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I was looking at the latest fit in CivMatrix, and as usual KT it on the top:

• Knights Templar - 57.5%
• Macedonian Dynasty - 55.9%
• Zhu Xi's Legacy - 53.2%
• Japanese - 52.1%
• Order of the Dragon - 51.8%

The obvious objection is that KT is just so strong on water and that is pushing up its estimated win chance. So lets look at only land maps:

• Macedonian Dynasty - 56.8%
• Knights Templar - 54.8%
• Zhu Xi's Legacy - 53.7%
• Order of the Dragon - 52.2%
• House of Lancaster - 52.0%

So yeah, focusing in on land maps only knocks 3% off its estimated win chance. Enough to put it in second place. That does raise the question: How good is KT really on water, if it can have such an effect on its overall win chance?

Lets flip the analysis and look only on water maps:

• Knights Templar - 71.0%
• House of Lancaster - 56.4%
• Abbasid Dynasty - 54.2%
• Chinese - 54.0%
• Holy Roman Empire - 52.8%

Ouch! 71% win chance! That is 15% higher than HoL, which is second place. This does not seem anywhere close to balanced.

But maybe the problem is just that players don't know how to deal with KT on water? We should focus on only top player who know how to handle KT. That will bring the win rate more in line. So lets look at only 2000+ MMR:

• Knights Templar - 80.8%
• Abbasid Dynasty - 59.4%
• House of Lancaster - 58.4%
• English - 54.1%
• Zhu Xi's Legacy - 54.0%

81% win chance is completely obscene! Better players are not better at dealing with KT on water. They just loose even harder. No other civ has ever been this imbalanced. Closest is Zhu Xi's on water in one patch last year.

So yeah. KT on water is completely broken and desperately needs some nerfs.

Still a learning player and pretty newbie to the multiplayer AOE scene - i am just playing quickplay 4v4's but i was wondering for you long term players - do you notice the same thing i already notice that some civs are simply broken... I am talking about the moment the enemy mongols have a mass of 60+ never ending Mangudai, i was just up against a non-ending production of trampling elephants on which i read "SPEARMEN ARE THEIR COUNTER" - i sent over 60 maxxed out Spearmen and in 3s i was left with 1 singular spearmen... (HRE - the blacksmith landmark)

It seems the general premise of the game is just to rush to that point where u can spam some random unit endlessly and win the game just off of spam...

Maybe it's just me but i genuinely wish this game would be more focused on having to have a composition of all 3 categories: infantry, range & siege weaponry.. I maybe tend to find it much harder as i also play only 4v4 currently to watch others play, learn & also try my best to help out for that missing spot (i usually rush early as HRE, focus on frontline or flank with knights)

I can say that my current experience has been pretty positive as most players are encouraging, helping.. albeit 90% of my matches are against Chinese names.. not sure why that is?

Why should AOE2 have all the fun? We have a Hundred Years War campaign, so let’s get a William Wallace campaign in AOE4 and start getting the band back together.

“Dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom?”

Hey guys, what’s it like to main a few civs at the same time? I’m currently in Platinum League, and I’m struggling to play multiple civs. After, let’s say, 20 games with one civ, I start to forget the build order for the previous one. How do you keep all the build orders in mind?

I mostly play French to increase my rating, but I usually lose rating when I play other civs, especially English. I have around a 20% win rate with them.

However, I want to learn the game rather than just go for a knight push every time. My second civ is the Golden Horde, which I find extremely challenging because of the long Castle Age, but I really like it. 😂

Also, could you give me some advice on which other civs I should try?

Hey there!

I used to try and play AOE4 a few years back, around the time when OotD was added. I've returned and just like before, my biggest issue remains the balance between troops and Vills.

"Always build villagers" is advice i kept seeing back then AND now, but now I've had atleast a little bit of know-how so that I could keep their number growing and genuinely having a decent economy.

Problem was that I then got raided and usually had nothing or very little to defend myself with. It's certainly a skill issue on my part but I'm curious regardless.. what's the good balance? When do you start pumping more Into the army? (The faction i main now is the Byzantines. They're cool, though sometimes their unique units feel worse than their base counterparts)

I have always, ALWAYS been a big sword boi enjoyer. No cavalry, no range, only infantry WAAAAGHing across the map.

I've played the hell out of every infantry CIV and they were always missing something. HRE lacks power units and runs out of food SO fast in the early game, Japan secures food well but they have better cavalry than they do infantry and they don't hold up especially well in raids, Templars have excellent composition and units but are reliant on sacred sites for income and no double production, and so on, always something.

The Scots have EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING in one package. They have defenses to keep your villagers safe from Hon Hon Baguette ponies while your dumb slow army is across the map raiding, they have a unique source of stable food income to keep your barracks stocked, a means of rapid production to keep up with civs like Delhi and China, a fast infantry unit for quick raiding without needing to build a stable for horseman, heavy infantry that can trade punches with enemy MAA and spears without being exposed to Cav, Ribauldequin siege to help plow through enemy front lines in imp age.

They really have the best parts of every civ I main quilted together, I don't know how I will play anyone else when they drop. I need, need, NEED this CIV injected into my veins NOW

Man at Arms brace cavalry charges, Gallowglas brace cavalry charges, Pikeman brace cavalry charges.

When a Landsknecht 'like' unit gets a brace,

Tower Houses with stealth forests on demand, make my Turtle heart beat faster.

Can't wait to cleave, out position, and stall till late-imperial.

Which new unit, building, or tech, tickle's your fancy?

If i could only make siege in a game what would be the civ to pick

Do formation buttons actually make a difference. I've seen videos of people making their troops line out but what about the flying duck or social distancing ones, they helpful or a bit of a gimmick?