r/patm

1 year ago I would have to spray a very specific deodorant
Use a specific bodywash
And wear certain clothes to achieve like a 95% cured state and life was pretty good
These past few days I have been kinda bummy, I had a meeting with my apartment manager and no deodorant or shower, no reactions !? 2 years ago I would be making people within a 15 foot radius sneeze cough and clear there throat all a sudden I have noticed I am basically free of patm only complaint is I have really bad body odor now which is lowkey worse but has anyone else just all a sudden been cured and what to do about the body odor

I’m going strictly off my situation which maybe different for you.

I’ve been looking into whether PATM could involve abnormal skin/sebum chemistry rather than uric acid itself, and I found some interesting research.
A published PATM study measured 75 skin gases and found that people reporting PATM had higher emissions of several compounds, including hexanal, isovaleraldehyde, acetone, 2-ethyl-1-hexanol, toluene, xylenes, methyl mercaptan, ethyl mercaptan, and allyl methyl sulfide.

What’s interesting is that normal skin chemistry can also generate VOCs. Sebum and sweat provide substrates that skin organisms such as Corynebacterium, Staphylococcus, Cutibacterium, and Malassezia can metabolize. This can produce volatile fatty acids, aldehydes, and sulfur-containing compounds. Sebum can also undergo oxidation and generate VOCs without bacteria being directly responsible.

There’s another possible layer: clothing absorbs VOCs from indoor environments and also collects sebum, sweat, bacteria, and their metabolites. This could explain why some environmental odors, such as a musty building smell, can become strongly attached to clothing/hair/skin.

So one hypothesis worth investigating is:
Sebum production/composition → microbial metabolism + oxidation → altered skin VOC profile → VOCs accumulate on clothing and in enclosed spaces.

Environmental VOCs could simultaneously be absorbed by clothing and skin oils, potentially creating an even more complicated mixture.
This does not prove that skin bacteria or excess sebum causes PATM. The PATM study measured skin gases but did not simultaneously characterize the participants’ skin microbiomes, so that connection still needs to be demonstrated.

But I think this deserves more investigation because there are measurable PATM VOC abnormalities, known VOC production from sebum/skin microbes, and known VOC retention by clothing.

It would be really interesting to compare skin microbiome + sebum composition + skin GC-MS VOC measurements in the same PATM subjects. That could tell us whether these things are actually connected.

As time continues dealing with this, I do believe mine and my spouses PATM is due to mold exposure, as mold exposure can affect the body in so many different ways and takes time to see the effects. Also at first it was just me either having the symptoms or noticing it, then my husband started experiencing it too. We found mold in our cars cabin air filter, moved apartments, but are now dealing with another apartment that has mold so we are trying to remedy that in hopes that this will slowly go away. Some days are better than others. But this is something that has definitely changed our gut, skin, and oral microbiome, also causing other deficiencies in our bodies.

Durante su periodod sienten que las reacciones patm aumentan? O no pasa nada

Went to the barbershop for the first time in a while I felt like I was improving so I gave it a shot. My barber was sniffling a lot a few minutes in😔. It’s weird because lately it’s only been a lot of coughs. I only noticed my barber and the barber on the next chair sniffling so I’ll take that..

Hey everyone,

I've noticed that for most of you, the main symptoms you experience or perceive around others are throat clearing, sneezing, and runny nose.

However, in my case, the primary symptom I experience is itching on my scalp/head, though I also get the feeling that it triggers respiratory allergies or reactions around me.

I'd like to hear the thoughts of anyone who shares this main symptom of scalp itching: Does anyone else experience something similar, or have any idea/insight into what might be causing this?

Does anyone know if patm could be connected to hormones in some way? Does anyone have other symptoms in addition to that they believe are connected? If so what are they?

My most severe issue is Patm and I know some people say its not possible, but I am legit making people have symptoms through phone calls. I talked to 5 different people yesterday and everyone of them cough, sneezed, kept clearing throat. Like how is this possible 😞.

Yesterday I told my doctor about all my symptoms, and I told her that I there must be an underlying issue. This doctor literally sniffed multiple times and rubbed her nose WHILEEE telling me there’s nothing wrong, there’s no odour and I just need to clean up my diet 😭 I swear I can’t make this up.

This has me thinking this is spiritual or something

I’m confident that the help we are looking for can be found within ourselves. Our own awareness can become our aid. I’m not talking about simply observing what is happening at face value. I’m talking about a moving mind — the way our awareness moves through our thoughts, feelings, memories, surroundings and experiences, and how we interpret what we experience internally.

You are your own person. You have your own mind, your own awareness and your own way of experiencing the world. Having PATM does not make you less of a person, nor does it mean that your entire identity should become centred around the condition. There can be a much deeper layer underneath it.

For some of us, there may be a massive form of anxiety that existed long before PATM presented itself. It may have been built gradually through earlier experiences, trauma, fear, uncertainty, instability or periods when the mind learned to remain constantly alert. In that sense, PATM may feel like an evolution of something that was already happening within us, rather than the beginning of everything.

This is why I believe calm is so important.

Calm is not simply the absence of symptoms. It is a different state of relating to our own minds. When the mind is calm, awareness can move more naturally. We can observe a thought without immediately becoming consumed by it. We can notice a sensation without automatically interpreting it as danger. We can experience something happening around us without allowing our entire awareness to become trapped inside it.

When anxiety becomes overwhelming, the mind can become narrowed and restricted. Attention may become fixed on ourselves, our surroundings, other people's reactions or what might happen next. The more we monitor, analyse and anticipate, the harder it can become to simply exist in the present moment. The mind can begin reacting to its own interpretations as though they are immediate threats.

Calm creates space.

It allows us to step back from the constant movement of fear and observe what is actually happening within us. It gives the mind an opportunity to move rather than remain stuck in one place. Instead of fighting every thought, sensation or reaction, we can learn to notice it, allow it to pass and return our awareness to the present.

This doesn't mean blaming ourselves or suggesting that everything is "just in our head." The experiences are very real and very physical. Rather, it means recognising that the mind and body are deeply connected, and that long-standing anxiety can influence how we experience ourselves and the environment around us.

For me, the important point is that having PATM does not mean we have lost ourselves. Beneath the fear, monitoring and uncertainty, there is still the same person — the person with their own awareness, personality, thoughts, abilities and life.

Perhaps the aim is not to spend our lives trying to control every reaction or prove what every reaction means. Perhaps part of healing is learning to become comfortable within our own awareness again.

The calmer the mind becomes, the more freely awareness can move.

And when awareness is no longer completely dominated by fear, we may begin to experience something that was there all along: ourselves.

I’ve shared the below to many medical and researching Reddits.

I suggest to do something similar, let’s be honest we’re not doctors or scientists we just have to spread awareness and hope someone in a related field sees this.

There is a disease called PATM - (People Are Allergic To Me) which causes the one suffering to emitted poor body odor or pheromones or body gases, that causes others around them to dry cough, sneeze or have general allergy like symptoms to the individual.
For any researchers interested in this topic it has been sometimes associated to TMAU although not proven. The subreddit is PATM. Many stories of people suffering and would be very appreciative if you shared with other community, researchers, colleagues in related fields.

French people produce pheromones that pure-blooded French people find pleasurable—meaning they won't sneeze in response to those specific pheromones—because pheromone receptors differ between the French and the rest of the world... but then someone might say, "Well, I know white French people who dislike my scent and sneeze non-stop around my PATM"... —those people don't have 100% French DNA; they carry DNA from other regions of the world, that's why their receptors are different, causing them to feel aversion and disgust and to sneeze instead of feeling pleasure... since it's very common in France not to have 100% French DNA, the likelihood of having a different pheromone receptor is very high... that is the true cause of PATM... but then there's Japan—a different race—and perhaps, just perhaps, the French and Japanese share this pheromone (androstenone) in common, yet possess other, distinct pheromones unique to their respective races... or maybe those Japanese individuals with PATM actually possess French DNA and the French pheromone...

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Hello to you, I am a 37-year-old man and I have had PATM for 10 years and this disease has evolved in an uncontrollable way and my life has become unbearable, the breaking point is approaching, I tell you, the first year when the PATM appeared, it was only coughs and people who cleared their throats but today it is a hundred times worse. I noticed that my body seems to emit an electrical signal or other things like that, the electrical appliances and lights near me are defective instantly and the lights in the room where I am flash when I am ready. Now I have also noticed that insects are attracted to me and that the outside of my house smells bad 24/7. I have endured many things in my life but this uncontrollable disease is unbearable for me, I lost my dignity and I made the decision that I wanted to die, it is the only way to defeat these things. Medicine can't do anything so death can do something

I'm talking about myself and not everyone else, here are my symptoms and maybe not yours so stay calm in the face of my words. I am almost 90% sure that my body sends frequency-based electrical waves and this changes the air as well as the smell of the air, even outside. This explains the speed with which this is done. Then how to explain that mosquitoes, wasps, fly birds are attracted to me even behind the wheel of my car and even the funeral I am sitting in my house and that I see dark flies in my Windows. And it also has that I start the lights almost instantly when I am below it and this symptom is new for 3 months it was not there for the last 10 years that I have PATM, and so it is not bacteria and not mold either. I think it's a signal not understood since medicine that the body is able to send in a certain disease. Even the televisions are slower when I'm sitting in front of it??? . I will do in-depth research and see further because I think I am on a trail for my problem. Someone here has the same symptoms as me here, contact me I want to talk to you. I assure you, on the Facebook PATM group there are people who are like me so NO I'm not dreaming. Yes, it goes through the phone and live television. Am I in x-files? Probably

​Note : Les métabolites cutanés de base (ammoniac, éthanol, acétone, acétaldéhyde) ne montraient pas de différences significatives globales avec le témoin, confirmant la spécificité des produits chimiques synthétiques détectés.

​B. Analyse des Sous-vêtements

​Des concentrations élevées de Toluène, Hexane et Propionaldéhyde ont été mesurées sur les sous-vêtements portés pendant 10 heures.

​Le toluène était absent des sous-vêtements neufs ou lavés non portés, prouvant que la substance provenait bien de la peau du sujet.

​L'utilisation de lessives antibactériennes a aggravé la sensation de diffusion gazeuse et les réactions d'hypersensibilité chez le patient.

​C. Analyse Microbiologique de la Cavité Nasale

​Les prélèvements nasaux ont révélé la présence de trois espèces microbiennes majeures :

​Staphylococcus epidermidis : Flore cutanée résidente classique (majoritaire).

​Arthrobacter phenanthrenivorans : Actinobactérie produisant une odeur caractéristique de « fossé/fumé » en culture.

​Rhodotorula mucilaginosa : Levure rouge responsable des dépôts marron/rouges dans les pièces humides (salles de bain). C'est la première fois que cette espèce est isolée dans la cavité nasale humaine. Sa charge de colonisation augmentait considérablement lors des journées de fortes crises PATM (2,5 \times 10^3 UFC) par rapport aux jours légers (1,0 \times 10^2 UFC).

​3. Causes Identifiées et Mécanismes Pathologiques

​L'étude met en lumière un mécanisme multifactoriel à l'origine du syndrome PATM :

​Voie d'élimination cutanée compensatoire (Détoxification altérée) :

​Le corps sécrète des produits chimiques synthétiques (toluène, xylène, hexane) à travers la peau comme mécanisme de détoxification.

​La compression mécanique des organes internes (comme la hernie inguinale ou la pression gastro-intestinale/pancréatique) perturbe la circulation normale des substances et force leur élimination gazeuse via la surface cutanée.

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​Diffusion d'allergènes volatils dans l'air ambiant :

​Les composés volatils émis (toluène et xylène, connus pour causer le syndrome des bâtiments incubateurs et la sensibilité chimique multiple) se diffusent dans l'air.

​Les personnes environnantes ayant un seuil de tolérance bas ou une sensibilité chimique déclenchent immédiatement des réactions allergiques respiratoires ou oculaires.

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​Dysbiose Nasale et Cutanée :

​La présence de Rhodotorula mucilaginosa et d'aéro-bactéries spécifiques (Arthrobacter) dans la cavité nasale interagit avec les gaz émis ou génère des métabolites volatiles odorants/irritants.

​Accumulation de Métaux Lourds :

​L'analyse OligoScan du sujet a révélé une accumulation élevée de métaux lourds et une surcharge anormale en iode (0,81\,\mu\text{g}\cdot\text{g}^{-1} de tissu), ce qui peut altérer le métabolisme hépatique et cellulaire.

​4. Solutions et Pistes de Prise en Charge

​En s'appuyant sur les constatations de l'étude, plusieurs solutions médicales, hygiéniques et environnementales sont avancées pour réduire ou supprimer les symptômes du PATM :

​A. Traitement Médical et Chirurgical

​Correction des pathologies internes : Traiter les compressions viscérales (par exemple, la réparation chirurgicale de la hernie inguinale a permis une réduction significative des symptômes chez le patient).

​Prise en charge de la détoxification hépatique et digestive : Évaluer et soutenir le métabolisme des organes internes pour éviter la dérivation des toxines vers la peau.

​B. Gestion Microbiologique et Fongique

​Ciblage de la flore nasale anormale : Mener un traitement ciblé contre la colonisation par la levure Rhodotorula mucilaginosa et les actinobactéries dans les voies nasales.

​Régulation du microbiote intestinal : Rééquilibrer la flore intestinale pour prévenir les anomalies métaboliques conduisant à la production ou au relargage de substances chimiques volatiles.

​C. Gestion Textile et Hygiène Environnementale

​Éviction des lessives antibactériennes : Éviter les détergents de lessive contenant des agents antibactériens agressifs, car ils augmentent les symptômes de sensibilité chimique et la réaction cutanée.

​Entretien des vêtements : Privilégier le nettoyage à sec ou l'utilisation de textiles 100 % coton neutres pour limiter l'adsorption et la réémission des gaz par les fibres synthétiques.

​Ventilation et filtration de l'air : Assurer une aération continue des espaces clos pour empêcher la concentration des COV cutanés (toluène, xylène) et réduire la boucle de rétroaction sur le patient.

​D. Hygiène de Vie et Chélation

​Réduction de la surcharge en métaux lourds : Mettre en place un protocole de réduction des métaux lourds et rééquilibrer l'excès d'iode.

​Alimentation et exercice physique : Adopter une thérapie diététique adaptée pour soulager le système digestif et le pancréas, associée à un exercice régulier pour stimuler une élimination métabolique normale.

​5. Portée et Limites de l'Étude

​L'étude prouve formellement que le PATM repose sur des phénomènes physiques et chimiques mesurables (émissions de COV cutanés et dysbiose nasale). Cependant, les auteurs soulignent qu'il s'agit d'une étude de cas unique (case report). Pour généraliser ces conclusions à l'ensemble des patients se déclarant PATM, des recherches cliniques sur des cohortes plus larges, comparant simultanément les profils de gaz cutanés et le microbiote intestinal/nasal, demeurent nécessaires. 

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