Tied for 1st all time in All-Defensive 1st team awards! Above Duncan and Hakeem and many others. Ball don't lie! He is in the conversation for best defender EVER.
Let's say Kobe takes the coward's way out and decides to join stacked teams like LeBron. He teams up with Wade and Bosh in 2010-11. How many chips does he win? I think he easily wins 2010-11 and 2011-12. You could argue he gets more rest and doesn't tear him achilles because he'd be able to rest more with Wade and Bosh. If you think that, he may win 3 more. Assuming the injury, it still puts him at 7 chips.
The GOAT debate is the most dishonest piece of trash ever spread by sports media. I get why they did it. ESPN got so much engagement from it. Skip and Stephen A made literal careers out of it. Then you have Klutch pushing it with their propaganda, essentially tricking people into thinking there's even a debate.
THERE IS NO FUCKING DEBATE. MJ WAS THAT GOOD. The gap between him and number two is THAT BIG. There is literally no fucking logical argument you can make that puts MJ anywhere but #1. It's completely asinine. I'm so sick of it. I'm going to put these people in their places and eviscerate them with facts and logic. Hopefully I can get through the ESPN and Klutch propaganda.
I’m with B Scott on this one I don’t think Kobe ever intended on leaving the Lakers. He’s too competitive to team up with other superstars.
Let's see what you guys have for your top 5. I'm interested to see what yours are.
MJ
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Wilt
There's absolutely no reasonable argument for ranking Bron above Kobe. Kobe was quite simply A BETTER WINNER! 5 chips and 2 losses vs 4 chips and 6 losses. This shouldn't even be a discussion tbh. Klutch has the strongest propaganda arm in sports media. Guy like Nick Wright are spreading pure BS and influencing what people think.
MJ didn't take the easy route for a championship. He could have easily stacked the deck by joining a superteam like other so-called "competitors", but he didn't. He stuck it out with the Bulls and helped develop guys like Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant. He didn't complain, didn't make demands for the front office to acquire/trade/draft certain players. He gutted it out through tough years. He didn't need stacked superteam rosters like these other stars needed to win.
I have no respect for players who collude with other stars to create the best teams. It is absolutely collusion and should come with an asterisk on these players legacies. I think it absolutely does too. Collude/rigging by creating superteams is the most pathetic, uncompetitive thing a player can do.
If you have a pair of balls, you gut it out and help your team develop into a contender like MJ did. You don't leave at the first sign of adversity. It's pathetic.
That's why MJ is the undisputed GOAT!
My guy basically faced the damn dream team. It's not talked about how good the competition was. This needs to be talked about when Bronsexuals try their GOAT bullshit/lies.
Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexler, Charles Barkley, Gary Payton + Shawn Kemp, Stockton+ Malone, Stockton + Malone AGAIN. He faced the hardest competition.
Kareem played in a weaker era with less teams, so no question his competition wasn't as good. MJ faced better competition than what Bron faced as well.
I only dose after work usually. Around 6-7 pm to 10-11 pm. Granted, I take a lot. 30-40gpd. I see people posting that they get withdrawals after 6-8 hours. I can wait 24 hours and be fine. I never know what to expect after that though.
What are others experiences with this?
Been a pretty consistent user for 5+ years. I stopped for 10 days 4 months ago on vacation, but picked up where I left off. I did a substantial drop in one day. It's been 30 hours since my 40 gpd dose. Last night I just took 7 grams. No RLS yet. I slept only about 5 hours. I'm loading vitamin c.
Will I likely get withdrawal from that drop, or not until I actually stop?
My guy is the GOAT YouTuber. He absolutely wrecks these dumb LeBron stans.
Jordan finished with 32,292 points despite missing nearly five full seasons because of retirement. That's not counting the fact that those weren't random years at the end of his career; they were years right in the middle of or immediately after his prime.
After the 1993 season, he stepped away at age 30. At that point he had just won three straight championships and was still averaging over 30 points per game. If he simply plays the 1993-94 and 1994-95 seasons at anything close to his normal level, that's probably another 4,500-5,000 points.
Then he retired again after the 1998 title run and missed three more seasons. Even assuming some decline with age, Jordan was still MVP and scoring champion in 1998. Give him three more healthy seasons in Chicago at 25-28 PPG and you're looking at roughly another 6,000-7,000 points.
Add those together and Jordan likely ends up with somewhere around 43,000-44,000 career points. The counterargument is that playing those extra years could have led to injuries or accelerated his decline, so you can't just assume a straight-line projection. That's fair. But it's also hard to ignore that the greatest scorer ever, who averaged 30.1 PPG for his career, voluntarily gave away nearly five seasons of games.
It's pretty reasonable to believe that if Jordan never retired in 1993 or 1998, he'd have finished with the all-time scoring record. The crazy part is that he might have done it while playing hundreds fewer games than LeBron.
Kobe Bryant publicly demanded a trade from the Los Angeles Lakers in May 2007, driven by deep frustration over early playoff exits and a perceived lack of competitive roster talent following Shaquille O'Neal's departure.
People have been lying about this to try and discredit MJ. They try and claim the 1996 Bulls was a "superteam". It's a completely laughable claim. Superteams generally have 3 all stars.
The Bulls got Rodman basically for free because he was a washed up and a headcase. You think the Spurs give him away for nothing if not? He would party all night and be worthless the next game. He could barely score a bucket. THAT GUY is part of a big 3? Just lmao. Bulls Rodman is totally overrated.
Pippen was aging from the heavy postseason play/mileage. He wasn't the same as first 3-peat Pippen. We saw that he couldn't carry a team when he played without MJ. Great player? Definitely. But he wasn't some complete stud like Wade was on the Big 3 Heat.
That team was carried by a fresh MJ. That rest from the first retirement did wonders for him. He was so fricking good and is hugely responsible for carrying that team to 72 wins. Without MJ I'm not sure if the Bulls are even a playoff team. They were borderline in the year before without MJ.
Long story short, they WERE NOT a superteam. Their record is a testament to how freaking good MJ was IMO.