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Image 1 — Economics is the only scientific field in which the concentration of institutional affiliations of Nobel Prize-winning researchers has increased over time
Image 2 — Economics is the only scientific field in which the concentration of institutional affiliations of Nobel Prize-winning researchers has increased over time
Image 3 — Economics is the only scientific field in which the concentration of institutional affiliations of Nobel Prize-winning researchers has increased over time

Economics is the only scientific field in which the concentration of institutional affiliations of Nobel Prize-winning researchers has increased over time

Richard B. Freeman, Danxia Xie, Hanzhe Zhang, and Hanzhang Zhou, "High and Rising Institutional Concentration of Award-Winning Economists," NBER Working Paper 35875 (2026), https://doi.org/10.3386/w35875.

u/aanl01 — 4 days ago

Are people in economics fine if we all just end up as storytellers and persuaders?

It's been sad to witness the joy of so many in the field that we seem to have broken free of the need to code, prove theorems, or think rigorously through the validity of the chosen empirical strategy with the advent of AI. I do not think people realize what this portends.

So what is left now?

Terence Tao recently described the future of math as one where mathematicians transition to a role of taste-maker, persuading each other that their results matter, why it matters, and what the results mean. We should be honest from the start that economics is already a field dominated by taste. Otherwise, we would not have Substacks telling PhD students that the manner in which you present your result is the difference between a top 5 and a field journal. What does this mean?

This is possibly a grim end to science as puzzle-solving, which does occur in economics. A lot of economists, myself included, wanted to do research precisely because it is challenging, and intellectually stimulating. But the ground below us has now shifted where the challenge in economics has largely disappeared, since 90% of the technical work can now be handled by AI, and our roles have now turned into babysitting Claude, making sure that it adheres to our particular tastes. The frontier models lately no longer make mistakes on most technical tasks in economics research (though I find it still makes mistakes on technical tasks that are more complex than what you usually see in coding work in economics), provided you give it ample context. I find myself, these days, getting far more intellectual stimulation out of my hobbies than out of research, which is something I'd never thought I would say in my lifetime. I don't think it is challenging or intellectually stimulating to tell a model to cut a subtitle because the editor would not like it. Nor do I think it is challenging or intellectually stimulating to sell my paper by coming up with a story that maximizes its perceived importance or linking it to the current zeitgeist. It's not that economics is not already a field where taste matters greatly. I just think AI has leveled the playing field in a way where technical proficiency no longer matters much in the few remaining "bastions" that valued such, like empirical IO.

If you're outside the t10, you really should not be happy with this state of affairs. Proficiency has always been something that allowed people below t10 to stand out on the job market. Taste, on the other hand, is inherently subjective, and is something that privileges people with close connections to editors and top professors. If we're now a field where everything except taste can easily be achieved with AI, what are the remaining avenues for people who cannot acquire that taste to stand out? Plus, with the proliferation of AI comes the proliferation of papers. People are becoming more productive but journal capacity remains roughly the same (and I do not think that is likely to change since the editors I know still want to read everything manually.) Publishing your papers would become even more competitive, and taste becomes far more likely to be the tie condition.

Let me also assert that tastemaking is simply not a challenging intellectual activity. This comes naturally to most humans, even if matching the particular taste that you expect people at t5 journals to possess could be hard (but that is a knowledge gap, not a thinking gap.) What is difficult is writing and the technical tasks that economists conduct. The clarion calls that AI would cause intellectual decay started with the writers (see, for example, Horowitch.) The process of struggling to put your thoughts on paper helps the writer think more clearly and better; Ezra Klein for examples says that in struggling to write a draft of his essay, it helps deepens his thinking for the future. I've found that struggling to think through the algorithm for a bespoke estimator helps me actually understand what the estimator is doing more properly, and to know that I should certainly not reuse it in the future because of its limitations. Struggling through Rudin when I was in my second year of undergrad allowed me to manipulate abstract ideas in my head with ease years down the line. Struggling through the hard work of research gives you an intuition for how things connect to each other and what the deeper underlying patterns are across papers. Because it is only by going through the weeds yourself that you are forced to play with those ideas in your head for a prolonged period of time. That puzzle-solving also forces your brain to make meaning out of those abstract ideas, and thereby find the deeper truth behind what is written. I often marveled at how my professors seemed to understand the papers they're talking about at a deeper level, seeing beyond its theorems or empirical methods to tell me what the true essence of the paper is -- which paper is it in conversation with, what was the challenge that it solved, and why that challenge was not ex-ante obvious. In outsourcing all of our technical work (and even writing!) to AI, do we sacrifice that understanding? Or are we fine with letting the AI understand our own research for us?

And if you think that is the tradeoff we'll all have to start to make, think about what the end goal is here. Most people reading this are probably not tenured professors at top universities who have secured their future. Why would society need a tastemaker, particularly on the economy? What competitive advantage do you have over people outside academia if you do not understand the mathematical model of your research, you do not understand what the code is doing, and you have not internalized how your research relates to the broader literature at a structural/abstract level? And even if you do understand, if your role is to minimally steer AI and just steer it by taste, why couldn't a layman just replicate what you do in, say, 2028 or 2030 when the models have advanced even further along? Do we as a field really think our taste is what keeps us around?

When I listened to Terence Tao's description of what math may transition into, it is deeply unsettling, because the social contract in which we grant mathematicians the funding and support to pursue their activities is one which presumes that their activities provide social benefit and, importantly, they are something that require sufficient cognitive capacity to even attempt to conduct, which not every individual possesses. If, with AI, mathematicians become mostly ambassadors that explain AI's findings to society, it greatly diminishes the perceived value of funding mathematics.

Economics is in a far more perilous situation, because unlike mathematics, economics is not so abstract and disconnected from people's daily lives. I suspect that people would be just fine to continue funding mathematicians to engage in research they don't quite care about, since it really does not cost that much to the average person. But if anyone can write something passable in a third-tier economics field journal with the help of AI (and agents dealing with the review process), in a way that has the potential to probably be far more viral in society, given that the public's taste for what is considered economically meaningful and important is unlike that of academia's taste, what remains of academic economics' purpose? Do we become storytellers and persuaders, giving the public enough spectacle to justify our own existence? If anyone can frame any arbitrary phenomenon they witness in their personal lives as a Bayesian game, or estimate something they care about with a structural model, at the quality that is passable for most intents and purposes for society, what need do we have for the economists? Perhaps the uppermost echelons at MIT or Harvard or Chicago would preserve their sanctity as the human frontier stays just a step ahead of AI, but let's be so honest with ourselves: most people are not doing frontier, cutting-edge work that is non-existent in the training data. Plus, in just a few months, that frontier work would be in the training data and be accessible to AI for everyone else to use.

We're also riding a tidal wave of economic dissatisfaction, one which the economists have little medicine for -- and not even a coherent diagnosis. If we cannot solve society's problems, even if there is truly nothing we can do about it, what need does society have for the economists? The only respite that we have is that, even if the reputation of higher education has dropped precipitously over the last decade, there is still some shred of prestige left where people for the most part trust academic research. But that is less the case for economics than for physics, as people generally tend to believe they understand their personal lives and things that connect to their personal lives much more than they may truly do. Will we try to persuade the public that their mental model of how the economy impacts them is erroneous, just as some kept trying to persuade the public that inflation is (correctly) coming down to no avail?

I am deeply concerned that economists do not understand that what is beginning to happen to mathematics will come for us with greater wrath. The little joy that you might get that AI can now tackle an algorithm issue that you would previously have struggled for days to fix is nothing compared to the great transformation that will change this field, probably in a way that is unkind to the academics, rather than to the public. Even in the best case scenario, should our funding be spared, we may descend into nothing more than storytellers and persuaders circlejerking each other in our journals as we lose public relevance.

u/DarkSkyKnight — 4 days ago

Should I pursue economics or switch to engineering

Hey! I am a Economics student in the University of Bologna. I realized after looking online, this is an extremely prestige dependent field, and was wondering if it is better for me to switch to maybe mechanical or electrical engineering at the polytechnic university of milan. I talked to some seniors pursuing Econ masters at Bocconi and LSE and they advised me to take stem subjects like maths or stats. My only objective is to land a high paying job, preferabbly something to do with economics, and I see that major banks prefer hiring engineering graduates from polimi compared to econ grads from bologna as well! I am good at maths and physics, so I can handle engineering course work, it's just that economics interested me more and why I decided to pursue it in the first place. Any advice on this is highly appreciated!

Thanks!

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u/-Sometimes------- — 4 days ago

Applying for AP positions after couple of years as an assistant professor

I have a few questions about applying for “advanced” AP positions. I know that’s not really a formal category. I just mean that I am in my fourth year as an assistant professor and would like to try for positions elsewhere.

  1. How important are recommendation letters at this stage? My coauthors are all APs, so my potential senior letter writers are still mainly people from my dissertation committee.
  2. If I know someone in a department where I’m applying, should I reach out to them personally?
  3. How much importance do departments put on external grants? I don’t have one yet, so I’m wondering whether I should explain anything about that in my application.
  4. I’m currently at a SLAC and mostly want to move to a SLAC with more research opportunities or an R2. I don’t think I have a strong shot at an R1. My publications are mostly in top field journals.

Would appreciate hearing from anyone who has made a similar move or been on a hiring committee.

(I added Teaching as flair because I don't see anything appropriate, thanks!)

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u/Odd-Concern-8230 — 4 days ago

Question about Pre-Docs

So, please forgive me if this is a stupid question, this is my first experience with pre-docs.

So, I applied for a pre-doc a few weeks ago, and all they initially asked for was a cover letter and resume. Then the hiring manager reached out and asked for references, a transcript, and GRE scores. I'm wondering if this means I'm officially in the running for the position. The reason why I ask is that there's another pre-doc in the same school that asks for a reference page and transcripts in the application itself, so I'm assuming this is like a pre-interview thing to see if I'm worth their time to interview. So, any insight would be helpful!

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u/depressedgrey6 — 4 days ago

LMU Economics' Erasmus asking for advice

Hi everyone, I need a piece of advice for my course selection. I am a Erasmus student from Italy studying Economics and Business Administration and my course selection for this semester are COMMERCIAL BANKING, BEHAVIORAL FINANCE, INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGMENT and INVESTEMENT ANALYSIS AND VALUATION. Do you guys think this schedule might be a bit too harsh? Most people told me the department of Economics is pretty difficult, if someone has any experience in this department or even in BA, I am more than happy to hear your reccomendations for courses or some general advices for Munich. Thank you for this beatiful subreddit in Reddit.

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u/AndreiCojmaschy — 5 days ago

AI and Academic Honesty - Graduate application

I got an email from a prospective graduate student asking for advice for a master’s/PhD. Nothing unusual there. I don’t know this person; they simply found me online and sent me their CV.

The CV lists 27 published papers in 2025 and 2026 alone. They also finished undergrad during this same period. So basically, 27 papers while finishing or just after finishing an undergraduate degree. The journals seem to be mostly local journals in their country or region.

But what bothered me more was the email.

It was very obviously AI-written. I have absolutely no problem with someone using AI to improve their English, fix grammar, or make an email sound more professional. But this email went on about how closely their research interests align with my “expertise” and described me as working on things I have literally never worked on.

That feels very different to me. You are using AI to create the impression that you have looked at someone’s research, understand what they do, and have thoughtfully chosen to contact them ..when apparently you haven’t.

And honestly, the whole thing made me a little depressed. This person wants to pursue a PhD, where the entire point is supposed to be doing original research and developing your own intellectual judgment. Surely there has to be some minimum expectation of academic honesty even before you enter a PhD program.

I’m not against AI. I use it too. But there has to be a difference between using AI to help communicate your own thoughts and using AI to manufacture thoughts, knowledge, or interest that you never had...

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u/Odd-Concern-8230 — 11 days ago

Chances at getting into a good PhD program straight from undergrad? (should i even try?)

I graduated from a top 15 econ US university with departmental honors t (awarded to <10% of people with that major) this May, only a couple RAs, one independent project, a dynamic optimization/game theory capstone, and pub in the works BUT i didn't take a lot of math undergrad courses aside from the required and didn't even take linear algebera. Took econometrics, prob stat, etc. GPA is 3.77 and hopefully GRE is good and I'd have solid letters of recommendations. In my home country, pre-doctoral programs don't exist and master's is 4 years, so I don't know if I would be able to meaningfully beef up my CV even if I wait. Thank you so much!

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u/Citrusnomics — 11 days ago

The Different ways of Proving the existence of a Utility Function - Question.

From MA to PhD, I have come across different ways of proving the existence of a Utility Function given a Rational Preference Relation. What I want to know is how these different methods are connected with each other. They are proving the same thing, but I don't see how they intuitively/conceptually connect to each other.

The different methods I have come across are:

>1. MWG/Jehle & Reny: Diagonal Ray Projection.
Take the unit vector ray e=(1, 1, 1, . . . , 1), there exists an unique scalar te(x) ~ x. And thereby, te(x) = u(x). This assumes local non-satiation and strict monotonicity.

>(Sorry I am not able to use LaTeX here).

>2. MWG: Another proof that MWG presents is that, Utility is assigned based on the "size" or distance metric of lower contour sets relative to a fixed standard bounding box.
If Z is a reference bundle strictly superior to all bundles in discussion, and L(x) is the lower contour set and U(x) is the upper contour set, then measure the diagonal distance or interval bounds intersecting these closed sets to get a continuous scalar function u(x).

>3. Debreu's Theorem and his Lemma (self explanatory) - There is a countable dense set D, an initial function v(x), lemma applies a monotonically strictly increasing trandformation, giving a continuous utility function u.

>4. Varian/MWG: Von Neumann Morgenstern Expected Utility Function, using the Independence Axiom and continuity axiom.

These are the proofs I have come across. But how do they all relate to each other? At a fundamental, conceptual level?

Will be very happy if somebody can answer these.

Thanks in advance!

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u/CapitalReader — 11 days ago