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Brazil's EV boom is exposing a bigger problem for legacy automakers: retail sales, pricing and outdated entry-level cars

I've been following the transformation of our automotive market, particularly the difference between retail sales to individual consumers and direct sales to fleets, rental companies and other eligible buyers.

I think Brazil offers an interesting case study of what happens when affordable electric vehicles begin competing directly with traditional gasoline-powered cars.

  1. BYD is challenging traditional automakers where it matters: individual retail customers.

According to September 2026 registration figures, the BYD Dolphin Mini recorded 9,385 registrations, including 5,886 retail sales to individual consumers — approximately 63% of its total.

Compare that with the Chevrolet Onix hatchback, which registered 7,133 units, of which 3,961 — approximately 56% — came through direct sales.

In other words, the Dolphin Mini sold considerably more units through conventional retail channels than the Onix, despite being a fully electric vehicle competing against one of Brazil's most established gasoline-powered hatchbacks.

The distinction matters because overall registration rankings can hide how dependent some manufacturers have become on fleet and direct-sales channels.

I'm not suggesting fleet sales are illegitimate. They are an important part of the industry. But strong fleet demand isn't necessarily the same thing as strong demand from individual buyers.

And this isn't limited to BYD. GWM, Geely, GAC, Omoda & Jaecoo and other newer manufacturers are increasing competition across different segments.

  1. Toyota and Honda show that brand reputation alone isn't enough.

Toyota has historically enjoyed a particularly strong reputation in Brazil for reliability, durability and resale value.

However, its market position has come under pressure.

There is an important qualification: Toyota's Brazilian production was severely disrupted by storm damage to its Porto Feliz engine plant in 2025. That affected vehicle availability and contributed to its sales difficulties.

But production problems aren't the entire story.

Toyota has also faced pressure to offer more competitive commercial conditions. Its dealership network has reportedly introduced substantial trade-in bonuses, including discounts worth tens of thousands of reais on models such as the Hilux and SW4.

The SW4 is a particularly interesting example. Depending on the version, this body-on-frame SUV can cost the equivalent of roughly US$70,000–80,000 in Brazil.

At those prices, even established Toyota customers may reconsider their purchases.

Honda has a different problem.

The Civic, once a relatively mainstream sedan in Brazil, is now positioned as an expensive imported hybrid. Honda's lineup also includes the City, WR-V, HR-V and ZR-V, with several models concentrated in overlapping price and SUV segments.

These are manufacturer decisions about product positioning and pricing. They shouldn't automatically be interpreted as Brazilian consumers losing interest in cars.

  1. Chevrolet's Spin reveals another opportunity: affordable electric MPVs.

One of the more unusual vehicles still sold in Brazil is the Chevrolet Spin.

It's a relatively affordable five- or seven-seat MPV, powered by a traditional 1.8-liter naturally aspirated gasoline/flex-fuel engine.

The Spin remains relevant among taxi drivers, families, customers with disabilities and other buyers who prioritize interior space, predictable maintenance and practicality.

In September 2026, approximately 84% of its registrations came through direct sales.

Citroën attempted to compete for some of these customers with the seven-seat C3 Aircross, using a smaller 1.0-liter turbocharged three-cylinder engine.

But the Aircross hasn't achieved the same level of market acceptance.

Some buyers in this category remain skeptical of engine downsizing, particularly when they expect to carry several passengers and luggage regularly. That doesn't necessarily mean small turbo engines are unreliable, but customer confidence matters.

What interests me is that the Spin's basic concept could work very well as an affordable electric MPV.

An EV platform could provide a long wheelbase, a relatively flat floor and efficient packaging without requiring an enormous premium SUV.

The Kia Carens Clavis EV in India is an interesting example of a seven-seat electric family vehicle developed for a price-sensitive market.

Why shouldn't Brazilian consumers have more affordable electric family vehicles rather than being pushed toward increasingly expensive SUVs?

  1. Citroën should become Stellantis' affordable electrification brand in Brazil.

This is my own proposal, not an announced Stellantis strategy.

Citroën currently competes in Brazil with models such as the C3, Aircross and Basalt, but the brand has struggled to achieve significant sales volumes.

Meanwhile, Fiat, Peugeot, Jeep and Citroën often compete for overlapping groups of customers, sometimes using related platforms and powertrains.

I think Stellantis could give Citroën a much clearer role.

Fiat could remain focused on high-volume mainstream cars, pickup trucks and flex-fuel hybrids.

Peugeot could continue with conventional passenger cars and more premium compact models.

Jeep could concentrate on SUVs and electrified powertrains.

And Citroën could specialize in affordable BEVs, practical electric family vehicles and compact electric MPVs.

Of course, Stellantis already has Leapmotor, so any such strategy would require coordination between brands. I don't think simply rebadging the same Chinese EV under several names would solve the underlying problem.

The objective should be affordable electric mobility adapted to Brazilian needs, potentially including local manufacturing and a strong service network.

  1. This isn't about supporting China. It's about competition.

I don't think Chinese manufacturers are automatically superior, and I certainly don't believe Brazil should become dependent on imported vehicles.

I support domestic industrial development, local production, engineering investment and meaningful competition.

But protecting traditional manufacturers from competition is not the same thing as encouraging them to develop better products.

Brazilian consumers are increasingly comparing equipment, automatic transmissions, energy costs, technology, warranties and purchase prices rather than choosing a vehicle solely because of its badge.

Traditional dealership groups are also expanding into Chinese automotive franchises, demonstrating that the competitive landscape is changing beyond vehicle sales alone.

I believe legacy manufacturers need to rethink their entry-level offerings instead of relying excessively on brand loyalty, increasingly expensive combustion vehicles and fleet registrations.

My question to this subreddit is: should established automakers reposition some of their struggling mainstream brands around affordable EVs and electric family vehicles, rather than continuing to sell similar combustion-powered models across several brands?

And do you think the Brazilian market could offer useful lessons for Europe and North America, even though their regulatory and economic conditions are different?

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u/joebraga2 — 4 days ago
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Electric big rigs struggle to compete, even with diesel at $8 a gallon | WSJ via MSN

“Truckers in California are asking the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach to subsidize the high costs of owning and operating zero-emission big rigs. Drivers of electric-powered rigs say they can’t compete with diesel-powered rivals even as fuel prices surge to record highs. 

The ports are considering paying truckers $60 each time they pick up or drop off containers with a zero-emission vehicle, up to a maximum $36,000 per truck per year, over the next three years. The boards of the two ports are expected to vote on the proposal in the coming months.”

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u/Finnegan_Faux — 6 days ago
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Help from US based Subaru or Toyota EV owners?

I'm working on a safe lifting guide (will upload here!) for the Subaru and Toyota e-TNGA vehicles. The battery packs in the US and Canada versions are not the same, and I believe this impacts the "safe" lifting area under the car. If you own or have access to a 2026 or later US based Subaru or Toyota EV, I'm looking for you to post a pic like mine with a tape measure in the frame. This is the rear hoist point as highlighted in that second pic I uploaded to this post. Note the black arrow embossed into the plastic cladding..about a foot forward from the rear tire. You can just put your phone into selfie mode on the ground to take the pic :-). I think the US and CAD battery pack differ in size and therefore also the “safe” footprint for lifting the vehicle. Your help with a quick pic and post is greatly appreciated!

EDIT: so yes, the US spec e-TNGA cars look to be using a narrower battery. This means the US spec cars have a wider extrusion left/rigth on the HV battery. This also means it should also be easier to use 4 1/2" to 5" pads on a hoist to damaging cladding and the battery shielding. The CAD spec cars have about 2 1/4" of clear space, and the US models, around 5". Thanks to u/meebs555 for posting the pic from his 26 Solterra. It's here in the thread.

u/Big-Strawberry-8637 — 6 days ago

Used EVs are the 3% mortgages of 2020

A family member just paid $30k for a jeep. I paid $35k for an EV9 - which feels very expensive.

However, over the next decade my car should cost significantly less than hers.

My prediction: EVs will become far more common but more expensive as demand, inflation, supply chain issues all increase. I genuinely believe in 5 years people will wonder why everyone didn’t buy a used EV in 2026. It will be just like mortgages in 2020 - why didn’t everyone refinance? Because the timing wasn’t right, they wanted to see if they got cheaper, there’s no way they’ll go up etc.

It will be very similar for EVs, the excuses from today will seem quaint when a small, basic EV is $50k new.

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u/CelerMortis — 9 days ago
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Maximizing Efficiency in New Toyota CHR SE

Recently traded in my almost new, reasonably efficient crossover SUV for the CHR SE. I didn't like the emissions, and I don't like buying gas, so it made sense for me. I'm very fond of the new ride.

I drive nearly 100 miles a day, almost all freeway, some rural highway. Three stoplights near my workplace, other than that it's cruise control.

I like to think of myself as having the soul of a hypermiler without the obsessiveness and willingness to piss everyone off around me, so I keep the cruise control pretty consistent around the speed limit. I'm doing pretty well, with most trips at 4.2 mi/kwh.

A few questions about maximizing efficiency (without driving myself or others crazy):

  1. General hints? Best practices?

  2. Regen in particular--I set it to its lowest level when cruising to maximize costing, which I've read is most efficient. When I know I'll need to slow down, I turn it up to minimize use of my friction brakes. Do I have this right?

  3. Regen again--anyone know of any good links explaining this black magic? I keep thinking I must be wearing down something, but maybe it's actually a free lunch!

Thanks!

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u/DopplegangerPrime227 — 11 days ago