r/attitudinalpsyche

I encountered many people who say Sp7 can't be FLEV because of 4V . I am a bit confused ?

Curious for those who are 1V and have interacted closely with 4V and vice versa. What are your ideas and impressions? Theory-based ideas also welcome.

Hello! Iknow the title has quite different types, but I would like some help in figuring out what I am!

Long story short, I understand myself rather well in other systems (enneagram for example), but this one is a bit difficult for me. I do feel like i have 2L (multiple people confirmed) and low volition, but can't quite pin down the rest.

Could anyone provide examples of how 1F looks in FLEV in comparison to 4F? Because I was proposed the idea of FLEV due to "its 1F looking similar to 4F on the outside". I did read some description of FLEV and found it to be relatable, even if not 100% in minor cases.

And also would greatly appreciate examples of the difference between 1E and 3E, especially in these cases. I would consider myself a rather emotional person/open about my feelings, but only when applied to positive/neutral ones.
When it comes to any negative feelings I'm experiencing at the moment, I usually have a hard time opening up to others in fear of being too much or a burden and end up just being quiet, isolating or playing down my troubles (trusting with my honest feelings only to the very close and safe people). I don't like experiencing negativity, but at the same time end up dwelling on my feelings until I emotionally feel like it's appropriate to move on, or get distracted by something enough to stop dwelling on it.

I know there are cases where 3E can genuinely struggle or even suffer from feeling or expressing their emotions, but I don't think it applies to me. I am usually the person to encourage others to be emotionally open, and I'm definitely not seen as cold or unapproachable by others, maybe just very shy.

Any thoughts or suggestions on this? I'm open to considering other types or placements!

I‘ve come to the cunclusion that I‘m an FLVE (ENTP SP7 too so that checks out) before this I was reading the description and researching the types VLFE, FLEV and some more until I finally started researching how Attitudinal even works.

Throughout all of this I find the FLVE description, while true; to be incredibly negative and almost insulting compared to the others, is this just the 3V effectiong all other places or bias from the authors

I know that at certain stages of life, in contradictory or stressful environments, some people who are used to having a rich emotional inner life may, under the influence of certain factors, try to distance themselves from their emotional side. For example, because they are tired of pain, rejection, or for other reasons, and they resort to the idea that feelings are unimportant, they must be strong, nothing is worth worrying about.

Their First Emotion does not disappear, so how is it processed when a person falls into such a state?

• Give a general description of yourself. How old are you?
• I am almost 19 years old and almost done with highschool. I live in Europe as an only child. I ave two guinea pigs, I love them so much.
• What do you do as a job or as a career (if you have one)? Do you like it? Why or why not? If you are not working, what kind of job do you want to do or what are you studying?
• I am a highschool student, after graduation I am taking a gap year. I plan on working at a local newspaper and then visiting France for 3 months in order to learn french properly. I don't know what I want to study after my gap year, I think it's going to be psychology. I want to study it, because I like reading about psychology related topics, but I fear I only want to study it because I am afraid of every other field.
• Describe your childhood/upbringing. Did it have any kind of ideological or structured influence? How did you respond to it? Did you have any significant negative experiences that may have affected how you think or behave?
• I would describe myself as the typical ''well-behaved child'' that everybody loved. I couldn't argue, I just couldn't defend myself. I was a ray of sunshine though, sometimes a bit too trusting with people. I loved going on stage, like playing theatre. My peers and family described me as talkative, empathetic and energetic. In my opinion my younger self was the real me.
• Do you have any mental or physical health issues that might affect how think or choose to live? Provide a brief description.
• No, I don't but I think I have a tendency to get anxious easily. There are just some scenarios that are deeply unsettling for me. E.g changing environment, I feel really bad the first few weeks, but then I start to love it.
• If you had to spend an entire weekend by yourself, how would you feel? Would you feel lonely or refreshed?
• Th at depends.... honestly I think I would not enjoy it, I would want to go sidequesting with some people randomly at 4AM or something. That would be super fun.
• What is your relation with movement and your surroundings? For instance do you prefer a sport or outdoors event? If an outdoors event what is it? And why? If not what type of activities do you tend to engage?
• I see myself as a person with lower energy levels, but I have endurance at least I think I do. I am just not the person to fall in love with sports, I do them because it makes me feel good and healthy.
• How curious are you? Do you have more ideas then you can execute? What are your curiosities about? What are your ideas about - is it environmental or conceptual, and can you please elaborate?
• I have many ideas, but when I want to execute them I get bored or I just do something and after a while it becomes boring or unimportant.
• Would you enjoy taking on a leadership position? Do you think you would be good at it? What would your leadership style be?
• I don't like being needed 24/7 by others, so it depends. I am terrified of stress and burn-out, but I could see myself leading a club etc. , I like the title somehow and the power that I have. By power I mean independence.
• Do you prefer hands on activities or working with your hands in some form? Describe your activities.
• I love scrap-booking, but I hate everything technical or mechanical. I don't care about cars or working with heavy machinery.
• What's your opinion about the past, present, and future? How do you deal with them?
• I feel like I ma stuck in the past. I tray to find my answers there. E.g Aspire to me my childhood-self or sometimes random scenarios pop up that made me mad in the past, but I try to stay present, since reality has much to offer.
• How good are you at strategizing? Do you easily break up projects into manageable tasks? Or do you have a tendency to wing projects and improvise as you go?
• What's important to you and why?
• What are your aspirations?
• To live life to the fullest, to have albums full of photos and stories to tell. That's why I struggle to find a career path. I don't want to be stuck in an office.
• What are your fears? What makes you uncomfortable? What do you hate? Why?
• Ironically I fear living a life in fear and making ''safe'' decisions because my fear dictates it. I fear being unhappy, I fear being ill and living a miserable life. That's why I over-analyze myself, to make sure everything's okay with me (like physically, mentally etc.). Being surrounded by the wrong people and not having the courage to stand up for myself. My biggest fear: Chronic stress and burn-out.
• How attached are you to reality? Do you daydream often, or do you pay attention to what's around you? If you do daydream, are you aware of your surroundings while you do so?
• I am easily affected by music. I tend to have scenarios when I listen to specific songs. Most of the time it's about me achieving special things or being famous (ups), or in a fantasy world even.
• Imagine you are alone in a blank, empty room. There is nothing for you to do and no one to talk to. What do you think about?
• My feelings, I sometimes don't know how to interpret them. Probably start crying, I dont know.
• How long do you take to make an important decision? And do you change your mind once you've made it?
• How long do you take to process your emotions? How important are emotions in your life?
• I often notice later on how much certain things have affected me. I deny feelings sometimes e.g. when catching feelings for someone.
• Do you ever catch yourself agreeing with others just to appease them and keep the conversation going? How often? Why?
• Not on purpose, sometimes I am just not interested in correcting people or simply not listening as attentively, so I just nod or say yes.
• Do you break rules often? Do you think authority should be challenged, or that they know better? If you do break rules, why would you?
• I am a rule follower, simply because I don't want to get in unecessary trouble. But authority should be challenged, authority means nothing actually unless they show their qualities.
• What is the ideal life, in your opinion?
• An adventurous life, full of joy, where the sun is shining and I try different things and explore it. I would love to live by the ''the world is my playground''-approach, I am positive that I will get there some day.

Sorry, for the long text, but I think that's about it.
Enjoy reading and thank you in advance 😉

Take for example how socionics has specific dynamics between types— do you believe this applies to AP— and if you do, how so? I’m aware of opposites being the “ideal” but I’m asking for more breadth than that if you pick up what im putting down. I can give for an example that I’m VFEL & my partner is EVFL.

it feels so difficult to exist with V and F in process positions. It's difficult for me to adapt to quickly changing information or understand process logics speech most of the time. I seem much more observant of changes in physical environment than 1F but 1Fs will still beat me when it comes to physical work and energy. My 2V makes me conscious of my own motivation levels so working in hierarchical systems where I am constantly supposed to be a yes man like 4V feels impossible and 1V/3V bosses seem to be dissatisfied with my hesitation to quickly run to fulfill their orders like 4Vs do. I know the root problem is me trying to fit in environments that clearly were not made for someone like me but then most of the population have either process logic or process emotion so is there really an environment that caters more to the needs of someone with process volition and physics...

I've been constantly retyping myself for the past few years, and each time I settle on the Ni-Te-Fi-Se option.

Overall, the sx5 also suits me, unlike the sp5 or, especially, the so5. I'm not entirely sure about the lvef, After all, I probably don’t fully understand the work of the will in different positions, but I still think this type is suitable for me, both to some extent in terms of functions and in terms of descriptions of how they work with each other. I see a lot of debate about the correlation between these types. I'll say right away that I'm not a fan of strict correlations (unless it concerns socionics and MBTI), but it is very important for me to know that my types do not contradict each other, because when I try to support my understanding with additional sources, some say one thing, others say another, that's why I want to let someone see the whole picture.

(written through a translator, there may be error)

INTPs are mostly LVEFs and it’s the most harmonious combination. But what about LFVE. I’m unsure about how I can elevate my Physics. Like I do notice things in material world and sensations but due to lacking Se I don’t really see potential in it and especially with Ne.

What do you think?

Okay first of all to be clear, I’m still trying to figure out if I’m 3E or 3V. I’m aware that they’re both very different but I kinda stopped reading SoL midway and I don’t really know what other sources I can rely on. As far as I’m aware 3V kind of just affects all of your positions bu in a way making you insecure right? But that doesn’t sound like me at all. (Just to clarify, I’m a FLVE or FLEV) I’m pretty confident in most things so I’m not really sure which one I am. And yes I also know that insecurity it not the only aspect when it comes to 3V, I feel like I could just see both Emotion and Will within my 3rd and 4th position (I don’t really think both will and emotions are my priority) which I think is the main reason why I’m confused? Maybe I just need to read about them again, so could someone send me a link for this or simply tell me about 3V/4V and 3E/4E?

same goes with MBTI (though to be honest i think MBTI has little to do with one’s attitude/behavior and more on thought process).

asking this cause i’m an ISFP 9 and see no EVLF representation (on pdb anyway), tho i resonate with all of these types.

Im sure Im either FLEV or ELFV but i cant pinpoint the specific type. They both sound exactly like me.

(I thought the point of AP is its simplicity 💀.)

Is the unconsciousness of thought processes mostly a result logic thing ? For example I often arrive at correct answer but it’s annoying to me to write lengthy explanations. If it’s for example a test or a subject where it’s just pure logic that matters like maths I often can answer correctly in most questions. However, when it comes to explaining my answer I find it difficult to trace my thinking. My speaking style also doesn’t seem to engage people (I have result emotion too), there’s something in my speaking style that makes other people especially with process emotion and logic sort of disengage or even complain about me being too rude even if I don’t say anything rude. It’s like the manner I’m speaking (without expecting other people to react to my thoughts or emotions) kind of annoys others. I also often talk in a very bullet points style way (could be because I’m a TeNi in MBTI). I’m sure I have 4E too because no way my emotion is higher than that. So it leaves me a 1L. But then I experience life in such a visceral way?? Is it because logic/thinking is result so my attention goes mostly to visceral functions like V and F? It’s like a weird combination of being constantly stuck in your head but also processing physical around very viscerally/realistically in a hyper detailed way and impulsively reacting to your wants and chasing them intensely. Shouldn’t 1L give me more rationality and perspective?