r/attitudinalpsyche

It just assumes everyone else is normal people and is decent.

And 3V is not a demon. Its just insecure and doubts everything and everyone.

I've tried to think about it, and I still can't find a solution. During my elementary school years, I'd guess I was a 3E, maybe even a 1E. Back then, people saw me as smart. But whenever a new lesson came up and nobody in class could do it, including me, I'd suddenly burst into tears. The emotions would completely overwhelm me and ruin the rest of my day. I was deeply ashamed of crying like that, but I couldn't control it.

I often lied to my mother about why I cried. One time, I told her I had fallen down, when in reality that wasn't why I was crying at all.

In middle school, I had a friend group, and that was when I started experiencing feelings of being an outcast. I constantly tried to hold back my tears. Even something as simple as a friend raising their voice at me or ignoring me could make me cry. It was embarrassing. There were two times when I had emotional outbursts, and when people asked why I was crying, I refused to explain. The reason was them. I felt resentment toward them, but I didn't want them to feel upset over something that probably seemed small or ridiculous.

There was also a period where I genuinely believed my friend group hated me. One friend would yell at me constantly no matter what I did, and during that time, I cried all the time. Strangely though, once I got home and changed environments, I wasn't sad anymore. I'd just relax and play on my phone like nothing had happened. Human brains are ridiculous like that. One location turns into a psychological war zone, another turns into “hehe scrolling peacefully.”

But there was another period that affected me much more deeply. I knew there would be school activities where I'd have to stay away from home and spend long periods around people whose feelings toward me I couldn't read. Their behavior felt erratic. They borrowed my things, yelled at me, acted unpredictably. During that time, even when I was at home, I became extremely depressed, to the point where my parents noticed. I'll skip the details of that part.

I'm much better now, probably because my environment changed.

Back then, I typed myself as 4E-2 because I liked listening to other people's sad stories. I felt that listening was a way to make people feel less alone. At the same time, I thought it was easy to fake emotions, whether laughter or sadness. I also typed myself as 3V because I saw myself as “third-level” in every aspect, so I blamed almost everything on 3V instead.

Recently, something happened that made me reconsider the concepts of 1E and 3E again, though I won't go into the details for now.

I'm considering 2l and 4l I'm very into Open minded opinions and what connects towards it and I really consider others pov just so I can be within their thoughts but at the same time I'm not the person who uses long reasoning when it comes to a simple math equation because I either think I can figure it out with my own logic or Im focusing on reaching to a conclusion quickly which I influenced with my volition , reason why I need to be quick , and I'm a surface level understanding person so I don't philosophize alot ( I'm also not naturally into complex logic unless it is necessary for my understanding but I like theorizing when I'm bored)

I consider myself either LFEV or LEFV but what do you think? Everytime when I try to type myself I come to the conclusion that it’s like I don’t even know myself that much to be able to figure it out.

Logic: I almost always try to form my own opinion. Internal monologues. Sometimes I create difficulties for myself by refusing looking for explanations — for example, I tried to learn to solve a Rubik’s cube and to play chess, but I rejected guides and tactic manuals because I feel I must discover the logic behind them myself. However, sometimes I’m too lazy or lack the knowledge to dive deep, so I may adopt a superficial position just to fill the uncertainty. I like philosophy, but I read books about different concepts only to close gaps in my own worldview. I’m not inclined to enter heated debates — the situation itself makes me tense because you need to think quickly about how to respond, and unfortunately I can’t always do that. Still, in a more relaxed setting I enjoy good arguing; but the opponent’s position doesn’t interest me much except as a tool to fill gaps in my own stance. In general, I’m pretty relaxed when tell my opinion on different things.

Physics: I’d say I’m fairly relaxed in this area. I like discussing purchases and their advantages. I prefer practical accessories and loose clothing. I combine earthiness with pensiveness (I do daydream). My material situation matters to me (I’m afraid of living in poverty). I’m lazy and find it hard to keep my room tidy and stay in shape. I notice whether I like certain sensations or not. I’m not always confident about my appearance; I often check myself in the mirror to see how I change during the day and can spend half an hour changing hairstyles until I find one that fits me perfectly. That said, I wouldn’t say others’ opinions worry me — sometimes I do dress poorly, but that’s because I chose not to focus on my outfit. Sometimes I’m pretty comfortable with looking “unstylish”. If someone criticizes my “stylish” look, I tend to trust my own judgment but still can change small details. Bad with money, I try to spend money thoughtfully, but I sometimes find it hard to resist small purchases like snacks, inexpensive accessories, and other small items.

Emotions: I track my emotions and generally understand where they come from and what causes them. In conflicts I tend to hold them back, paying more attention to assessing the conflict and resolving it properly. I’m afraid of losing control over my emotions because I’m quick-tempered (cursing every person or situation that caused me micro aggression), and that would mean losing control over the situation. I feel insecure when asked about my feelings, and I’m also not very interested in hearing about other people’s emotions. However, I often take on the role of a psychologist and I’m interested in listening about a person’s motives — how they think and what guides them. Especially from the person that I’m really interested in.

Volition: I have little idea what I want to do or in which field I could develop my potential. I don’t know what kind of person I am or what set of qualities I have. I can’t say I have firm principles, because I either forget them over time, or I’m too lazy to follow them, or they stop mattering to me. I easily give the leadership role to whoever wants it, but I try to express my own desires as well as logical observations and remarks. However, when I meet someone equally lacking in drive, I usually take the reins of leadership. I wouldn't say I become a leader — I just behave more actively and am more likely to make the final decision based on the group's general wishes.

I am EII in Socionics and SP4 in Enneagram. I relate completely to Delta values in Socionics and to the SP4 prototype, but I think I'm a bit more extraverted and have slightly better Se, Ne and Te than average EII. Probably worse Fe and Si.

I'm almost completely sure that I have 1E.

I don't think I have 3V. I can be ambitious and I usually want to be the best at what I do, but it never manifests as aggressivity or competitiveness against others. I'd say I'm 2V because I'm quite active especially for an EII, I set a lot of goals that I usually achieve and I'm good at inspiring and helping others. But I guess I could be 4V.

I'm 3F or 4F. I've always felt kind of uncomfortable in my body, but this has almost stopped after starting to do exercise. I worry about looks. I care about being in a beautiful place a lot. Whether a city is beautiful or not is my main criterion when considering moving.

I'm not sure about my L placement. I'm very curious and I want to learn about a lot of things. I like to argue peacefully. I can be critical of inconsistent arguments in other people. Most of the time I'm aware of what is and isn't logical, but I can make illogical decisions sometimes ignoring that I know I'm being irrational.

1. I'm a really lazy person. Sometimes I let my room get messy just because I'm too lazy to clean it up. But at the same time, I deliberately didn't clean it up because I felt my own mess did not bother my comfort. However, I get easily disturbed and disgusted with other's mess.
2. I'm not really a materialistic person, but I do believe that I need to get rich and stable in the future to achieve true happiness lol.
3. I don't hesitate to share my things with others, as long as they do the same. I'm just stingy if someone doesn't want to do the same.
4. I also don't hesitate to borrow or ask for things from my friends (like food, books, etc.) I'm even sometimes labeled as greedy because I ask for too much food.
5. I don't like to show off my possessions or wealth (because in my environment, people who do this are always shunned). But I prefer to show off my physical appearance or physical abilities.
6. I'm usually not afraid to try new things. But if I feel like it's not to my liking, I'll leave it alone. I don't like activities that drain my energy and mood, so I usually will strongly avoid invitations to do these activities.
7. I'm a person who is perhaps... a bit picky. As I said before, I'm open to trying new things, so this also applies to food. However, if I'm forced to eat something I hate, I'd rather starve (unless I was really hungry)
8. Sometimes I don't have a personal preference for something, so I always ask other people for advice. I buy things based on function and utility because I don't want to waste my money.
9. I rarely change my habits, unless someone really bullies me into changing them.
10. Since I'm a lazy person, I hate it when someone disturbs my comfort. I don't see other's responsibility as mine, so I'm not bothered to do it. I get annoyed when people criticize the way I do things or the way I organize things.
11. I always indulge in physical comfort such as eating and sleeping. Sometimes I have to lock myself in during fasting so I don't eat, or freeze myself so I don't sleep.

F

-I usually have very low energy levels so I’m mostly concerned about more practical things.
-ı concerned about money because of;
Earn at least a decent amount that ı can live comfortably,do what ı wanted,travel,peace of mind etc.
-ı used to couldn’t care less about fashion.
I used to be so messy that my room looked like a dump,ı pick something random and wear it (this might be because of major depression thought)but ı grew out of it , and now ı keep my things neat, ı care more about what ı wear. Because ı noticed that living more comfortable and valuing my body makes me feel good.
- ı usually wear comfortable thing but care about self expression ,like makes me kind of unique.
-ı don’t care about what is trending or fashionable
I just wear what ı want.
I hate wearing colorful things.
-ı’m not very a good cook, just making simple things but ı’m picky about it and usually eating same thing again and again because ı’m to lazy to do so. Sometimes ı eat just because of necessity. I don’t want to get starved lol.
When ı was a child ı had a really weak body and ı was to thin from my peers that ı need to go to a doctor and he said that to me ; you look like starving African kids you need to gain weight.
My weight is more normal than before but ı’m sill skinny af.
-ı enjoy doing dance,skateboarding,crafting etc. but ı’m definitely not an active person though ı’m a fast learner.
And ı usually don’t care what people wear.

Emotion

Some people say that ı look like robot 🤖
I usually get along with the emotional athmospere at the moment, ı’m scared of expressing my emotions without a filter. But ı’m not really good at it because my emotions shows in my face without my permission . I find hard to simile.
Example ; we were taking a group photo and ı thought ı was smiling like joker and then ı saw the photo and ı looked like Batman .
I enjoy classical music,art,opera,balet.
I usallly keep my emotions to myself but blow after. I’dont like theatre. If there is a person that ı find annoying the most that probably will be a person that Showing exaggerated feelings, celf centered, never listens,selfish and a person that cares a lot about hierarchy.
I don’t talk much if there isn’t anything that makes my interest blow.
I’m quite introverted myself people drains me easily ı don’t have that energy.
When ı’m in a group of people usually ı’m the most introverted one. But it depends on the person that ı’m be with tho. I’m usually very cold and distant .
I’m not the one who that approaches people first.
And ı don’t look like it but ım quite sensitive deep down.
I’m not really good at dealing with people and ı have no idea how realationships need to work.
Because ı get drained easily.

Will

I go with the flow when ı’m with sameone ı don’t express my preferences out loud but ı have it.
If ım with a person that ı feel more comfortable around ı might say it thought.
That’s why ı prefer to be alone most of the time because when ı’m with people ı feel the need to agree what they say.
But this is just for events.
For example; going somewhere,doing an unimportant activity etc.
I can make my own decisions about my life and ı don’t like it when people interfere . When ı’m talking with anyone ı can express my preferences easily and ı don’t care when people judge me for it. I don’t try to impose anything usually.
I do my own thing ,though ı’m to lazy and ı have low energy levels.
But if I’m doing something with someone that doesn’t interest me much ı prefer giving someone the lead (because ı don’t want to make effort)

Logic

I feel like a lot of people doesn’t care about the truth as much as ı care .
I like talking about philosophy.
Example; when ı’m talking with semone; teacher,friend,family etc. ı noticed that ı Unconsciously impose my thoughts and this is making people feel irritated.
I take so much time to think about things.
When ı’m researching something ı value the most correct and reliable recourse. I’m to picky about it. Something that ı noticed in recent years that ı can’t swept by my emotions or other things like ego etc. if I’m doing something it needs to be reasonable . I rarely discuss my ideas. I always try to make sense of everything like someones emotions any idea any event. That it looks like piss people off sometimes. I mean it is or it is not? Simple as it is. I thought ı was a thoughtful person but recently people say that ı’m to judgmental.

I think she's high F and E but I'm not sure. I can't figure out what her type too.. (if you could figure out her enneatype I'd be grateful)

Physics:
I always thought that she was a 2F because she likes excursions, especially old buildings and other stuff. She's active and hates dirt. But now I think she might be 1F because when Me or my Dad (both 1F3V) leave a kitchen dirty she blows up.
She always trying to feed me some new food even though I don't like it. My mom is an optimistic person and that's not in her nature to stay sad for a long time. She gets offended when someone doesn't like her outfit or her appearance. That's strange because as a 1F myself, I don't care what others say about my beauty because I know that I'm pretty. She doesn't really like sports but in order to stay fit, she does some exercises every morning. She hates when her things are touched without her permission. She's kinda into art, but hates modern art. She has no problem with singing or dancing with someone.
She's hardworking not because she likes to work, but because she likes to chill and doesn't like procrastination, so sometimes I can find her working till night.
If someone had a hobby she thinks is useless (for example playing computer games) she says that they have a lot of free time, in a bad way.
Sometimes I think that my mom doesn't have any physical fears at all! (like spiders or height).

Volution:
I think she's 4V. She avoids accusing people directly. For example, when her towel is used, she always says "who touched my towel!??" even tho it's obvious it was dad and not me, but she's still don't say that to dad.
She's easy to influence. My dad has recently started counting calories and my mom started doing it too.
She doesn't mind being a leader in a group, but I'm not sure whether she likes it. When she has a trip with a family or friends, she's the one who makes plans where to go, where to eat etc. But she said that if someone else also has a plan she's okay with following it.
My mom is protective of her loved ones. When someone bothers me she immediately lashes out at them. She stands up for herself too.
She is not competitive at all. If there's a game in groups, she prefers to follow rather than lead.
She doesn't care about other people at all if that's not her loved ones. I feel like she has an average self-esteem. She doesn't try to be someone she isn't. But she can be a people pleaser. She doesn't like fighting with other people so she wants other to see her as a kind, joyful and caring person.
She respects other people and wants them to treat her as sacrificially as she treats them. When she wants to meet up with someone she can reschedule her plans just to hang out with someone. But very few people do it in return.. It makes her feel upset. She treats people like they treat her.

Logics:
My mom loves detectives. She likes to think over who's the murdered and so on. She loves learning something new and taking some courses. My mom likes trying new things. Likes to read. When there's a topic she's doesn't know, she tries not to join a conversation. She hates when someone gives her advises in her sphere, especially if that person don't know what they're talking about.
She falls out with people, even tho she isn't a confrontational person.
She doesn't really like "imagine that" questions.
There's been a lot situations when she told things she shouldn't. She overshares with random people and that scares me sometimes.. She speaks before thinking at times.

Emotion:
She is emotional. When there's opportunity to cry over a film she cries. Not hysterically, just drops some tears but that still counts as a cry. She's very empathetic. She's aware of others feelings and doesn't like to hurt anyone. I wouldn't say she's manipulative.
When she has a bad mood she can take it out on someone. But she works on herself and always ready for a conversation to sort things out.
When someone tells her a story and checks on her emotions she reacts with her facial expressions. She feels others pain. When I need emotional support I know she will give it to me 100%.
She can match a mood of group.
Everybody likes her and if her friends are fighting, she's the one who tries to do something about it, even though nobody asked.
She has no problem with being in the centre of attention, but she doesn't overshadow anyone.
She's an easy going person.

Love my mom

(I apologize if there's any mistakes. English is not my first language lmao)

Most of the time, I know exactly what I want. I enjoy making decisions for myself and those around me when things are clear. To be honest, I enjoy leading—though I can get flustered at times or a bit reactive if people don't listen. I have a strong aversion to being told what to do or being led, unless it's a field I’m completely unfamiliar with or if the person is significantly more skilled than I am. I want to be the master of my own destiny; I don't want anyone dictating my actions, though I am generally open to feedback if I feel I truly need it.

I have a deep-seated hatred for being controlled (a trait I can trace back to when I was only six years old lol). Sometimes, this escalates into resentment toward my circumstances if they block me from reaching my goals. I also despise it when my own emotions or someone else's influence prevent me from doing what is necessary to progress which makes me do the opposite and insist on doing what I want to do.

I am driven by achievement and growth. I often feel a genuine sense of jealousy toward people who possess skills I lack or haven’t gained yet, those who are special, or those who have already reached high levels of mastery. It’s a mix of jealousy and deep admiration. Regardless, I’m somewhat obsessed with self-improvement and expanding my potential across most fields through knowledge and experience. My passion, you could say, is reaching my absolute limit.

I am highly sensitive to respect. I hate disrespecting others, and I absolutely cannot tolerate being disrespected myself. This sensitivity is so acute that I sometimes interpret certain looks or perceived indifference as a lack of respect—even though I can feel that most people I meet treat me automatically with a level of respect and with formality, which is something I appreciate and maintain. I’m not sure if this is just a personality trait or a byproduct of my upbringing (my childhood was pretty cooked). As a result, my "nice and considerate" persona might vanish if my sense of security is triggered; I become more pragmatic and a little bit harsh, mostly to show people that I’m not just that "nice" side—to assert myself, I suppose. I have zero tolerance for disrespect even from my inner circle; I might not be aggressive with those close to me, but I will make my dissatisfaction very clear.

I’ve always felt more jealous of "quiet leaders"—those who can act naturally or even silly, yet automatically command the room. I admire that innate "dominant" energy they radiate. Even though I don't fake my personality and often end up being the one leading and driving things in groups, I find myself jealous of their ability to make people naturally gravitate toward their leadership, liking them, and hand over authority to them so effortlessly.

Regarding ambition, I find it difficult to maintain long-term goals. I often feel a lack of motivation, especially concerning my studies. Even though I manage to get excellent grades with minimal effort, while helping my parents, working on my personal growth (my strongest suit), and freelancing for my own income—I still find myself questioning my other goals. I often feel they aren't "worth it," or I doubt my willpower to achieve everything I want. However, I do hit my short-term targets whenever I truly set my mind to them. I don't find 3v's "lost in life" concept suitable for me at all, I know what I am going to do despite being lacking motivation a little to it, I don’t feel anxious about my path.

When I look deep inside, I sometimes wonder if I even have "grand" ambitions. Growing up in a very unstable home without the family life I wanted and needed, my core desire is to build the life I never had. I want to reach a state of total inner balance, peace, knowledge, and the wisdom to navigate life without letting it break me. I want to use that wisdom to help others. I want to be closer to God. And eventually, I want to have a stable, warm home with a supportive healthy family of my own.

-If it helps, people often describe me as confident with a strong personality. While I do experience inner doubts at times, I’m usually able to overcome them because of my high level of self-awareness.-

I am interested cause I basically used to be Infp but I noticed that I am more rational, logical and emotionally dry than most Infps which made me lean more towards Intp. But I don’t want typing, I just want to see how you see the both these combinations, especially the first one cause it is more unusual.

Hello, I used to be really knowledgeable with AP/Psychosophy, but I haven't dealt with typology for a few years now. So I don't quite remember what the numbers on the right side of the letter mean. For instance FVEL ^((1213)) or F^(1)V^(2)E^(1)L^(3)