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Commentary on YouTube Live (Max Gunther)

Some commentary on the YouTube live the other night regarding the section on Max Gunther. There were a number of comments that were not factual.

There is nowhere that I know of where Clara says anything about mailing letters from somewhere else. Not in the book. Not in the Gunther notes. The letters were mailed from New York. Because Himmelsbach was on the west coast, his letter would have been routed through other places after New York.

William Smith’s Navy records show he was right handed. Why Pat is pushing that he was left handed is unknown. We have no way to know at this point if Cooper was right or left handed. The odds point to right. No one can be ruled in or out based off their dominant hand.

She claims some sort of inside information that she has on Smith. What? That he was supposedly left handed and was a nice guy? If you have info that exonerates Smith then why do you let his daughter suffer under this supposed hell she’s living in?

There was commentary that the real hijacker would not contact Gunther. Why not? He couldn’t brag to his buddies. Plenty of criminals poke the bear. Deangelo did it. Zodiac. Why not Cooper? He beat the man. He didn’t tell Max anything too revealing. Even 40 years later we are arguing over whether the info is enough to find the caller.

She mentions that William Smith’s wife would not know who Max Gunther was. My theory is that the male in the Clara saga was the one who knew who Gunther was from reading True, and that it was the man who penned the first letter. What is interesting is that Smith’s wife Dolores grew up in Bloomfield, NJ. That’s about 9 miles from where Max lived in Maplewood, NJ. Bloomfield High and Maplewood High were rivals in sports. Same school district. Her brothers played baseball against Maplewood. Also, Paul Cotton lived less than 2 miles from the Kislowski family. Max was a local guy. It’s not unusual to think that maybe they crossed paths at some point.

Pat claims no one’s mother licked stamps. This is just absurd. The Clara stamp had DNA on it. Someone licked it. It was not from being touched.

In terms of finding Max’s articles and how there was no internet back then and therefore it was hard to find info. Pat seems to forget about the Readers Guide to Periodical Literature. Libraries had this info. I have printouts of some pages from that guide that show Max’s articles. I used it extensively in grade school, high school, and college.

Pat says something about only the Oregonian and Seattle Times having articles on DB Cooper and that a housewife would not know about Cooper. For real? The whole country knew. By 1982 there were plenty of articles from many newspapers. besides, the background info on the hijacking likely came from Gunther.

Clara said that Dan tried to contact Max in the 60s. Did Max remember the article in True? Maybe. He probably had to look up the exact title again. My guess is the Ladies Home Journal article in 1971 triggered something with Dan and Clara. Men read that magazine too if it was around. I remember reading it as a kid when it was at my house. That’s where you’d get info on how women lived back then. But the reality is that it was probably in Dan and Clara’s house at some point or someone else’s. Or at a hair salon. The woman in the article was named Carol something, and changed her name to Carol Smith. Smith had a daughter named Carol. Maybe a coincidence, but you never know. The first letter reads like a man wrote it, the letter to Himmelsbach has a female ring to it. Two people. A male and female.

Pat tries to make it look like Dan would not have known who the other publishers were to contact. False. Max suggested he contact Ed Kuhn of Playboy. The other person contacted was Mark Penzer, who was the editor in chief of True Magazine. The common theme here is True Magazine.

If you listen to Pat, Max was some very vain person who was stupid enough to fall for a hoax. He had money and a good education. He had published many books. He didn’t need any of this.

From the comments section we have Mary J. claiming that William Smith’s scar would have been visible. How? It was on the palm of his right hand, face down, and in the briefcase most of the time.

There is a conversation about Clara knowing all these details of Dan’s life. Pat tries to make it sound like no wife would know that info. Of course they would know basic info, especially if she was reading off notes that Dan wanted her to convey to Gunther. There really is not a whole lot of info on Dan in a book that long. There is a lot of filler and a lot about the hijacking.

Pat says the DNA was destroyed and therefore can not be verified. It’s a raw DNA profile obtained just like any other crime. You can’t fake a raw DNA profile to point to someone and to get all sorts of matches. She is just not educated on the process.

There is a lot more to unpack about Pat’s evaluation of the Gunther story. I might have to do a blog post on it.

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u/Swimmer7777 — 3 days ago

An Explanation for the Tena Bar Money

Once he landed, this theory assumes he survived, Cooper faced some problems apart from, most likely, trying to make his way back to Portland or Vancouver.

He can't walk into either city with a large money bag and a parachute, clearly. That would be remembered by eyewitnesses. He must ditch, if only temporarily, both items in a more rural area.

The drop zone is rural, but the ground underneath him was hard and he did not have a full-sized shovel, though he could have placed a smaller one inside the mystery bag. With law enforcement potentially searching for him in the drop zone, he needed to leave it as quickly as possible, never come back and be nowhere nearby given search parties, not knowing exactly where he landed, might look for him in adjoining areas. He needs to put a lot of distance between him and the drop zone and the sooner the better. Anyhow, he has a long hike without sleep and with little food ahead of him and he is a smoker in his 40s. He might also feel like he can not waste energy, not just time, on digging into hard ground with poor or no equipment.

So, Cooper leaves the drop zone with both the money bag and the parachute (given that was never found in the drop zone and would be hard to miss), with him having hastily packed the parachute again. Cooper knows that sand near the Columbia river will be soft and perfect for digging quickly and easily. It is also rural and isolated. He also knows that he can dump the parachute into the river, faking his own death for investigators, and that he can simply follow the river to Vancouver and then Portland, with no need to navigate or wander in the dark.

Cooper has no fixed, preplanned place to head to on the riverbank and ends up at Tena Bar by simply walking westwards, using a compass inside the mystery bag, the stars or finding some signs. Cooper can't go eastwards or northwards, because he has to go to Portland or Vancouver and, plausibly, grab his car.

Not knowing exactly where he headed, being in a hurry and without sleep and it being the middle of the night, he buries the money at a beach that seems deserted during the night but, as we know, was near a farm. Like he mistakenly left his tie inside the airplane. He throws the parachute in the river, later to apparently be spotted by the river by some eyewitnesses before it was lost.

Cooper heads to Portland-Vancouver by simply following the river, gets his car and the sun rises. He realizes he could be spotted digging again or carrying the bag, but he has no choice but getting it, banking on it being early Thanksgiving morning and the place still seeming mostly deserted. If he comes back at some later point, the money could be destroyed, being near water, or have been found or whatever rock he used to mark the spot could have been moved.

So, he hastily grabs the money and heads to his car. Nervous of being spotted and in a hurry, he misses $6,000 falling out, or perhaps it had fallen out in the darkness earlier and he fills the hole again. The money was then buried there for years until being found.

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u/EmployerLiving2786 — 3 days ago

--- Title: The DB Cooper Theory Nobody's Talking About: Veteran, Restitution, and the Intentional Money Drop

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I've been obsessed with this case for a while now, and I think I've landed on something that ties together the evidence better than the official "he died on impact" narrative. I'm not saying I've solved it — I'm saying the FBI's story has cracks, and there's a coherent alternative that explains them.

Let me walk you through how I got here.

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The Rubber Band Problem

Everyone knows about the Tina Bar money find — 5,800 in three bundles, discovered in 1980. The FBI assumed Cooper died with the money, and a small portion washed downstream.

But here's what stopped me: rubber bands degrade in water in 3-5 months. These bands held the money together for nine years. That doesn't work unless the money was dry-stored for most of that time.

Then Tom Kaye's diatom research hit: spring-blooming diatoms on the inner bills. Not year-round. Not winter. Spring. Meaning the money entered the river in a spring — not November 1971 when Cooper jumped.

So the money wasn't with Cooper when he died. It was placed there later. Or retrieved later. Or both.

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The Intentional Drop Theory

Most people assume Cooper accidentally lost the money, or that animals scattered it, or that natural river deposition deposited it at Tina Bar.

I don't buy it. Three bundles, in original bank packet order, at one spot, with intact rubber bands? That's not random. That's deliberate placement.

What if Cooper survived the jump, buried the money near his landing zone, and retrieved most of it in a later year? The three bundles were accidentally dropped during retrieval — maybe during the June 1972 Columbia River flood, when record highs reached his burial site. The flood washed those bundles to Tina Bar, where they sat until 1980.

The rest of the money? Gone. Because Cooper took it.

This explains why only 3% was found, why the order was preserved, why the rubber bands survived, and why spring diatoms appeared.

But it also means something bigger: Cooper didn't just survive. He outplayed the FBI.

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The 200,000 Exact Amount

Why 200K? Not 1M. Not 50K. Exactly 200,000.

I think this was restitution, not greed. Someone who felt owed. Someone who calculated what they'd lost and took it back.

The timing matters: March 1971, Boeing cancelled the SST (Supersonic Transport) project. Mass layoffs. Engineers who'd spent years on specialized work suddenly had nothing. No pension. No career. No identity.

November 1971 — Thanksgiving Eve. A deadline. No money for holidays. No family to face. One last professional act.

200K in 1971 = roughly lifetime earnings + benefits for a senior engineer. Not random. Calculated.

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The Veteran Pivot

I started thinking he was a Boeing engineer. The tie particles — titanium, rare earth metals used in CRT screens — point to Tektronix in Vancouver, WA, a Boeing subcontractor. He knew the 727 better than the crew. He knew Tacoma by sight. He knew refueling procedures.

But engineers are smart. They're not calm-under-fire smart. Not "take a parachute apart to inspect for sabotage" smart.

That's military training. SERE school. Combat jumps. Evasion tactics. The ability to function when everything is wrong.

What if he was a veteran hired by Boeing post-service? SST project recruited military aviation specialists. He had the insider knowledge AND the discipline to execute.

The calm, the politeness, the methodical precision — that's not a desperate criminal. That's someone who's been trained to operate under pressure.

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The Thanksgiving Timing

This wasn't random. Thanksgiving is huge for military families — reunion, belonging, identity. For someone who'd lost his career, his stability, maybe his family, Thanksgiving Eve is the last deadline before the abyss.

He wasn't running from something. He was running toward one final act of control.

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The Misdirection

The money at Tina Bar wasn't a mistake. It was the final professional act — closing the books on his own story.

By leaving just enough to be found, he ensured the FBI would search the wrong area (Lewis River instead of Washougal River), declare him dead, and close the case. Meanwhile, he escaped with 97% of the money and a new life.

The tie? Left deliberately. Traceable particles pointing to Boeing/Tektronix — but only if you looked closely. Another layer of misdirection.

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What I'm Missing

I don't have a name. The cross-reference — Boeing SST layoffs March 1971 + military parachute veterans + local to Vancouver-Portland + disappeared 1971-1973 — requires records I can't access.

The FBI has names they investigated and cleared. Tektronix has employee records that aren't public. Military discharge records are sealed.

But the profile is tight:

- 45 years old in 1971

- Boeing or Tektronix engineer

- Military parachute background

- Laid off or resigned abruptly March-November 1971

- No longer in records after November 1971

Someone out there has access to these records. Someone can cross-reference.

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Why This Matters

The FBI closed the case in 2016. They think he died. The evidence — the money, the diatoms, the rubber bands, the survival feasibility — says otherwise.

I'm not claiming I found DB Cooper. I'm claiming the official narrative is wrong, and there's a coherent alternative that fits the evidence better.

If you're reading this and you have access to Boeing archives, Tektronix records, or military discharge databases from 1968-1971, I'd love to collaborate.

If you're reading this and you think I'm wrong — tell me where. I'm not attached to being right. I'm attached to the truth.

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TL;DR: Cooper survived. The money at Tina Bar was intentional misdirection, not accidental loss. He was a laid-off Boeing/Tektronix veteran who felt owed 200K in restitution. The FBI searched the wrong area because he wanted them to. The name is out there — we just need the records to find it.

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u/KyngDavid6060 — 6 days ago

The dummy chute

It had something on the outside to confirm it was a non functioning chute, either a (red) X or text saying "Non Functional", do we know for certain which it was?

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u/Bernard-Toast — 8 days ago

Someone went missing around that time..

Someone went missing around that time and never came back. That person was known to us as Dan Cooper/DB Cooper today. What was his real name? Who was he really?

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u/02Reaper — 9 days ago

Can Othram Look At The Tie?

Let’s please end this now!! Othram needs to be given access to the tie. If they are allowed to analyze the tie spindle, I am convinced they will not only be able to develop a profile of Cooper, but they will be able to definitively identify him with Investigative Genetic Genealogy.

It’s so frustrating. The answer is here somewhere, but it’s going to require DNA and I think Othram is the best possible chance we still have.

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u/NukeHoax2024 — 10 days ago

In 1966 a French film called "Objectif 500 Millions" was released. It follows the story of a former commando paratrooper who was jailed for his involvement in a putsch attempt in Algeria and, upon his release years later, gets involved in a heist where he is to stow away on a DC-3, set a bomb to blow the plane up over the sea, and jump out with the aforementioned 500 million. The movie played in the US from the middle sixties through the seventies (at least in terms of what's available on Newspapers.com) and featured ads like the one here (from 1969) which got me interested in the first place:

https://preview.redd.it/32q1p62lvrzg1.png?width=868&format=png&auto=webp&s=11b3a29a178ca28750b3894f7e19bcd0101ddb02

The plot itself isn't analogous to Cooper's heist, but the basic pieces are all there (bomb, parachute, money, jump out with money...) and it's always possible that Cooper happened to like seeing a French film now and again. Might be the kind of thing that a Canadian would find more accessible too...

One way or another we can toss it on the pile of parajacking examples before Cini, Cooper, et al; this idea was out there in the wild in plenty of places.

If you want to watch it it's not easy to find as it's been out of print in the US for a long time. I got a copy for like $10 through a site that burns out of print films to DVD-R which is hilarious in 2026. It's not a bad film!

https://preview.redd.it/tl4g10hmvrzg1.png?width=966&format=png&auto=webp&s=b57b3553ace145c23ba7cab52a0b6af32b86e52a

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u/lxchilton — 14 days ago