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It's probably been mentioned already but I'll say it again: Google wants to lockdown your Android phone
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It's probably been mentioned already but I'll say it again: Google wants to lockdown your Android phone

Pleeease sign it pretty please

In 2027 Google will release a silent update (no OS update or restart, it is completely invisible) where you will not be able to run or install any app that doesn't have a thumbs up from Google.

For more information: https://keepandroidopen.org/

I cannot stress this enough.

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u/Viambulance — 1 day ago

Browser that actually gives good results without an AI overview?

I've been using chrome for years now but I'm thinking of dropping it since every time I use it now it gives really crappy results that don't even match the keywords I use. I suspect this is because they're really wanting to push people to use the AI overview and it just doesn't sit right with me. I tried putting -ai at the end of every search and it's just vaguely relevant stuff that doesn't match what I'm looking for! Any nice browsers that actually give you matching results?

I'd like to avoid Bing, DuckDuckGo and Brave if possible since I have my own issues with them.

Edit: NOT BROWSER, search engine! But go ahead and suggest browsers as well!

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u/ppexplosion — 1 day ago
▲ 36 r/degoogle+1 crossposts

Alternatives to youtube

Youtube is becoming unusable lately. The ads are more frequent than ever. I feel like google is listening to me and throwing an add as soon as I step away from my computer.
At the same time the experience of youtube from 15 years ago was way better. E.g. no shorts forced, dislike counts, etc.
My question is: “Are there any good alternatives?”
I would happily pay for a sub not from google. Ideally one that costs somewhat less than 20 euros. But even 20 is fine to keep corporations away from profiting on invasion of my privacy.

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u/50meOn — 1 day ago
▲ 19 r/degoogle+5 crossposts

Puri.li - I built my own search engine (with its own index)

Hi all, I am currently working on building something I have tried since a kid, a search engine with its own index. Most 'privacy focused' simply pass the query to google or bing (except brave search), or add a lot of ai in between the results. The index is still really small (so if any sites are missing please do add them via the form), but I am mostly wondering the following:

What would be needed for you to switch from your main search to one that's (possibly) more privacy friendly? And if you have any general suggestions/feedback/errors please let me know. It is available at https://puri.li

u/SusejLegend — 1 day ago

Why doesn't Lineage OS get any attention?

Is it any good? My phone doesn't support Graphene but it does support Lineage

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u/1or4s — 1 day ago
▲ 65 r/degoogle+1 crossposts

Google location history keeps sending data despite I disabled it via android settings and application data usage was disabled too to block use data in the background.

There you have another reason why not to trust google. Their privacy settings are useless and google location history keeps sending data every day when I go out.

All privacy settings are set to block any location history including google maps. But it seems android can go around it even when I set the allow background data usage to disabled.

u/Fox3High369 — 1 day ago
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It has begun...

The new 24 hr wait to sideload has started rolling out. Prepare yourself accordingly.

u/jven27 — 2 days ago

Is the Proton family of products a good enough private alternative to Google products?

Do you recommend any other alternatives?

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u/Vexi_yt — 1 day ago

Is Ente Photos a good privacy-focused alternative to Google Photos?

Does anyone have experience with Ente Photos? Is the free plan good enough? Can you suggest any other alternatives? I currently have 1.76 GB of space occupied in Google Photos.

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u/Vexi_yt — 1 day ago
▲ 4.5k r/degoogle+1 crossposts

I'm suing Google in Small Claims. Surprisingly, they're actually fighting tooth and nail

Edit: You should have your Remind Me's set past 30 days based upon the date for the next hearing. Don't want to give too much information on the exact date, but the court is backlogged right now and 30 days won't be enough.

This is a long story and I am a very rambly person, but if you're interested, fasten your seatbelts and live vicariously through me and my attempt to hold Google accountable.

Let me preface this by saying that I am not a lawyer/barrister/solicitor, I am not giving legal advice, and I'm just an average person that is sick of companies screwing over customers and getting away with it. I also have made this intentionally vague for anonymity purposes while this plays out.

As you may be aware, in June Google notified customers that they were going to be updating the privacy settings by retiring the "Web & App Activity" settings in favor of "Search Services History" and "Personalized Recommendations." In the email for this notification Google expressly stated:

>"If [Web & App Activity and Search Personalization settings] are currently on, these new settings will stay on. If they're off, the new settings will be off."

The email continued on to say that these changes would be coming "in the next coming days."

Well...me being me, and having a near rabid mistrust of companies immediately went into my Google Account to ensure the settings were off and I'm sure that you can guess what happened. The settings not only had already changed prior to the email notification (and not the coming days as stated), but I was also opted into these settings, when for years I have opted out of them.

I. Was. Pissed. I immediately opted out (something I never should have been opted into) and let sleeping dogs lie. After a week this topic was brought up on a Discord I'm in and that's when I looked at what data had been pulled and noticed that applications like Phone, Messages, Signal, Terminal, and others had been included in the most recent information sent to to Google.

Before the settings change, almost no data had been transferred, 0 bytes received, less than 300 bytes transmitted. From June 9th to June 17th, hundreds of thousands of bytes. Now, I'm not a person that puts stock into coincidences, and of course, correlation does not equal causation, but something was off.

Late June my phone was stolen so I ordered a new one as a stop gap while I decided if I wanted the Fold 8 or the Razr Fold to replace my Fold 7 and it arrived the next day. Since I just setup the phone, I pulled the phone's files again and the amount transferred had increased even more. This was a new phone, with less applications installed and not even 20 days after I ensured that I was opted out of the new privacy settings. This was my tipping point and I began drafting my documents and gathering my evidence and logs.

(A quick time out and let me make something clear here: I do not know exactly what data was transmitted. That's actually what I told the court. The server-side content and destination are Google's records, not mine. In my rider to the lead document, I wrote the following:

>Because the precise content and ultimate destination of the data reflected in Exhibit H is recorded on, and known only to, Defendant's own servers and infrastructure, Plaintiff respectfully requests that this Court direct Defendant to produce records sufficient to identify the destination, content, and purpose of the network transmissions reflected in Exhibits H and M occurring on and after June 9, 2026.

OK, Time In)

Where I live, we have ridiculously strong consumer protection laws, including one under which plaintiffs are eligible for the cost of the violation or a large amount per violation, whichever is greater. So with multiple dates that it seems this has been an issue I filed for the maximum amount allowed under small claims. Since I'm just an average person, it took me multiple tries to get the correct paperwork submitted, but the paperwork was finally accepted, Google was officially served, and the case was scheduled.

Fast forward and Google requests to postpone the hearing another 45+ days in order to research and "contact the Plaintiff" (spoiler alert: they never did). This was not acted upon by the court and no communication had been sent by Google to either me or the court during this period. But then six minutes before the courts closed for the day and the night before the case was scheduled to be heard Google submitted a motion to dismiss. In their motion Google stated that based on the Terms of Service dated July 30, 2026:

  1. This is not the parties' agreed-upon forum
  2. Google did not violate the consumer protection law or commit unlawful trade practices as Plaintiff does not identify what data was transmitted, the destination of each transmission, or a use prohibited by the cited settings.
  3. Google's Terms of Service limit the company's liability to [paltry small amount].

I responded that night with the following (I'm just going to paste it near-verbatim with small edits for anonymity and flow, apologies):

  • Point 1

>Google has not established that the cited forum-selection clause was in effect at the time relevant to this dispute. Google's own Exhibit A is expressly dated "Effective July 30, 2026;” a date after the conduct alleged in the Complaint, and after the Complaint was filed. Google bears the burden on its own motion to establish that this version of the governing-law clause, rather than whatever version was in effect when Plaintiff's account was created in 2014 or when the conduct at issue occurred, actually applies. It has not done so.

  • Point 2

>Google faults Plaintiff for lacking information that, by Google's own admission, exists only on Google's own servers. Paragraph 14 of the Complaint expressly states that "the precise content and ultimate destination of the data reflected in Exhibit H is recorded on, and known only to, Defendant's own servers and infrastructure," and asks this Court to direct Google to produce records identifying that destination, content, and purpose. Google opposes that very request while simultaneously arguing that Plaintiff's failure to supply the same information warrants dismissal. A defendant may not convert its own informational advantage into a pleading deficiency for the plaintiff.

  • Point 3

>As with the forum clause, Google relies on a Terms of Service exhibit effective July 30, 2026, without establishing that this version, or this cap, applied to conduct occurring [previously].

>The private right of action provides an independent statutory remedy: a prevailing consumer is entitled to "[t]reble damages, or substantial amount per violation, whichever is greater," plus reasonable attorney's fees and punitive damages. This is a legislatively created remedy, not a contractual one, and a merchant's own form contract cannot be used to override a statutory consumer remedy.

I then further continued in my response:

>In any event, the Complaint is not conclusory. It identifies specific system packages (com.google.android.as and com.google.android.as.oss), named background services ("EchoJobService," "HeartbeatService," "AstreaGrpcService"), specific timestamps, and byte-level network transmission logs. Most significantly, the Complaint alleges that the same background operation recurred approximately forty minutes after Plaintiff disabled the relevant setting, and that the pattern repeated over the following eight days and was independently corroborated on a second device. Google's motion does not address this sequence.

>This pattern is consistent with conduct Google has previously resolved through state consumer-protection enforcement, including in this jurisdiction. Between 2022 and 2023, Google settled a series of state actions alleging that account settings displayed as "off" while the underlying tracking or personalization continued: (chart of six relevant settlements totaling over $600M in the US, as well as other fines worldwide)

The next day, we log into the court session and I'm ready to go after staying up late going through everything again and again. Google is present, I'm present, and judge is present, but the judge notes that there is a motion to dismiss, opposition to the motion to dismiss, and a request for a continuance. The judge says no to the continuance; however, because the judge was not prepared to rule on the motion to dismiss that came in the night before and has not had an opportunity to review the motion or the plaintiff's (my) opposition to the motion there is now another hearing on this set for the future.

I'm quite surprised that Google has fought this much on a small claims case that would have just been under the radar and never known until they started playing lawyer-ball, and in the words of Hank Hill, "don't play lawyer-ball, son."

I'll update if people are interested but wanted to share my story...

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u/FuryOfArcann — 2 days ago
▲ 95 r/degoogle+1 crossposts

We’re rolling out the advanced flow for installing apps from unverified developers

Hi everyone,

Today we are rolling out the first version of the advanced flow. The advanced flow gives power users the option to install unregistered apps (i.e. apps from developers who choose not to verify their identity) on certified Android devices without the use of ADB.

As a brief recap, Android will require all apps to be registered by verified developers in order for users to install them on certified Android devices. Developer verification links real-world entities with their Android applications, making it much harder for malicious actors to quickly distribute more harmful apps after we take the first one down.

Since verification launched in March, millions of apps have been registered already, covering nearly all installs on Google Play and a large majority of installs from outside of Google Play. Thus, most users’ experience of installing Android apps will not change at all. However, we recognize that some developers are choosing not to undergo verification and that some power users want the option to install apps from these developers, so we’re rolling out the first version of the advanced flow to provide this additional option.

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When will Android developer verification be enforced?

We will initially verify app installations from Google Play, HONOR App Market, OPPO App Market, Galaxy Store, Palm Store, V-Appstore, and GetApps starting September 30, 2026 for users of certified Android devices in Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand. In 2027, we will expand verification globally for all app installations on certified Android devices.

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Ahead of the enforcement of developer verification, we’re rolling out the first version of the advanced flow so power users can choose to enable it early ahead of general availability. We’re still working to polish it, so please share your feedback with us! 

Enabling the advanced flow for installing apps from unverified developers

Note: The advanced flow is:

  • NOT required for installing registered apps from app stores.
  • NOT required for installing registered apps through alternative sources, such as websites, messaging apps, or file hosting services.
  • NOT required for installing apps from developers using limited distribution accounts.
  • NOT required for installing apps using ADB.
  • ONLY needed to install unregistered apps (i.e., apps from developers who choose not to verify their identity) without the use of ADB.

Important: Enabling the advanced flow is a one-time process that will take 24 hours to complete and includes safeguards to help ensure you are not being coerced or pressured into turning off protections.

  1. Open Developer Options and locate “Apps from unverified developers.”
  2. On this page, you will find the “Allow apps from unverified developers” toggle. (Note: To protect against malicious apps automating this flow without your knowledge, Android will ask for your screen lock to confirm it’s you.
  3. Android will ask whether someone is asking you to turn on this setting. Read the warning before continuing. (Note: This warning exists to inform users that legitimate employees of government agencies, law enforcement agencies, banks, or other businesses will never ask them to turn on this setting in order to install an app.) 
  4. Restart your phone to start the one-time, 24-hour waiting period. (Note: This step defends users from social engineering and coaching scams. The restart cuts off any remote access or active phone calls a scammer might be using to watch what you’re doing. The 24-hour waiting period prevents fraudsters from pressuring victims into making immediate security changes while on a live call and gives users time to verify the request independently. ) 
  5. After 24 hours, return to the “Apps from unverified developers” page to continue setup.
  6. Finally, choose whether you want to turn the setting on for 7 days or indefinitely.

 

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After enabling the advanced flow, you will have the option to install or update apps from unverified developers. You’ll still see a warning when you try to install or update an app from an unverified developer, but you can just tap “Install anyway.”

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If for whatever reason you need to temporarily disable the advanced flow, you have a 10-minute window to re-enable it without going through the 24-hour waiting period again.

Frequently asked questions about the advanced flow

  • Are ADB installs impacted by the 24-hour waiting period for advanced flow? 
    • Apps installed via ADB won't require Android developer verification. The waiting period does not apply to ADB installs.
  • Do I need to keep Developer Mode on to keep this verification turned off? Some apps (e.g. banking, etc.) won't let me use it if I have Developer Mode on. 
    • No, you don't have to keep developer options enabled after you enable the advanced flow. Once you make the change on your device, it's enabled.
  • Can I still use independent app stores?
    • Yes. You can continue to use any alternative app store. For apps distributed from verified developers, users won't see a change in their download experience at all. For apps distributed from unverified developers, users can enable advanced flow with a one-time setup.
  • Can I update unregistered apps if I disable the advanced flow? 
    • Unregistered apps can only be installed or updated when the advanced flow is enabled or by using ADB so if the advanced flow is disabled updates to unregistered apps will fail.
  • Can I update existing unregistered apps on my device without the use of the advanced flow and/or ADB? 
    • No. Unregistered apps can only be installed or updated when the advanced flow is enabled or by using ADB so if the advanced flow is disabled updates to unregistered apps will fail.
  • I can’t find the advanced flow setting. When will I get it?
    • Advanced flow is rolling out gradually, so not all users will see it immediately. As part of this, a new system service called Android Developer Verifier will be installed on your device. You can manually install from this Play Store page which may help you see the feature sooner
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u/I-Am-Sir — 2 days ago
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Wtf google are you kidding with me

Literally, the protection is turned off, yet it's still deleting WhatsApp, and it's the official version. but from apkmirror and i tried apkpure etc

u/DryWeek9242 — 2 days ago
▲ 6 r/degoogle+2 crossposts

Just in case someone needs it

Collection calls from CIMB / GLoan representatives might come from the following numbers.

Why you might need it and why its on this subreddit: Philippine loan apps on android gather contacts from phone unprompted so it is impossible for family members not to hear from collectors on small loans as small as 5 USD.

A lot go to collections even after you pay them.

Numbers:

09285139046

09480255979

09681457288

09480557683

09197193059

09171630148

09171246076

09687570419

09190726560

09489279174

09473106494

Tags: CIMB, GLOAN, 300% Interest Loans, Philippines, Harrasment

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u/IsopodPatient9523 — 1 day ago

Samsung One UI prevents disabling Google Play Services. Using Canta + Shizuku to debloat

I disabled all Google apps, but the 'Disable' button for Play Services is greyed out on my device. Device admin settings didn't free it up, so I'm using Canta with Shizuku ADB I hate Google

u/RealNewgrounds_Fan2 — 2 days ago