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Unpopular opinion: Red Velvet will never be able to top the Cosmic era

Everything about the Cosmic era was perfect. The lyrics, the music video, the fandom unity… I hadn’t seen that since Psycho. We’ll probably never see Red Velvet achieve numbers as good as they did in 2018/2019 again, but even so hope that, i think so

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u/zzadik1el — 3 hours ago

road to kingdom ace of ace (2024) ep 1 thoughts

i watched episode 1 of road to kingdom and i have no one else to talk to with :( anyways i was surprised with episode 1 and it exceeded my expectations because i thought it was gonna be slow paced. i started listening to kpop in 2017 and i been on and off since then. i watch 3 out of the 5 other shows (queendom 2019), (rtk 2020) and (queendom 2022) and i very like this one too.

obviously im older now so i dont remember watching the episodes but watching episode 1 from a almost two year show was pretty entertaining and not boring, i was expecting a lot of filler and boring content. i didnt know any of the groups really so i wasn't expecting much and cringe but their personalities on camera were entertaining and i find myself laughing a few times. i haven't been watching kpop interviews/korean shows really the past six years

the performances were very cool and i cant wait to watch the rest of the show but i hope the show doesnt curse the groups because ATBO already disbanded lol and a member left from TNX

another ramble, i wished CIX appear on this show but i guess they didnt because they were preparing for their comeback (jan 2025) and jinyoung left in august of 2024

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u/unamgnay — 3 hours ago

So kpop and its fan service…and my reaction to that

So, I’m definitely not one of those parasocial fans that like thinks they are actually gonna marry an idol, like I’m definitely grounded in reality lol and I just like to make jokes about and like you know thirst over these celebrities

But um is it wrong for me to say that because I have been dealing with chronic mental health issues since I was a child (I’m now 21) that sometimes just watching specific TikTok’s of like my favorite boygroup like flirting with fans at send offs or in fancalls, or at meet and greets like all that or like being gentlemen whether it’s during interviews or to fans just makes me a little bit happy? Like most days are really rough for me and sometimes that type of content genuinely brings a giggle out of me or a small smile to my face without realizing it

And I’m also single so sometimes it just kind of feeds my imagination of hoping I get a gentleman in a future partner, you know?

But like I’m obviously not thinking I’m gonna marry this man even if the idol is only 23 so you know we’re close in age.

I’m definitely asking for opinions here so please feel free to share, but also please don’t be mean…I’m honest enough to admit I am sensitive.

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u/SaltIncident4932 — 9 hours ago

the problem with ai on the kpop industry is ...

the problem with ai in the kpop industry right now is it is very low quality and it is the kind that anyone with a pc and access to the internet can do.

BUT if ai was done right like in features and tv shows like in hollywood, where you would not know where ai started and cgi ended, no one will be complaining bc no one would know.

when kpop companies start investing in proper ai tools and it becomes seemless, no one complain about it anymore bc the avg kpop fan would not be able to tell. some of the anti-ai ppl would be shocked where ai have been used and they have not complain about it one bit

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u/Serious-Wish4868 — 10 hours ago

Most interesting pre-debut projects in Kpop?

Ive been thinking about Loona a lot lately and while I missed most of the pre-debut era, I thought it was an interesting way to get a group interest before debut. The whole thing was very ambitious and it most definitely paid off, with the following that Loona got afterwards. I liked the way they did solos and sub-units and I really like lore too so in the end I was very invested. It got me thinking about other ways Kpop groups managed their pre-debut eras.

I liked the way Purple Kiss did it as well (Purki deserved so much better...). They had solos and two songs in completely different styles, My Heart Skip a Beat being rock and Can We Talk Again being a poppy ballad. Then their debut having this dark witchy sound. I'm sad we never got full versions of the solos (except Ireh's). It wasn't as extensive as Loona's but showing every member's talent individually was a good idea in my opinion.

Lastly, I liked KQ Fellaz. At first I was thinking it was a dance crew before realising that it was a pre-debut Kpop group. Their dancing was that strong.

I don't know if it's weird but I like it when a company does something interesting to show who a group is and their talent before they make their big debut. I wouldn't call myself a pre-debut fan in general, but these kind of projects are at least interesting to see. I guess it's all about the build up and seeing the pay off.

Edit: Adding tripleS to the list, can't believe I forgot them, it was basically the Loona pre-debut project on steroids. 24 girls was so ambitious and I got into tripleS a bit before it the group was fully completed. It was even more ambitious than Loona but it paid off! Jaden Jeong this madlad said "24 girls? No big deal" and now he's doing it again with idntt.

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u/Moonbunny120 — 11 hours ago

The amount of AI in K-pop music videos now makes me sad

The abysmal amount of ai generated slop in K-pop mvs is honestly such a bummer and it’s gotten to the point where I prefer to watch performance videos instead of mvs because of how frequent it is.

The worst part is that nobody really seems to care anymore. There was definitely quite a bit of push back when ai first started cropping up in K-pop but honestly by this point it’s become so normalised and so common that people have kind of just stopped talking about it as much.

I know South Korea has embraced ai on a massive scale (esp compared to some other places) but honestly I still feel like as international fans we really should push back on it more. I don’t want ai generated content in my K-pop, it is inherently anti art and used cheapen labour costs at the expense real artists. AI art has no soul or value and while I understand it can be a tool I want to see the work of real artists showcasing their human creations and not something spat out by a computer. Maybe I’m preaching to the choir here but it’s honestly so disappointing the scale in which K-pop companies have fully embraced ai. It makes me wonder how many K-pop songs have been written with the help of ai and the thought of that just bums me out even more.

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u/detonatediamond — 18 hours ago

Songs that feel like they were earned by their singers

I stumbled again recently on the Twice's Mamushi remix with Megan Thee Stallion. They don't brag often in their songs, and I don't like bragging songs very much myself, but something in their verse felt so satisfying - by and large because everything was simply true

>All these trophies, we just winnin' up the price
Then we sold out your closet like we did at MetLife (Oh)
Sold out SoFi (Oh), Nissan on fire (Yeah)
One spark, baby, ooh-la-la, that's what we like
We're the originators, global entertainers
Your favorite girl groups sing our song screamin', "TWICE"

Like yes! They did sell out Sofi, Metlife, and Nissan. They are indeed one of the most awarded groups of all time both. We can also probably do an hours-long compilation of their juniors (and even seniors and peers) doing covers of their songs whether as formal performances or just singing them for fun. It's the single most grounded bragging verse I've heard in my life and it feels very earned.

I felt the same way when I watched the I Got You mv for the first time years ago. I like friendship songs in general, but this song in particular hit me like a truck because I very much believe it coming from Twice. The image of them being warm and toasty inside their little boat while a storm ravages them outside is such a perfect image for them.

The lines:

>No, we'll never fall apart (never fall apart)
Even million miles apart (million miles apart)
We were lightning from the start (lightning from the start)
And it keeps me going to know that

>Ooh, no matter what, you got me
I got you and I wouldn't want it any other way
Ooh, no drop of doubt, I know deep down that
We'll make it through (it through)
Just like we always do

is very believable coming from the girls who patiently waited for one of their own to regain her health and held her hand throughout her slow return to the stage. It is believable from the kids who turned up with their youngest squeezed tight in the middle after she was made to apologize for waving her country's flag. The promise that they would get through together as they always have is weighty coming from a girl group who managed to release this song in their year 8 when, during their come up, girl groups weren't even expected to reach year 5. And now they are in year 10, telling people to see them in their 11th anniversary fanmeeting.

Most Kpop songs are not autobiographical and often have very little to do with who or where their singers are at that stage in life. That fact however just makes me love the songs that actually are though. They are little unexpected diamonds.

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u/BlueThePineapple — 17 hours ago

Encores wouldn’t be so “scandalous” if the industry committed to real live singing on music shows

Another day, another group getting flamed for sounding bad during an encore. A round of applause for Hearts2Hearts please.

I’ve seen various opinions on encores across the K-Pop subreddits—most of them saying that the singing in encores shouldn’t matter and that idols should just be allowed to have fun and celebrate their win—but I think these takes lack nuance because they don’t acknowledge why the quality of the singing in encores became such a heated discussion topic in K-Pop fandom in the first place.

The reason is because “live” performances on music shows (Music Bank, Inkigayo) and other platforms (Killing Voice, It’s Live) are not truly “live”. Curious fans who just want to know if a group can actually sing or not have to resort to watching encores because for some strange reason, encores are one of the only places left in K-Pop where we can hear what an idol’s raw, unfiltered vocals actually sound like.

To be specific, when you watch a music show performance, a survival show, an episode of Killing Voice, or go to an idol’s concert, etc. one or more of the following is happening to tune up an idol’s singing:

  1. Lip syncing to the studio recording (this one used to be common but is more rarely used today because it is too easy to identify and it gets you flamed online, so it’s been largely replaced by #2)

  2. Lip syncing to prerecorded vocals

  3. Melodyne/pitch correction

  4. MR so heavy it drowns out the idol’s voice

Even though die-hard fans may cite a Music Bank or a King of Masked Singer performance as evidence that their favs can sing, most people (who’s judgement hasn’t been clouded by fandom goggles) can implicitly hear that these performances have been doctored using one or more of the above techniques.

So this leaves us with encores. Ironically, the fact that encores were considered so unimportant that companies didn’t feel the need to shore up their artists’ vocals in them is what made them become so important that a group’s whole reputation can now be decided by one bad encore performance (looking at you LeSserafim).

In my years of being a K-Pop fan, I’ve personally seen “live” performances get less and less live to the point where the encore really is the only place where you get to hear an idol’s raw live vocals in a stage performance setting. I think it’s a shame because encores are actually not an ideal singing environment. Most of the time, the idols don’t have access to functioning in-ears, the volumes of the microphones are all over the place, a lot of them are emotional over getting a win, and these days there’s a lot of added pressure around sounding good during encores. It’s a perfect storm for disasterclass vocals, and it’s only going to get worse as more and more groups keep getting their encores scrutinized. But also, we have to acknowledge that all these other platforms for supposedly “live” performances aren’t close to being real demonstrations of live singing at all.

My solution is to give idols more opportunities to sing fully live. Especially on shows like It’s Live, there is no reason to pitch correct a performance that doesn’t even have choreography to that extent. The more idols practice singing live without the training wheels, the more comfortable and confident in their vocals they will be. And the more opportunities they have to show off their raw live vocals, the less “weight” there will be on the encore. And of course, fans need to give these idols grace for sounding imperfect!

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u/PinkGuavaFlower — 1 day ago

I sometimes still wonder who Giselle replaced in the final lineup of Aespa.

This is not a hate post at all, I love Giselle and have always thought she is cool and different from your typical idol.

I started listening to VVS a few months ago and if you don’t know, Lena (previously known as Helen) was an SM trainee who joined the company around the same time Giselle did. I started wondering why SM didn’t debut Lena in the group as well because she is a great dancer and rapper. But then I realized SM had a lot more female trainees in 2019/2020 but ended up choosing Giselle who only had 10 months of training. I wonder who was also close to debuting in Aespa but am shocked that Giselle was able to secure the spot after training for such a short time.

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u/sassiesully34 — 1 day ago
▲ 9 r/kpopthoughts+1 crossposts

A little background-I stopped caring about kpop some years back. I was a huge 2nd and 3rd gen stan, my favourite groups at that point were snsd, EXID, CLC, red velvet, exo, some old bts songs and some new twice titles were nice too.

By the time kpop exploded online I got sick of how cultish kpop fandoms were and it distanced me from the genre. Some of the last groups I'd gotten into back then were NCT 127, Loona.

I got back into kpop last year. Over the course of the past year of being into kpop I've really liked a couple groups from the new generations. I think this has been defined by a couple of things-

  1. Band Identity- a story line, concept, music wise and conceptually

  2. Vocal ability

  3. Dance as a performance

  4. Members that feel authentic- the idols don’t feel as controlled and feel free to showcase their personality

  5. Production and arrangement

Since these are all groups I like they'll be rated between three and five stars. Three means good, but can do better and four mean I need that one thing that will really push it to a five.

  1. NMIXX- Nmixx stands out in a crowd of groups where its clear that a group of executives have tried to create a formula. The members are insanely talented and genuinely great singers. They seem to have an identity in place-even though that identity does not come from following a genre. There is something also extremely magnetic about their performances, they are very expressive. The group also feels very authentic, but this is something I see in a lot of JYP groups- maybe because of a different culture- where the company does not like idols looking like untouchable gods. On production- to me- they've had some hits some misses, but by and large mostly hits (mostly background track and arrangement)

Band Identity- 4

Performances- 4

Vocals- 5

Authenticity- 5

Production- 3

  1. AESPA- I've had more than few complains with their fans who read to me like unwashed losers- specially the male stans on twitter. But aespa has truly stuck to the musical, and storytelling identity they've always had. I absolutely adore their vocals. The production is AMAZING. Aespa's composers, arrangers ano producers need international recognition for the GOLD they consistently make regardless of if the song is a hit or not.

Band Identity- 5

Performances- 4

Vocals - 5

Authenticity- 3

Production- 5

  1. TXT- I was not expecting to be this shocked by how gold their discography was. I'm guessing there's a lot owed to the fact that they are HYBE, and the first year of their debut was very much trying to outgrow BTS' shadow. However in an industry with never changing music styles and executives releasing the next trendy hit- them staying more or less consistent with the same sound is really great. I wish they were challenged more vocally, they sound good enough right now, but you can tell they're capable of very heavenly vocals. The choreos have had some hits some misses for me, but overall I think we can do better.

Band Identity- 5

Performances- 3

Vocals - 4

Authenticity- 5

Production- 5

  1. ATEEZ- This was another similar experience as TXT to me, i was not expecting how good that discography was. Ateez to me are a very good example of what I mean by Dance as a performance. The moves are very engaging, and it feel like dance theatre- the gestures seem to mean something, and ancient dance practices and musical theatres did the same thing- music with dance as storytelling. I thoroughly enjoy watching them.

And them making their own music is a huge plus I'm not gonna lie.

Band Identity- 5

Performances- 5

Vocals - 3 (if it was just jongho this would be a 5 star)

Authenticity- 4

Production- 4

5. STRAY KIDS- Boy these guys are REALLY not liked by any kpop stans. Regardless I'll keep my opinion true to myself. Stray kids are another band that are on par to me regarding dance as performances. Every choreo step reflects what they're saying, it'll an extremely entertaining watch! I think outside of seungmin and han, the group is obviously not very vocal focused. Bang chan is a vocalist, but he doesn't seem to want to make vocal songs. They have a band identity that they've generally stuck to- despite a lot of hate, and I respect that. They're definitely very authentic. On the production- I love that they're self produced, but they have a long way to go imo. All the tracks feel like 20 separate GOOD songs. The day they relax their production- focus on vocal production, will be the day that I will give them a 5 star on most things.

Band Identity- 5

Performances- 5

Vocals- 2 (if it was just seungmin-5; han-4)

Authenticity- 5

Production- 2

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u/pleaseletmefloat — 19 hours ago

Unpopular (?) opinion: Not all K-pop songs sound better with a live band

I don't know if this is actually an unpopular opinion, but I don't think I've seen people talking about this. I've had this in my mind for a long time, but only now I decided to post it.

The first time I thought this was for Stray Kids's God's Menu. I think it was for the Maniac tour, but also the DominATE tour. Most of the song sounds good with a live band, but the chorus feels a bit anticlimatic. I love how the chorus for God's Menu sounds in the studio version, but with the live band it doesn't feel as hype. Just to note, I've never seen them live and only through fancams so it might be different if I heard it live.

Also, I think this is true only for SOME songs. I think most sound better with a live band. For example Social Path sounds 100x better with a live band, also Lonely St.

Some other songs for which I thought this:
- Stray Kids LALALALA and MIROH - I think again it's mostly the chorus
- NMIXX O.O and Phoenix - the original instrumentals are perfection for me (on the other hand Love me like this sounds 100x better with a live band)

Have any of you had this opinion about a song? Which songs do you prefer with a live band?

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u/bed_surf — 1 day ago

Do idols with a more bulky and muscular build get “exempted” from strict dieting?

(Disclaimer, this post is not meant to promote EDs or anything this is just meant to be asked for curiosity)

So you know with idols such as Changbin, Bang Chan, Mingyu, Wonho and San you know how their known to have a much more bigger and muscular physique, so I’m wondering do they get some “exemptions” when it comes to things such as the strict dieting standards in Kpop in general. Cause you know in bodybuilding/strength training, there is like a phase called bulking in where you eat like a lot of food to build muscle as well and gain a certain amount of weight too so if you see videos of them like eating such a big volume of food that’s quite of the reason. At the same time they do deficits to you know reduce an amount of body fat while maintaining muscle at the same time.

So I’m wondering, do companies make “exemptions” for them when it comes to things such as dieting because maintaining such physique requires eating more? Or are they still expected to follow the same strict weight standards as everyone else?

Also do you think that most of their muscular build comes from mostly their training as well as stuff such as nutritional supplements to build muscle?

What are your thoughts?

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u/Legal_Potential4720 — 24 hours ago

Your favorite artists that you're casually a fan of?

By casual I mean you may know close to nothing about the artist, group, or individual members, or what you do know is very surface level, yet you listen to their music a lot.

My top one is Triple S. I know enough to know why there's so many of them and how the company works the group dynamic, but I don't have the energy or will to put my emotional investment into 20 - 30 girls, and the way the company runs the fandom spaces confuses me, so I just stick to listening to their music. I never know when new music is gonna drop but when it does there's always at least one banger that becomes one of my all-time faves.

Others include XG, Hearts2Hearts, and Chungha.

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u/snivyyy — 1 day ago

Experience of seeing a Kpop concert in Japan (TXT MOA CON)

Had a Japan trip planned and TXT's MOA CON Kobe shows worked out timing wise and I really wanted to go see them! Wanted to share my experience and tips and info about Japanese concerts (pertains to TXT and mostly HYBE groups as they have similar processes). Other groups and companies will have different processes so keep that in mind.

1. Getting Tickets
Probably the biggest hurdle for most international fans is getting tickets to concerts in Japans. Often you need Japanese fanclub membership, Japanese phone number, and/or Japanese address to enter ticket lotteries. TXT and I believe most HYBE groups don't require the phone number or address part. You can get a JPN membership as a foreigner. I got most of my info on the process from XHS since Chinese fans commonly go to Japan concerts. The hurdle for intl fans is payment options. For fanclub round 1, you can only pay for tickets through Lawson connivence stores in Japan so intl fans either pay a proxy or use someone they know. I have a friend living in Japan that was able to help me. For subsequent lottery rounds and sales, they allow credit card payment, but intl cards are hit or miss (some intl cards do work). Not an issue for me since I was able to use my friend's Japanese credit card for the premium upgrade lottery.

HYBE groups often have separate global fanclub lotteries but keep in mind that you will get worse seats than the Japanese ones. This has been the reported experience by many fans. So keep expectations low and that you will be in the back. Winning TXT's global lottery for their regular dome concerts isn't hard but MOA CON was arenas so it was much harder to get tickets for these. I didn't win the global lottery but did for the JPN fanclub round 1 for the day 2 show and then later won the lottery for premium upgrade (upgrade to closer seats).

If you want the best seats possible and best chances of winning then Japanese fanclub is a must as vast majority of tickets are only for them. If there's still lots of tickets left, many groups have started selling tickets on the Trip website which makes these shows accessible for international fans. Note again the seats will likely be in the back so keep expectations low. I've seen TXT, Enhypen, Illit, LSFM, TWS, BND, IVE, Monsta X, etc. If it's highly in demand, it's likely not going to be sold here. TXT's MOA CON was not sold here despite their past dome concerts being up there since the venues are so much smaller. For reference, for TXT’s past dome tours, getting tickets is not hard. Many fans can get tickets to all the shows they want. However for MOA CON, fans reported only winning one show during the round 1 lottery. 

How to get your concert ticket:

  1. You did Japanese fanclub lottery or bought general sale on Lawson, you get a QR code and pick up physical tickets at any Lawson store in Japan a few days before the concert. This is where you find out where your ticket seat is.

  2. Global lottery or Trip, you have to pick up the ticket at the venue.

Overall summary of TXT's general ticket system:

  1. JPN fanclub lottery round 1 (best general tickets would be here) and winning would let you be eligible for the premium upgrade. You cannot with later rounds.

  2. JPN fanclub lottery round 2

  3. Lawson credit card lottery

  4. Lawson general sale

  5. JPN fanclub additional sales (applicable if there are still tickets left, happened with some MOA CON dates but not Kobe)

  6. JPN fanclub equipment seats (if applicable, would be a day before the concert. Seats found that won't be blocked once the stage is actually set)

Global methods: Global membership (only 1 round and then there would be a separate premium upgrade lottery) or Trip

2. Resale Tickets

Yes resale is illegal in Japan but there are sites. Popular site is Ticket Jam and that's how I bought my day 1 ticket. There are two types of tickets parent (001) and child (002) tickets. The purchaser's name is on the ticket. For regular tickets, ID check is random and they do not check everyone. If it's premium tickets, for TXT they checked everyone. The "safe" way to buy resale is to buy 002 tickets as those aren't supposed to required ID verification, but it's getting stricter now. You're supposed to enter with the 001 ticket holder and if you don't, they might not let you in if you're asked for ID. I went in with the ticket seller who was 001 and we weren't asked but you never know. People risk buying 001 tickets hoping they don't get ID checked. If you fail to show ID then they will take your ticket and put an X so other entrances won't let you in. So keep this in remind especially if you can't pass to be Japanese or that would make you an easy target to be checked.

3. Soundcheck and Hi Touch Opportunities 

Getting a premium ticket usually only means a better seat and some merch. Unlike other countries, in Japan everything is a separate lottery. You have to buy albums through a lottery to win soundcheck or hi touch. The hi touch lottery seems to be truly random as some fans won with very little but some bought a lot and didn’t win. I’ve seen fans say they bought 50 albums and didn’t win. An album is 2300 yen so they paid over $700 USD for nothing. This is why many Asian fans don’t think American VIP prices are crazy. TXT’s send off VIP ticket was $900 USD and soundcheck VIP was $500 but at least those are guaranteed in the ticket. I’ve went to a fair amount of their American concerts and there’s always a good amount of Chinese and Japanese fans there for those perks. 

4. Buying Merch

For TXT and in general HYBE groups, I believe they do the pick up system so you can't go to the venue and directly buy merch. They open it at a specific time (ex. 1pm) and then it's a race to purchase it and choose a pick up time. There is a QR code that you show the staff that they use. Note if you want any popular merch (in my case the clothes or tote bag), as a foreigner you're likely not going to get it. Merch is in limited quantities and Weverse has faster purchase methods for Japanese people compared to foreigners where you need to enter all your credit card details. 

5. Membership Photocard Pick Up

For TXT, it's MOA Zone and unlike Korea and America, there is a reservation system so you need to book a time and can only pick it up during that time. Later slots go very fast when the reservations open so you might need to get to the venue early just to get the photocard. Note that day of, there might be later slots opened as people choose to come earlier to the venue and change their slot to an earlier one. Fans did this for TXT as they got to the venue early to line up for the capsule game.

You need Japanese fanclub membership for this. If you’re a global lottery winner, your global membership won’t be accepted.

6. Concert Atmosphere

Yes indeed Japanese audiences tend to be quite tame. Even when the guys were telling us to jump during hype songs, they did not lol. (Won't stop me haha). I know some people feel uncomfortable going against the crowd so keep that in mind. You'll be standing the whole time, but Japanese fans mainly just do the fan chants and wave their lightsticks. 

Something I’ll admit was a surprise was the large amount of “auntie” or “mom” fans as there’s a lot of them for TXT. Someone I sat beside me told me her 21 year old daughter went to the prior cities for MOA CON. In hindsight makes sense as Japan’s idol culture is known to have a lot of older fans and seems to apply to Kpop too. But might also catch others off guard who are used to younger audiences in western concerts.

7. Concert Recording

Japanese concerts mostly prohibit any recording and Japanese people listen and truly do not record. Most clips you see online are taken by foreigner fans. Do not risk doing this if you are on the floor as there are many staff walking around and they’re watching. But if you’re in the back, you’ll mostly get away with it. Another foreigner fan I met had recorded a lot since they were in the last row of the venue and the staff didn’t seem to care. They only walked up the stairs of her section once. But it’s all at your own risk as if you get caught, expect to be kicked out.

Overall, super happy to have made it work and see MOA CON in Japan during my trip! Especially since TXT aren’t touring this year so I’m happy I saw them another way. And I loved seeing the Japanese songs live as I do genuinely love those a lot! If anyone has questions about my experience or some processes, happy to help! But note again that this is all very specific to TXT and somewhat HYBE. I do not know how it works for other groups or companies. If you’re interested in Japanese concerts, it will require a lot of research like I did. Honestly, everything I learned was through shared fan experiences (XHS mostly) as my friend living in Japan couldn’t help since he’s not into Kpop. 

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u/lightups000 — 1 day ago

Why don’t idols get dimensional bleach and tones?

Random thought I had while scrolling this morning. I saw a beautiful hair transformation from a salon on an asian client. They gave her gorgeous bright highlights, face framing money pieces, a shadow root and lowlights. It was super gorg, but I immediately thought “wait a minute…why do I never see kpop idols with dye jobs this good?” Almost everytime an idol goes blonde, it’s just a solid bleach job and usually not toned very well. (thinking of all the times I’ve seen purple/silver roots, yellow mids and white crispy ends.) Surely their companies can afford good quality hair dressers? Are dimensional dye jobs just not very popular in korea? Is the solid blonde just the go to look there? I feel like dimension just makes your hair look so much richer. Plus the shadow roots and lowlights don’t make the grow out as obvious. I don’t know, just a random thought that popped into my head and I had to ask other people.

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u/otpprincess — 1 day ago

"THEY ALWAYS SING LIVE"... but most of the time all I hear is the backing track 🙃

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Whenever someone wants to promote their favorite group, one of the first things they mention is that "they always sing live." However, when I watch concert videos of many of these groups, what I hear most is the backing track, and I can't help but wonder: can people really tell the difference between live vocals and the backing track?

And I won't lie: there are idols I've heard sing during an encore or in performances where they're completely still, without any choreography, and yet their voices still sound very unstable or weak. Don't get me wrong; I'm aware that their voices aren't always at their best. Tours, recordings, and long workdays take their toll on anyone, and it's normal for the voice not to always respond the same way.

But that's precisely why I think: if they struggle to maintain vocal stability even when standing still, how is it that, suddenly, during an intense choreography, their voices sound exactly the same as in the studio, and yet fans still insist it's all live?

Because even when someone sings over a backing track, you can usually hear differences: you hear breaths, broken notes, some pitch shifts, or natural changes due to physical exertion. And that's fine, because it's still a live performance. But while some members of groups do sing over the backing track, there are others who let the backing track do almost all the work most of the time. And it seems that because those members sing live, it's assumed that the whole group does.

I feel like many K-pop concerts prioritize the performance, and the backing track takes center stage, relegating the live vocals to the background. Yes, the choreography is good and impressive, but I don't always want to see it; just sing the song and that's it.

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u/Someonehihi — 2 days ago

From asking his parents not to look up his name to becoming a hot trend in SK...Choi San’s journey is so incredibly full-circle

I’ve been thinking a lot about ATEEZ Choi San’s growth recently, especially with all the viral reels during Ice On My Teeth and BAD, and it honestly makes me so happy and proud to see where he is right now versus where he started.

Until a few years back, the amount of scrutiny and hate he faced for his aggressive, boundary-pushing dancing style was intense, to say the least. It absolutely breaks my heart remembering how he felt the need to shield his own parents from the online noise, asking them not to search his name because of how cruel people were being.

But despite all that hate? He 👏 never👏 toned it down.👏

Instead of conforming or playing it safe in an industry that often expects perfect, doll-like looks and pretty, safe expressions, he leaned into exactly who he was. He perfected his craft, adapted his style to different concepts, stayed resilient, and contributed to creating a new definition for what performer could look like.

Now, the exact things people used to criticize and question him for are the very reasons everyone is completely obsessed with him.

He has become a role model to so many younger idols and even has baddies like Chase Infiniti biasing him!

Seeing him get praised for his intensity, being dubbed the "Duke of the North," for IOMT and now getting his flowers on such a massive scale in SK for his mesmerizing performance for BAD is just so deeply satisfying to watch for me as ATINY. 🥹

Lately, I've been so happy seeing him in the likes of so many of the BAD reels that pop up on my Instagram feed. It means he knows he's going viral for all the right reasons. His family doesn't even need to search him up, he's literally taken over everyone's feed!!!

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u/atzbluebird — 1 day ago

blackpink lisa's recent nose job and comments are getting out of hand

just my 2 cents

i've been seeing so many people especially on X talking shit about lisa's new nose. imagine getting so much hate just for doing something for yourself. it's so sad and disappointing how comfortable people have become in making crude remarks about someone else's appearance as if it's so normal for them. it's like their natural response is to leave derogatory comments about someone or something they dislike.

beauty has always been subjective. what one person finds beautiful, another may not and that's okay! but there's a huge difference between having a personal preference and publicly mocking someone just because they don't fit your idea of beauty.

no one deserves to be ridiculed over the choices they make about their own body. whether you personally like the change or not, basic kindness and respect should not be optional. we can all have our own opinions without demeaning another human being.

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u/s0dapops — 2 days ago

Djokovic danced the Katseye's Touch choreo after winning R3 match in Wimbledon

This is him trying to do the choreo as a match win celebration.

His daughter is a fan of kpop since he also danced to Soda Pop after she tried to teach him the choreo.

All in all needs some work lol but it's kinda surreal to see the tennis goat dance the Katseye choreo.

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u/LehaneS12 — 1 day ago

If Mark’s Confederate flag controversy happened while he was still under SM, how would that be handled?

I’ve been thinking about this recently so let’s say the controversy surrounding Mark wearing the confederate flag shirt still happened but this time he is still under SM and NCT. How do you think that situation would be handled in a way especially with SM?

Would things be a bit different in a way? Do you think SM would cover up that issue in a way the way they did with past controversies, will they simply let it slide? I wonder how that would have been handled if he was from SM

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u/Legal_Potential4720 — 2 days ago