Hi guys, i have invested in these two shares however I’m just scared if they have any future? The Hindustan copper share went down from 606 to 556 and there’s no real reason the company seems to be expanding their work and same for railtel it went doe down from 340 to 320.

Should I hold these or sell them?

Indian market is crazy bro, damn upper circuit

TL;DR: PhonePe's core product (UPI) generates almost zero direct revenue - zero MDR is a policy choice, not a temporary inefficiency. The IPO is reportedly largely OFS which means that existing investors are exiting, little to no fresh capital for the company. Valuation already reset from $15B to $9–10.5B as per Reuters. NPCI's 30% market share cap is still live and would force PhonePe to shed a third of its volume if enforced. The monetization story is real but still evolving.

Been digging deep into the PhonePe IPO and I think most discussions are missing the actual core issue.

Everyone focuses on the scale:

• 700M+ registered users
• 50M+ registered merchants
• 47 - 48% UPI market share
• Walmart backing
• Potential $9–15B IPO valuation

But the most important fact is this: the core product generates almost no direct revenue.

UPI operates under zero MDR. That's a policy choice, not a temporary market inefficiency.

So every transaction PhonePe processes increases:

• habit
• engagement
• merchant reach
• infrastructure relevance

…but not necessarily earnings.

The most-used product is also the least monetiszable one.

That's not a bug in the business model. That's the architecture.

The framing most people get wrong

Most fintech IPOs ask: "Can this company grow fast enough?"

PhonePe asks a different question: "Can a company that already became infrastructure convert that position into durable monetization?"

PhonePe has already solved distribution, trust, scale, and frequency.

What it hasn't fully solved yet is monetization at the scale its user base implies.

That's why the valuation debate became much more complicated between late 2025 and early 2026.

The numbers

Metric	Detail
FY24 Operating Revenue	₹5,064 Cr
FY25 Operating Revenue	₹7,115 Cr
FY25 Net Loss	₹1,727 Cr
FY25 Adjusted Profit (ex-ESOP)	₹630 Cr
Last Private Valuation	$14.5B (Oct 2025)
Jan 2026 IPO Expectation	$15B
Reuters reported (Mar 2026)	$9–10.5B

Revenue growing 40% YoY. Losses narrowing. ESOP-adjusted, the business turned profitable in FY25 for the first time. Direction is improving. But the path to fully reported profitability is still long.

The IPO twist most retail coverage completely missed

Early reporting assumed PhonePe would raise fresh capital through a standard IPO structure.

That's reportedly not what's happening.

January 2026 reports suggested the IPO may largely be an OFS (Offer For Sale):

• Walmart reduces stake (~9%)
• Tiger Global exits fully
• Microsoft exits fully
• Little to no fresh capital goes into PhonePe itself

That changes the interpretation significantly.

A fresh issue funds growth. An OFS primarily provides liquidity to existing investors.

So the question is no longer: "Will this IPO help PhonePe expand?"

It becomes: "Is the exit price fair for the business as it exists today?"

That's a very different underwriting conversation.

The Walmart overhang nobody is talking about

Tiger Global and Microsoft reportedly exiting fully actually simplifies things.

Walmart is more complicated.

Even after dilution, Walmart may still retain ~63% ownership post listing.

Public markets won't just price what's being sold now. They'll also price the possibility of future sell downs.

Institutional investors will care a lot about lock-in structure, future secondary sales, and long term ownership intent.

That overhang matters more than most retail discussions acknowledge.

How PhonePe actually plans to make money

Not from UPI directly. UPI is the distribution layer. The monetization thesis sits underneath it.

Insurance
Probably the most mature vertical. Commission income on premium. Natural fit for a high-frequency payments platform.

Lending
Highest-margin business - personal loans, merchant loans, BNPL. Also the most regulated. RBI scrutiny around digital lending has already tightened fintech economics materially.

Wealth and broking
PhonePe is directly competing with Groww, Zerodha, and Upstox through Share.Market, WealthDesk, and OpenQ. Intense competition and relatively thin margins.

Indus Appstore
Long-duration strategic bet. Not meaningful revenue today. But if India's regulatory stance toward app-store concentration tightens further, this becomes a structurally interesting asset over time.

PhonePe-SBI Credit Card
Launched April 2026. Card economics are structurally more monetizable than UPI rails - this matters.

The cross-sell potential is genuinely large.

The problem is conversion visibility.

We still don't have clean data on how effectively PhonePe converts payment users into profitable financial-services customers.

The regulatory risk the market still underestimates

NPCI proposed a 30% cap on UPI market share for any single player.

PhonePe is at 47–48%.

The proposal has been deferred multiple times, most recently to December 2026. It has never been formally withdrawn.

If enforced aggressively, PhonePe may need to shed close to a third of its transaction volume. That directly weakens distribution, engagement, and cross-sell potential - the exact things supporting the financial services monetization thesis.

And this is increasingly becoming competitive, not just regulatory.

April 2026 reports suggested Amazon and Meta were pushing for stronger enforcement around UPI concentration rules - platforms with their own payments ambitions now have direct commercial skin in the game.

The user reach justifying the valuation is inseparable from the dominance a cap would constrain.

The Paytm shadow

Every institutional investor evaluating PhonePe will run some version of the Paytm comparison. Hard to avoid.

Paytm listed at a big premium in November 2021, crashed hard, and the RBI-Paytm Payments Bank crisis in early 2024 fundamentally changed how Indian public markets price fintech scale, regulatory risk, monetization visibility, and profitability timelines.

PhonePe is cleaner strategically, more coherent operationally, and stronger on UPI relevance.

But the market is unlikely to completely remove the fintech regulatory discount. That discount got priced in for a reason.

Where things stand

• Confidential DRHP filed: September 2025
• IPO paused: March 2026 (market conditions cited)
• Revised timeline: not announced

And the valuation conversation already moved materially before a single share traded publicly:

$14.5B private reference → $15B IPO expectation → Reuters reporting $9–10.5B discussions

That's a 40% compression at the starting line.

My take

PhonePe already solved something extremely difficult: distribution at national scale.

700M users. Massive merchant reach. Deep behavioural habit. That's real and not easily replicable.

The unresolved question is whether that distribution converts into durable earnings strong enough to justify a large public market valuation — one that has already reset 40% before listing.

That's what the IPO will ultimately test.

Curious what this sub thinks:

Does PhonePe eventually become a high-margin financial ecosystem built on top of UPI infrastructure?

Or does zero-MDR structurally cap how profitable this model can become?

Not investment advice. Do your own research.

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My problem was not really about picking stocks.

Looking back I see that I lost money for reasons.

These reasons include:

* entering a trade late

* making decisions based on how I felt

* changing my plan in the middle of a trade

* following what is popular instead of doing what I know works

At the time I thought I was making good decisions.

Later did I understand that I was mostly acting on instinct I was not really thinking things through.

The thing that really changed my approach to trading was realizing this.

I am curious to know what mistake made you change the way you trade the most.

What was the mistake that made you think about trading, in a way I mean what was the mistake that changed your approach to trading.

Indian rupee has continued to be Asia's worst performing currency against the US dollar as it hit 96.34 today.

https://indianexpress.com/article/business/as-rupee-stares-at-100-to-a-policymakers-engage-with-a-lesson-from-just-three-years-ago-10694773/

At this rate, the INR is expected to hit 100 by Q4 of 2026. Recent intervention by RBI has failed to contain the currency fallout.

All in all, the indian economy is really struggling hard even compared to other developing economies like Vietnam!

Mine is checking my profit and loss way often after I enter a trade.

When I have a plan I still watch every small change, in the market like it will make a difference.

Most of the time it just makes me feel more emotional and leads to making decisions.

I am curious what habit do other traders struggle to stop doing even after they know it is harmful?

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