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Jordan was favored in 5 of 6 Finals. LeBron was the underdog in 7 of 9. Does betting context change the GOAT debate?
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Jordan was favored in 5 of 6 Finals. LeBron was the underdog in 7 of 9. Does betting context change the GOAT debate?

The narrative has always been simple: Jordan went 6–0, LeBron went 4–6 (or 3–6 through 2018). Betting markets tell a completely different story: • Michael Jordan: Favored in 5 of 6 Finals (83.3%) • LeBron James: Favored in only 2 of his first 9 Finals (22.2%)

The Breakdown

• MJ’s Competition: Vegas favored the Chicago Bulls in every single Finals except 1991 against the Los Angeles Lakers. Chicago was dominant, favored against Portland, Phoenix, Seattle, and Utah. • LeBron’s Path: LeBron repeatedly dragged rosters into matchups against established historic dynasties—the San Antonio Spurs (2007, 2013, 2014) and the peak Golden State Warriors (2015–2018). Even in 2012 against the Oklahoma City Thunder, Miami entered as the underdog.

The Question

• Did Jordan actually have the greater superteam all along? • Or does being the favorite just prove how dominant MJ's Bulls made themselves during the regular season? Where do you stand on this? Does Finals context validate LeBron's losses, or is a 6–0 record untouchable regardless of odds?

u/SnooObjections7406 — 7 days ago
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LeBron’s case as the GOAT

To begin with, this is not a post discrediting anyone. It’s simply raising Bron’s case as the GOAT (coming from a Celtics fan, no less), as I’ve recently put everything together and come to the conclusion that Bron’s case is kinda undeniable.

First off, LBJ got to the Finals with Larry Hughes/Big Z in his 4th season. This is more or less equivalent to Jimmy Butler taking the Heat to the Finals, given that Bron’s help was worse than Jimmy’s. However, Jimmy was never considered the next in line and burdened with any expectations. Bron knocked out the Pistons on his way in a historic fashion. We know what happened after, so no need to delve deeper there.

Next up, Miami. The only reasonable blemish on his body of work comes against the Mavs. I genuinely think this series gave him the drive to become the GOAT.

But that’s not really his most impressive body of work. Next up - the Cavs. 2015 is genuinely the only time since 1969 that a losing player almost got the FMVP. If it had gone to 7, it would’ve been Lebron’s. 2016 made him untouchable.

2018 showed he’s the best player in history. That was an insane run. Where others failed, he took a rag-tag squad to the Finals over some very talented teams in the East.

2020 - the most objective title in history. Even playing field for everyone and the Lakers (as the 1st seed in the NBA, losing HCA due to covid, got the chip) deserved it.

Only player in history to be named all-NBA 1st team as a PG, SF, PF. Most points in RS and playoffs as someone who’s not score/shoot-first.

Only player in history to defeat a 70+ win team in the playoffs. Only player in history to lead BOTH teams in all major counting stats in the Finals.

Only player in top 10 in points (1st) and assists (4th).

Yes, he lost a bunch of times in the Finals, but it was against dynasties (Spurs, Warriors) and the Mavs, who remind me of this year’s Knicks - talented and elite in every position. Say what you want, but a lineup of Dirk, Chandler, Kidd, Jet and Marion was better and more cohesive than what Miami could put on the floor. Also, Jet played his ass off!

If Bron came before Jordan (assuming both careers play out the same), I don’t think Jordan is considered as the GOAT, because of everything Bron has achieved. 6/6 is great, but one game won in the playoffs without Pippen is a MASSIVE red flag.

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u/nickgev — 7 days ago
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[OC] Definitive NBA Categorical GOATs list: Is the debate over, or did this leave off the real #1?

Breaking down basketball's categorical GOATs by peak skill and legacy. • Greatest Player: LeBron James (Lakers) • Greatest All-Around: LeBron James (Cavaliers) • Greatest Rebounder: Bill Russell (Celtics) • Greatest Scorer: Kevin Durant (Warriors) • Greatest Shooter: Stephen Curry (Warriors) • Greatest Defender: Hakeem Olajuwon (Rockets) • Greatest Passer: John Stockton (Jazz) • Greatest Dunker: Vince Carter (Raptors) From Los Angeles and the Bay Area to Chicago and Boston: Which category got completely disrespected, and who replaces them?

u/SnooObjections7406 — 8 days ago
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u/SmoothBuy5500 — 8 days ago
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This Philly squad is so exciting! What are your expectations/predictions for this season?

u/SmoothBuy5500 — 9 days ago
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What phone case is LeBron rocking in this photo?

I’ve actually been copying Bron’s phone case choices for the past few years 😂. Whenever I see him switch cases, I end up wanting the same one.

Trying to figure out what case this is. Anyone recognize it?

u/lancereyangelo04 — 7 days ago
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LBJ Gamewinner against Rookie Chris Paul (Lost Footage)

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