r/reformuk

Net migration has dropped again this year to 171,000 and the number of asylum seekers in hotels is now 10000 less.

Just wanted to share some good news

It is vital for Robert Kenyon to win in Makefield:

• for Reform UK party to prove that "nothing and no one can stop the haemorrhaging of Labour voters". (A Burnham win will show that "the bleeding of Labour voters to Reform is not inevitable".)
• for everyone of us "who fear what a revived Labour government will do to the country".

"Imagine waking up on a Friday morning to find that Labour has won by a narrow margin – a margin less than the vote secured by Restore."

"Burnham would become PM, and the country would be plunged Leftwards by a government made possible only by a few people choosing to vote for a party that is, in the wider scheme of things, little more than a vanity project for Rupert Lowe, who thinks Reform is not Right-wing enough."

What is the reform voter's view on this?

Wes Streeting is suggesting that this is one of the first policies he'll implement when he gets in charge. I totally understand the metaphor of the hard working doctor paying 40% tax to a landloard who pays a much lower tax on the rental income through dividend.

I'm an entrepreneur and have a venture backed biz that is doing well. I earn well but the main payout for me will be when I exit my company.

Let's say for instance I am fortunate to sell my stake for £20m. My choice is

1. Pay £10m to stay in the UK

2. Pay £100k and live in the Athens Riviera in Greece, or £300k in Milan, or any mainland European country with the same flat tax approach.

I'm aware it's the smallest violin ever, but I've created 300 or so jobs in the UK, but I am obviously going to do what's best for my personal situation and emigrate.

I don't see why any entrepreneur wouldn't do similar

Bloody hell, I can't stand her.

• "I left the government because we are in the fight of our lives against nationalism, and it is a fight that we are currently losing. Unless we change course, we risk handing the keys of No 10 to Reform."
• "Reform UK represent a threat to the values and ideals that have made this country great. But nationalism is not progressive, and nationalism and patriotism are not the same things."
• "Nationalism says look inward, protect your own, turn away from the others. Patriotism says this country is strongest when we are confident enough to be outward looking, generous and united."
• "To win the battle of progressive against reactionary, of patriots versus nationalists, of hope over hate, that is our [Labour] fight."

I do not really understand the concern about the so-called “Boriswave” when it comes to ILR.

People who qualify for ILR have already demonstrated that they are capable of living in Britain for at least five years without access to most benefits. Five years is not a trivial amount of time. It is half a decade.

If the real concern is about welfare dependency and lifetime fiscal contributions, why not simply create a longer moratorium on benefit access for newer ILR holders?

For example, someone could still obtain ILR and remain in Britain permanently without their status depending on continued employment or income, but they might have to wait an additional five or even ten years before becoming eligible for certain benefits.

Yes, this would create a two-tier ILR system where older ILR holders retained full access while newer post-Boriswave arrivals faced longer restrictions, but both groups would still have secure status and certainty about their future in Britain.

That seems far more sensible to me than abolishing ILR entirely and turning Britain into a country where people effectively live on endlessly renewable work permits.

Even the United States, which many immigration restrictionists admire, still maintains a path from temporary work visas to permanent residency. Trump did not abolish green cards or permanent residency.

I suspect most ordinary patriotic voters are primarily concerned about illegal boat crossings, hotels full of asylum seekers, pressure on local services, and rapid demographic change in certain areas. I am not convinced the average voter is specifically demanding the abolition of ILR itself or major restrictions on dual citizenship.

Most people simply do not want large numbers of unvetted arrivals being housed near their communities and children’s schools. That seems to be the real political issue rather than the existence of permanent residency as a concept.