r/michaeljordan

I.e. flu game. Just those he goated.

Watched Lebrons whole career and noticed that ever since his first cavs stint, he always played "quarterback" basketball. As in Lebrons the QB and ever play starts in his hands.

This builds amazing stats and numbers, because every play starts with You. Players such as Lebron, Westbrook, Harden, Luka, all play this type of offense which leads to amazing numbers but not so great at winning it all.

I believe the only way to win with this type of offense is to build superteams. Even a super talented player like Lebron needed superteams to win with this style.

I think Lebron could've just stayed in Cleveland and played in a "team offense" that sacrifices his numbers but gets the other players more involved in the game because they don't just have to cut and wait, but they can "play make" as well and run plays that don't involve Lebron.

Ive been watching many MJ full games and a lot of the time he is taking a back seat just like the rest of the team, yes he could dominate and take over at any time but Mj knows it will be at the cost of his teams confidence and rhtyhm, but he literally takes over in the 4th quarter if he needs to.
That is why bulls won 55 games after jordan retired, they still played “team” system and had a “prove to the world” mentality that they could win without MJ, playing every game like it was game 7.

Many people call this "heliocentric" basketball but I feel it works against mediocre teams but seems to always lose to "system" offenses. Like the spurs, warriors, mavericks etc.

It requires more off ball work and also making sure every player touches the ball. Causing all players to get into a rhythm because they are dribbling, passing, shooting, playmaking equally.

I think it's so much more fun to play heliocentric because it's more free and spontaneous but not great at winning because you just have to shut down one person and you basically beat the team.

Also, since lebron has to run everything almost all game, by the 4th quarter he is gassed and cant finish the game strong. Thats why most of his stats come in the first 3 quarters.

That is why they lost so many times in the finals because the east was mediocre and when they finally played a "good team with team offense" Lebron always fell short. He lost 4-1 in the finals 2 times and got swept in the finals 2 times.

Phil jackson called MJ to talk to Kobe in 2001 and MJ said to play “teamball” in the first 3 quarters and then he can take over in the 4th. But Kobe just asked where Mikes shoes were at so they can play 1 on 1.

What do you think, would Lebron have won more rings in the triangle or a similar "team" type of offense?