturday from Saratoga Springs, NY to Quebec City, Quebec. I purchased a premium subscription for a month and it isn’t showing in the app. It shows as free. Any ideas? I sent a big report but I’m leaving in 3 days.

Thank you!🙏🏼

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u/DesignByNY — 11 days ago

Reports from Argentina Not Appearing in ABRP

Hello

I live in Buenos Aires and use ABRP with a paid Premium subscription.

I own a BYD electric vehicle. I use CarPlay and ABRP daily.

If I notice any discrepancies in the charging stations, I usually report them through the ABRP app or web version. I also report new chargers, hardware upgrades, or changes in charging power on Open Charge Maps to add them to ABRP.

Unfortunately, I've waited over 40 days for these reports to appear in ABRP without any success.

I've submitted countless reports directly through the app, but I haven't received any response from ABRP. The reports remain unchanged on the ABRP map.

This is causing me serious problems with route calculations. It's missing out on chargers that actually exist and charge quickly because the data is outdated, even though I've reported them and waited 40 days.

This week I reported an entire new network of charging stations in Buenos Aires on Open Charge Maps and PlugShare. Four days later, not a single one of the 15 chargers has appeared on ABRP.

This situation is truly frustrating. I am a loyal ABRP user and I really like the application. I use it daily. Furthermore, using the Iternio API, I send real-time data to my account, which is fantastic. I have been a programmer for decades. Currently, I am the CTO at a sports data processing company and I am a strong advocate for the use of ABRP in this region of the world, which is just beginning to adopt electric vehicles. I kindly ask that you address these reports. I compile them with strict control over each piece of data to ensure the highest quality information for route calculations.

Thank you in advance for your attention.

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u/Hugo_Daniel_Olivera — 12 days ago