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Answering complaint as FY1

I’m going to try and give context whilst remaining as vague as possible so not to be identifiable. I am an FY1 who has received a complaint about care I gave to a patient in a specific department on a specific day. patient is a regular attender to said department due to functional condition and regular need for analgesia. concerns have been raised about a certain class of medication that is requested by pt and has been prescribed on multiple times against an agreed prior consultant level care plan for when patient presents to hospital. Patient arrives and requests this medication and on call team who don’t know pt prescribe it, and day team are left to try and fix this with much resistance from patient who doesn’t feel able to come off it, apparently this has happened for a number of months and years.

I was given a job on said day of liasing with specialist team and was instructed to take away prescription for drug X and prescribe oral TTO. It was anticipated that patient would not be happy and I was strongly encouraged to remain firm in my decision and document clearly. This was under instruction of admitting consultant and specialist team who made the previously mentioned care plan (team has documented in notes their instructions). Patient was very angry about drug X being taken away despite me explaining I can only do what my seniors instructed. There was much shouting from patient. In the end I had to call my consultant again and the consultant gave instructions to allow patient to remain on drug X a further 12 hours - I documented this and I went home. Pt came off it 12 hours later and walked out the hospital as soon as it came down- we had to post out DC paperwork and I didn’t see them again.

Patient has sent a multi page complaint about me that day specifically and how I attempted to take away drug X on that day and made various complaints about my manner, said that I obviously personally wanted to remove the drug, that I’m cruel and was basically I am a massive arse that shouldn’t be a doctor. They have used the fact that the consultant allowed a further 12 hours as evidence that I was overly harsh and that more senior doctors clearly feel that drug X was necessary and I was attempting to deprive them of appropriate analgesia.
This complaint has been forwarded to me by consultant who has told the complaints team the clinician involved (me) will answer to it and make a statement. Seniors involved have reassured me saying my documentation is completely sound, I was quite literally doing what I was told, and nurses involved are able to recall the day and my bedside manner. Similarly the specialist teams have documented the plan they asked me to enact. I have also never had anything but positive feedback.

Friends however have raised concerns that I am being asked to answer to this complaint as an FY1 doctor and normally the consultant should answer to complaints. More so that this is a very well known patient to the team and the issue of requests for drug X is one that the department/trust as a whole are trying to address at a very senior level, well above my pay grade. I do feel a little as though I’ve been thrown under the bus. The patient is extremely complex and I was literally acting out my orders from higher ups and am a very small piece of an incredibly long timeline. I have a statement ready, I’m able to answer to the entirety of the complaint backed up by documentation I and others made that day, put friends have urged me not to respond and that seniors should be dealing with this on my behalf

What makes me a little uneasy additionally is senior nurses that know this patient well have advised I speak to BMA/ MDU early. They have also told me to check all my social media’s are not findable.
Should I answer to this complaint or should it be my consultant? Should I be having more support from my seniors?

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u/Western_Cod8208 — 13 hours ago

What "small wins" can/should we focus on, now that pay is on the backburner?

I'm sure it comes as no surprise that there are MANY issues with being a dr in arr NHS. Pay and training competition are of course the two biggest, but we've effectively agreed to put these on the back burner for the time being. And no, that's not the outcome I wanted but I see no point in dwelling on that now.

I would imagine DV probably need to review their priorities as well - I don't think there's any momentum left for resuscitating the pay campaign.

So my question is as per the title - what issues should we, as a profession, take on next? And how could we go about it?

I suppose any issue that wouldn't need further strike action to resolve would be ideal (but equally know the govt would have no incentive to fix anything without the threat...). Having said that, only half a year ago, strike turnout numbers were really encouraging

Or should I just stop smoking this copium/hopium and keep my head down?

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u/GeneralMaldCouncil — 15 hours ago

what’s with all the USA posts today

I have seen so many posts today about USA!

This used to be an unpopular place to move over

I for one tink the training is clearly far superior and the residency hours aren’t as bad as they’re made out but I probably won’t go over for family reasons

What’s the reason you think this is becoming more popular, and can we also shed some light on UK medicine and what’s good here

Part of the deep dissatisfaction comes from constant comparison

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u/SHARRKO — 18 hours ago

Practising in the UK after US

Bit of a unique situation but figured I'd give it a shot here. About 20 years ago, I left the UK midway through my second year to do neurology residency in America. Fast-forward to now, I've enjoyed my time in the US, have become a dual citizen, and am lucky to be financially independent, with enough passive income that work is something I do by choice rather than necessity. Some of my former co-residents have already retired or reduced their hours to pursue other ventures.

I'm back visiting family right now and my partner and I were just discussing possibly moving back in the next few years. The main reason would be that our parents have maybe one good decade left, being retired but still physically and mentally healthy enough to spend quality time together, travel, and make memories. While the things happening in the US are not the primary reason, I would be lying to say it is not a consideration at all.

Although we would be fine to stop working from a financial perspective, I don't think I'm ready to stop working altogether yet because I thinking I would be bored sitting at home all day. I understand the NHS is a shitshow and I wouldn't be looking for a full-time consultant job (which I understand are hard to get nowadays anyway), but I'd like to keep doing some clinics or some inpatient service, either on a part-time or a locums basis, to keep my skills up and as I do find working with patients quite gratifying. If anyone has trained in the US and come back, how did you find the CESR process to get your training recognised? I anticipate the main snag will be that unlike most UK neurologists I am not dual-certified in internal medicine--any way around this that people are aware of?

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u/ParkingFoundation468 — 20 hours ago

Foundation year experiences

Hi,

How is everyone feeling for their upcoming FY doctor jobs soon? And those who are finishing FY or are going into FY2, what were your best/happiest moments? Anything you struggled with and you wish you knew before?

P.S pls be positive but if there are negative experience feel free to share those too

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u/SmartMessage710 — 15 hours ago

How much do you actually get paid with On calls?

Hey, new FY2 about to start in August.

Just received my work contract from my trust and had a question, mainly for registrars/ core trainees.

Base pay on the work contract is ~£46,000 but with on calls/weekends/nights, its ~£59,289. Quite similar in all my 3 rotations, a bit higher for my surgical rotation (more on calls).

Those in CST2, ST3-ST8, how much is your actual salary with on calls, weekends etc?

On the BMA Pay scale it says base salary for ST6 is 73,992. But how much is it post additional hours?

Thank you for any insight, just curious.

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u/blahblah420691 — 17 hours ago

Post F2 advice re:MSRA prep

About to finish F2. Will apply for radiology & GP mext year. Didn’t apply for this year’s round. Got an offer for an ED JCF, but at the same time i want to commit studying for msra as I want a high score (my priority). Financially could afford to take time out. What would you guys do in my position? Take the JCF or focus solely on the MSRA?

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u/Dry-Battle7407 — 16 hours ago

Help me- Student loan arrears

UK doctor in australia

Been trying to get out of arrears and organising a payment plan with SLC for a few years now. I had a payment set up when i first moved and i fell behind a month once and since went into arrears.

I have had a comical amount of calls / emails to SLC since then trying to organise a payment plan and the emails back are so slow/ unhelpful and often ask for a myriad of evidences that I won’t have ie contract starts, finishes, extensions, proof of unemployment when i have breaks.

Occasionally, a different person emails back without having checked the lengthy amount of attachments I will have sent through in the correspondence, further delaying the process.

Everytime i get back to them with a new piece of evidence that they’ve asked for it often is a few months before they get back to me.

It doesn’t help that I have a colourful CV with lots of moves and locums interstate.

I’m genuinely starting to feel quite anxious at the arrear burden, what this is doing to my interest and most of all the fact that I have been unable to chip away at this loan due to little fault of my own.

I have asked to make a complaint but haven’t heard back since. It feels - bit ridiculous - I am trying to give them my money but unable to.

has anyone been in a similar situation before, what are the legal implications, should I getting financial counsel from somewhere?

If anyone grown up has any advice for me i would really appreciate it

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u/stargazer9655 — 18 hours ago
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We are being cheated out of AL and no one seems to care or realise !!

Why do we not receive pro rata additional AL for the overtime that is in our contracts, that we have no option over, like others in the UK and NHS (agenda for change contracts).
In the same vein, how is it fair that an 80% trainee working 38 hours / week average only gets 80% of 27 days AL?
From my understanding, all other UK workers have their AL calculated based on a 38 hour average working week, whereas ours is based on whatever our average contracted hours are (mine are 48!!)
Why are we all being cheated out of our very well earned time off?? I can’t work out why no one else seems to feel hard done by this!!

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u/ComparisonLanky7491 — 1 day ago
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What do midwives have to gain from delaying women from having epidurals?

Just a little rant

Felt pretty bad for a few cases recently where women was convinced by the midwives to not have epidural, then wanted it last minute when they're like 8-9cm dilated.
By the time epidural is sited they were all fully and pushing, gaining minimal benefits after being in pain for hours.
Seeing them all the day after, they all told me that they were convinced by midwives to carry on.

What do they even have to gain from not letting women have their pain relieves?

If I were them I'd be happy to have comfortable patients who are no longer screaming every 2 minutes...
Does it help to keep them awake during a night shift?

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u/VeigarTheWhiteXD — 1 day ago
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Differences between UK and US - IM intern

New internal med intern in the US.

Holy fuck is it different. I arrive at 5.45am, round on my 10 patients and develop plans etc. Take nights handover at 6.30. I start prepping documentation and the attending arrives at 8.30am. While that sounds like a ton of time, it's actually completely used up as I am presenting these patients to my attending as if I'm their attending. Everything needs to be accounted for and at least mentioned.

Present the patient outside their room, then we walk in and the attending examines, then proceeds to ask me a myriad of questions as he sees fit. E.g had HF exacerbation patient w/ pulm nodules + hypercalcemia. Asks me to list as many causes of Hyper Ca2+ as I can, we proceed to discuss Vit D metab and also zollinger ellison. Then i'm questioned on what I should be concerned for post lung biopsy and what exactly I would do to. PGY2/3 puts in the orders etc while I'm being quizzed.

This doesn't just apply to your 10 patients, you may be quizzed about the other interns patients - although less detail.

Rounds take 4-5 hours, grab FREE unlimited high quality lunch. Go write your single note for the day for each patient, those this is a massive note but largely copy + pasted, finish anything not done by the PGY2/3. See all patients again, report imaging issues/update patients. Paper round around 3pm, usually everything is now done and someone can go home while the other 2 stay till 6.30pm for night handover.

This is roughly the day to day, it's a lot less 'work' than the UK but goddam it's like pure pressure as you have to cover absolutely everything and you're being quizzed on effectively everything - including surgery. My entire day is centered around me learning and it's clear that my actual role is to just learn.

These Attendings are absolutely excellent I have to add, jesus their knowledge is miles ahead of some of the ones I worked with in the UK. Also to address the 'what do specialists actually do question'; in the US specialists only use their skills which are unique to them.

TLDR: US is pure learning, UK is doing the job.

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u/neurosci11 — 1 day ago

Failed recent shortlisting for a 2-year MSc SHO post and 30 other SHO jobs in T&O despite MRCS. What actually do they want, and what to do now as my current contract is ending soon?

To hive mind,

I'm currently a F4, Contract is ending in the next couple of months. I have MRCS and what I thought was a decent CV with some ortho experience, audits, and teaching. I recently applied to a 2-year MSc SHO programme at a London Trust and failed shortlisting, which I really had very high hopes on and life is feeling hopeless and I can't even sleep.

I have two questions for anyone who has gone through this:

  1. What is actually expected to get shortlisted for these 2-year MSc SHO posts? I meet the essential criteria on paper, but am I missing something ? Is it down to how the squpporting statement is structured against the person specification? Do I need more specific ortho SHO time, logbook numbers, or post-MRCS experience to be competitive? Any insight would be really helpful.

  2. What are my realistic options with my contract ending? I want to stick with orthopaedics, but haven't got any leads despite applying extensively from last 3 Months and about 40 ortho jobs at f2 and jcf level.. Has anyone else been in this position?

I know the job market is brutal right now, Any honest advice on what I should prioritise in the next 4-8 weeks to stay in the game would be massively appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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Formal attire women

Wanting to switch into wearing more formals to work, female doctors where are we getting work appropriate clothes/shoes/bags that are cute and quality but within a decent price range and comfy?

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u/medimediab — 1 day ago

Healthcare leadership course

Not sure if this query is for this group please direct me elsewhere if better.
I am a consultant and currently in a clinical director role in my trust with despite usual struggles seem to be enjoying it and making some positive impact. If management is something I wish to pursue further would love to hear from others .. where to go next…. ? Would a healthcare MBA be a good option? Or something else? The reason I ask is I can’t seem to get any direction from my trusts education/ leadership team from a mentoring perspective for this purpose.
Thanks

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u/youyou1250 — 19 hours ago

IMT LTFT Extension Timing Query

Hello!

I am going 80% LTFT starting IMT this August. Have been told the extension will be at the end of my training (i.e all in IMT 3) rather than an extension to each year. Waiting to hear back but wondering if this is standard - I worry this means I will need to complete 100 % of portfolio for each year which feels more difficult working reduced hours. I am in absolutely no rush to complete training early and have gone LTFT for health reasons so the idea of having to meet the same competencies feels a bit of a stress. I can also see the benefit of not going out of sync until later in my training and moving up the pay scales so looking for anyone in the same situation to advise.

Thanks!!

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u/Alternative_List_175 — 19 hours ago

Incoming FY1 and ANP prescriptions: advice please!

About to start as an FY1 in a T+O department in the next few weeks which is staffed by ANPs exclusively overnight and during the day alongside the medical team. I am aware some ANPs have prescribing rights but was wondering what I should do if asked to prescribe- I am leaning towards following the BMA guidance of declining. Just anxious as I don't want to create more work for my other FY1 colleagues who will invariably pick up the slack. I'm also worried as I don't think Im the most prepared person for FY and worried this might cause issues which will mean the department is less friendly and more critical while I'm learning, and obviously know less about the current department than the ANPs at present.

Thank you in advance!

Edit: thanks everyone for your replies so far, it's been helpful :)

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UK consultants going directly to US

What's the deal with all the new US attendings going

directly from the UK without US training? In the last year or so, I've seen dozens of UK consultant surgeons in their 40s and 50s (usually big shot surgeons like Cardiothoracic transplant, neurosurgery...) become employed as attendings in the US seemingly without residency or Fellowship training in the US.

Not that long ago, this would've been impossible - what has happened to bring about this change?

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u/PeaDense164 — 2 days ago