The last time Earth's atmosphere consistently reached 500 ppm of CO2 was roughly 16 to 23 million years ago, during the Miocene Epoch.
This is unprecedented for earth's current plant life. If you are able to, prepare for the upcoming global die-off.
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Yesterday, someone next to me was watching a Korean drama, and the show featured nothing but stories about marriage and childbirth without a break.
I suspect that Natalism is being intentionally injected into the cultural sphere as well.
The minimum wage here have not increased in the last 10 years, the wages for educated workers are rapidly decreasing, wages for good positions like project manager with 5 years of experience are rapidly decreasing, the working hours are on the other hand rapidly increasing, companies are making people work more and more unpaid overtime.
Of course inflation is high the value of the currency has halved in the last 10 years and yet wages are going down like from 35000 to 25000.
People will deny overpopulation because people have been saying we are overpopulated for the past 200 years and nothing happened.
Yeah, because we used Kaioken/every cheap trick in the book to temporary boost our abilities.
- Kabul/Teheran and 100 other cities/countries are running out of ground water because their population is too big.
- 1/3 of countries on the planet rely on food imports from abroad because they cannot feed their own population.
- Soil erosion and depletion in combination with water shortages and fertilizer shortages means we have reached peak yield/farmland.
Yet people are oblivious to this and will claim that technology will save us. Or that we have not used every possible avaliable space for food production.
And if we have to use desalination plants - does that not mean that we are using up natural drinking water faster than it can regenerate?
The economy is allways super well until a recession/depression. Human population will always be "perfectly managable to supply" until a sudden collapse.
I think there should be a limit of two kids per family or household, because it doesn’t add to the population and with my experience being a sibling to three other kids, you also cannot give the attention or love to each kid. Every parent has a favourite which then just takes more time and attention for the other kids. I also think this because we are really overpopulating the planet. Sorry for the rant
Smart meters track water flow and timing in homes, while the system learns patterns like laundry or lawn watering to shut them off during shortages. Apps allow residents to monitor usage and receive account alerts, but this builds a daily record of household activity. Water companies install these meters during routine upgrades, and apps provide simple conservation tips. Because data integrates directly into billing, errors remain difficult to detect. This allows strict regulations to heavily impact normal household tasks during emergencies. Meanwhile, data centers continue drawing massive amounts of water from the same strained supplies with less scrutiny, leaving residents with no way to question the practice or see the full picture.
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- These systems let officials limit basic things people do at home in water shortages but let data centers keep using lots of water from the same sources without the same limits.
**Article**
A street corner in the South African coastal city of Durban has become a bustling scene of desperation.
Thousands of migrants crowd around colorful plastic sacks, boxes and trash bags carrying what belongings they could salvage before fleeing the country. Women tuck their babies under blankets. Vendors hawk solar-powered cellphone chargers and potato chips. Portable toilets, large green water tanks and makeshift showers fashioned from gray tarps are the only sanitation available.
The people in this encampment, like the handful that have popped up around the country, have been stuck out here for days, sometimes weeks, after anti-immigration activists called on undocumented foreigners to leave South Africa by Tuesday, or face untold consequences.
The activists have not explained what they plan to do to the immigrants who stay after the deadline, but even the threat has led thousands of immigrants, mostly from other African nations, to leave South Africa.
Some immigrants have turned to consulates for help in leaving the country, overwhelming foreign missions and South African immigration authorities racing to process paperwork for families, many of them undocumented. Mobs have already attacked many immigrant homes and businesses.
Fearing for their safety as the deadline approaches, thousands of migrants waiting to leave South Africa have resorted to sleeping outside government offices, foreign missions or, here in Durban, an old park just a block from a picturesque beach on the Indian Ocean.
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“It’s a humanitarian disaster in the making and the state authorities seem to be asleep at the wheel,” said Dale McKinley, an immigrant rights activist in South Africa. “It’s outrageous.”
The government has said the unfolding crisis has been the result of years of migrants taking advantage of the country’s immigration policies.
South Africa is the continent’s wealthiest nation. When people come to South Africa as refugees, the government does not put them in refugee camps but instead allows them to integrate into society. But many immigrants manipulate the refugee system to stay in the country longer, said Njabulo Nzuza, the deputy home affairs minister, while others who come for economic opportunities often overstay their visa.
Since 2008, South Africa has battled waves of deadly xenophobic violence, with immigrants often being blamed for the country’s high unemployment and high crime. But the country has never seen such large, spontaneous migrant camps cropping up on the street, Mr. Nzuza said.
The largest camp started several weeks ago when thousands of Malawians began sleeping at a park in a residential community in suburban Durban while waiting for their government to repatriate them. The police at one point clashed with the migrants and fired tear gas.
About a week ago, those Malawians were moved to an old fairground. Large white tents have been set up on a massive paved lot surrounded by a barbed wire fence. Inside, aid organizations are providing food and medical care. But the demand has been so high that thousands of Malawians have been forced to wait outside before they are let in to be processed and put on buses to return to Malawi.
The government said that at least 8,000 people were at the camp, and that at least 7,000 Malawians had already been sent back.
On Thursday afternoon, Charles Paul, from Malawi, reached between an opening in the fence to caress his 2-month-old son, Kwakhanya, who was strapped to the chest of his girlfriend, Sanelisiwe Nxili.
It was almost time to say goodbye. After seven years in South Africa, Mr. Paul, 24, has decided to return to Malawi because of the threats against foreigners. Ms. Nxili, 23, is South African, so she is staying behind with their child. She too is nervous about what comes next.
The family survived on Mr. Paul’s monthly salary of about $365 as a carpenter. Ms. Nxili said she would have to send her son to live with her mother so that she could find a job.
“They must not chase them all away,” Ms. Nxili said of the anti-immigrant activists threatening migrants in South Africa. “They must document them.”
Even those who are in the country legally say they are not being spared. At another camp in Durban, hundreds of refugees have been cramped on a sidewalk in front of a home affairs office. Most of the refugees say they were attacked by South Africans who told them to leave the country, even though they are here legally as refugees.
Government officials have told those in the camp that they must return to their communities or will be taken to an immigration detention center. The refugees have refused, arguing that neither option is safe.
On a recent evening, children bounced on foam mattresses on the sidewalk next to a convenience store as their mothers sat by wrapped in blankets. Cars sped past on the busy road as 37-year-old Valerie Ngabo pondered the unthinkable: returning to her war-torn village in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
She has been in South Africa since 2008, and during a previous wave of xenophobic violence in 2015, the mother of four was forced to spend six months sleeping outside, she said. More recently, she said, South Africans have attacked the hair salon she owns, beat her and her colleagues and told them to leave.
Life might be better in Congo, she said.
“There’s no hope,” said Ms. Ngabo, adding that she had been approved for resettlement in the United States in 2024, but has been unable to go after President Trump froze the refugee program when he took office last year. “There’s nowhere I can go,” she said.
Gladys Irakoze, 26, was born in South Africa to refugee parents from Burundi. She always thought she could blend in among South Africans, but that no longer seems possible, she said. Things have gotten so hostile toward immigrants that even her 10-year-old son has been threatened by his classmates.
Ms. Irakoze, also staying in the camp, said she did not recognize her country anymore.
“I didn’t expect this to actually happen in South Africa,” she said.
Correction (June 27, 2026):
Because of an editing error, an earlier version of a photo caption with this article misspelled the names of a South African woman and her baby, whose Malawian father fled South Africa because of threats against foreigners. Her given name is Sanelisiwe, not Senalisiwe. Her baby’s surname is Nxili, not Xnili.
John Eligon is the Johannesburg bureau chief for The New York Times, covering a wide range of events and trends that influence and shape the lives of ordinary people across southern Africa.
Joao Silva is a Times photographer based in South Africa.
A version of this article appears in print on June 28, 2026, Section A, Page 11 of the New York edition with the headline: "Thousands of Migrants Are Fleeing South Africa."
Link to article: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/26/world/africa/south-africa-migrant-camps-deadline.html
What the other options are, I don't know. One thing is certain, the current way these things are going will ultimately lead to a lot of social and economic unrest.
We have all seen that the system is failing. Productivity is at an all time high, while wages are stuck in limbo, this is actually a byproduct of the system and the powers at be want this to continue like so.
This system needs an infinite population growth because more population means more consumers and more manpower to fuel the machine. The machine might not have enough jobs for everyone, but that's a good thing for the elite because they can just pay miserable wages since 500 people just like you are waiting at the door to get your job.
The developed countries saw that this system ultimately removes the "urge" to have children due to all the shit that is happening all over the world, be it the housing crisis, the environment becoming all fucked up and the low wages. This is all tied to overpopulation and the infinite growth system (while we live in a world with finite resources).
The decline in birth rates wouldn't be an issue with a system that is based and focused on the things that matter, and that doesn't waste their (finite) resources on trivial products that are churned out of factories constantly. But, because we have this system we "need" a constant increase of population.
Increasing birth rates doesn't work, the system requires consumers and manpower immediately and this is what is driving mass immigration to developed countries.
Mass immigration is also tied to the system that requires it urgently to survive and keep this failing machine from imploding. Although it will implode sooner or later due to the destruction of the environment and climate change.
Talking about mass immigration is a controversial topic because people immediately assume that you are a far right Nazi, and thus aren't willing to notice that it's also a problem.
Since most people cannot or will not think outside the box and realize that this system cannot sustain itself, it's very hard to make them realize that a "demographic crisis" would be the perfect situation to change things radically if we want to survive another 200 years on this planet.
That's why most people become angry whenever the "demographic collapse" is talked about and whenever someone says (like me) that it's a good thing and we should see it as an opportunity. They are so fixed with this system that they immediately say shit like "But it will collapse society!".
I mean, mankind has gone through many cases of mass casualty events that reduced the population by a lot and still survived.
In my opinion, if people aren't having children, so be it. Let the population drop to more manageable levels.
What's your take on this?
Worldwide there is a trend of complaining about excessive immigration yet I never see anyone looking at the causes.
If you genuinely 💯 want immigration to to be curbed you need to look at the reasons for it.
Yes other countries have their own historical issues BUT there has also been ALOT of foreign interference (governments primarily in the Western Countries) that have impacted the lives of people in other countries, making the citizens NEED to escape their country.
Time for everyone to WAKE THE FUCK UP and tell YOUR government it is NOT acceptable for them to fuck up other nations for their own benefit AND to use their SOFT POWER to fix what they broke.
Immigration wouldn't be a problem in the first place IF the soft power was used to benefit BOTH parties.
Non stop complaining isn't going to solve anything... ACTION for the benefit of the human race AND our animal counterparts is what will solve these issues.
So what are we all going to do about it ?
The other stuff is a little abstract so it might be difficult for some to connect the dots.
- There is enough space. Just build more houses
- Some additional cars wont make a difference
- Just go wind and solar and then there is enough energy
- Just make more food
You can actually build more houses, and produce more energy and make more food. Even it it devastates the environment even further. However you cannot produce more water. Ground water is a finite resource and it gets used up faster the more people you have.
Ground water levels when there are 1 Million people? No problem. At this rate consumption is low enough so that the ground water can always regenerate with rain.
Same spot but the city is suddenly 3 Million people? Consumption is above the level of regeneration. At this rate the lake would run dry within 100 years.
Same spot but the city is suddenly 12 Million people? Well. All water will be gone within 25 years.
Its so logical. Yet so many fail to see this simple truth.
And yes I know you can make water out of sea water. But this is extremely energy inefficient. Turning 1000 liters of sea water into drinkable water = 3kw/h.
Also transporting this water hundreds or thousands of Kilometers land inwards costs again lots of fuel and CO2.
Guys it clearly not hot enough and climate change is clearly not fast enough. We need an additional 2-3 Billion people on this Planet ASAP to consume more resources and produce more CO2 and create more body heat and waste. Because more people is always the sollution and never a problem.
Everyone who claims that overpopulation exists, is clearly a stupid, bigoted, racist, eco fascist, conspiracy theorist that wants to stall the progress of humanity. Because more people means more workers and more consumers and that is a good thing. It also means more problem solvers. Perhaps if we have 50 Million more people in this country, we can finally figure out why all the water in the lakes and ground water is beeing used up so fast and why we consume more resources and produce more CO2 and burn more gas and fossil fuels and why its getting hotter and why there is soil erosion and why there are food shoratges.
Look evil purple space man wiped out half of all life in the universe because he though it was overpopulated. What an evil nut job.
The more I think about it the more I think that MCU Thanos was hollywood/corporate propaganda in order to discredit the very concept of overpopulation.
I posted this well received post in r/collapse to spread awareness
At first it was well received. I got 10 upvotes in 10 minutes. In the next 20 Minutes those 10 upvotes turned into - 10. People were attacking me that my post doesnt make sense, that I am abot and that all I wrote is wrong. There were no rational arguments, just hate and rejection.
If even a sub like collapse denies that overpopulation exists, then 99% of the population will also not admit that it exists. So we will continue until Millions of people start dying because there is no water or food.
AI, automation, robotics, general increase in productivity, death of small businessses by the hands of large companies that have more economics of scale and hence require lesser labor will significantly reduce labor demand by quite a lot.
Unemployment crisis is a literally a hundred times worse than any labor shortage, in fact peoples wages may even go up during labor shortage.
Hence it is mandatory to lower births as much as possible without any fear of labor shortage
tl;dr:
Childfree accelerationists are theoretical accelerationists.
Families are practical accelerationists. Have always been.
Came to vent.
So I am an accelerationist. Whenever I mention it on climate-related forums, I am guarranteed to get downvoted and rebuked.
But if you look at my carbon footprint, it's tiny, just necessary stuff, wifi, smartphone, fridge, electricity, smartphone, laptop, a couple of subscriptions, water boiler. I don't even have many gadgets. Do wireless headphones count as such?
I have no car, no AC. I don't even produce much municipal waste. I carry around plastic bags and reuse carton packages for note-taking.
I am an Environmental Saint!
All my accelerationism is purely theoretical and just wishful thinking.
Now, the real drivers of accelerationism - the practitioners - are parents. The people who produce surplus of future adults who will use 2-6k of diapers in the first year of their innocent lives before they get potty-trained.
Those get upvotes, sympathy, empathy, praise, encouragement, digital foot massages and such.
And don't start with "Bbbbut parents in the 3rd world are environmentally sustainable!"
I am in the third world as well. So, i hope it should neutralize the charge.
Yeah, I mean, it's a blissful society.