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I've sold to b2b companies for years. here's what actually matters in sales

i've spent a lot of time selling to b2b companies and honestly most of what i believed about sales in the beginning was wrong

so heres some random things i learned from selling, doing outbound, losing deals, closing deals, getting ghosted after "this looks amazing", sending way too many emails and building products for b2b companies.

no particular order just writing this because i was thinking about it today.

the person with the better product does not always win

this was probably one of the hardest things for me to accept because as a builder you naturally think better product = more sales. if your product has more features, works faster, costs less, whatever, people should obviously pick you right?

not really.

i've seen companies buy something objectively worse just because they trusted that company more. maybe the salesperson understood their problem better, maybe the website looked more credible, maybe their friend already used it, maybe the founder replied to them personally.

buyers are taking a risk when they buy from you especially in b2b. if they choose some random software and it breaks something internally they are the person who needs to explain why they picked it.

so sometimes they are not buying the best product. they are buying the decision that feels safest.

took me way too long to understand this.

people dont really care about your product, they care about what happens after they buy it

this sounds obvious but almost every sales call i did early on was basically me explaining features.

we have this, we can do that, we are faster than x, our database has x amount of contacts etc etc.

the customer is sitting there thinking ok... but what does this do for me.

if you're selling lead gen they dont want "verified leads". they want more conversations with companies that can buy from them.

if you're selling some automation they dont want automation. they probably want to save 20 hours a week or avoid hiring another person.

once i started thinking about sales this way it became a lot easier to explain products.

features are just the mechanism.

a lot of "price objections" are actually trust objections

this one cost me quite a few deals.

someone says its too expensive and your immediate reaction is usually ok maybe i should discount it. maybe i should give them 20% off, free month, extra credits whatever.

but if someone really believes spending $5k with you will make them $50k, the $5k usually isn't the problem.

the problem is that they are not sure the second part will actually happen.

of course sometimes people genuinely dont have budget, im not saying price never matters. but i think founders underestimate how often "too expensive" really means "im not convinced enough to risk this money yet"

discounting doesnt fix that.

sometimes it actually makes it worse.

the biggest difference between good and bad sales calls is probably how much you talk

i used to think being good at sales meant being good at explaining things.

now i think its almost the opposite.

some of my best calls were probably the ones where i barely talked for the first 20 minutes.

you ask someone how they currently do something, what sucks about it, why they haven't fixed it yet, what they already tried, what happens if they keep doing it this way...

and eventually they basically tell you how to sell to them.

then instead of giving the same pitch you gave to the last 50 people you can just connect what you do to what they literally told you 5 minutes ago.

sounds stupidly simple but most people dont do it because silence on sales calls feels uncomfortable.

so they start talking again.

outbound still works. bad outbound doesnt

ive sent hundreds of thousands of cold emails by now and i still find it funny every time someone says cold email is dead.

it definitely got harder. inboxes are crowded, everyone has AI generated personalization now, deliverability is more annoying and prospects have seen basically every template before.

but the idea that you can directly contact companies who probably need what you're selling is obviously not dead.

what stopped working well is taking 50,000 random contacts and sending the same "quick question {{firstName}}" email to everyone.

targeting became much more important.

the best outbound campaigns i've done usually weren't the campaigns with some genius copy. it was something like we found a very specific type of company, at a very specific moment, with a problem we knew they probably had.

then the email almost writes itself.

honestly this is also one of the reasons i eventually built Getlead. i got tired of having one thing for leads, another thing for verification, another for sending, mailboxes somewhere else and then trying to figure out which part actually worked.

the funny part is building better infrastructure doesnt magically make outbound work either. you can have perfect deliverability and still send an offer nobody wants.

follow ups are probably the most boring unfair advantage in sales

people ghost for so many reasons that have nothing to do with you.

they were travelling. had a meeting. opened your email on their phone and forgot about it. their boss asked them something. kid got sick. they just didnt feel like replying that day.

early on if someone didn't reply i immediately assumed they weren't interested.

not always true.

some deals i closed came from people who ignored multiple messages before replying.

the important thing IMO is not becoming that annoying guy who sends "just bumping this to the top of your inbox" every 2 days for a month.

sometimes wait. sometimes send something useful. sometimes just send a normal human message.

sales people overcomplicate follow ups way too much.

you can have an amazing pipeline and still have no pipeline

this happened to me more than once.

you open the CRM and you have $50k, $100k, whatever sitting there and it makes you feel good.

then you actually look at the deals.

one guy hasn't replied for 3 weeks.

one said "maybe next quarter".

another one liked the demo but never introduced you to the person who actually has the budget.

another asked for the proposal and disappeared.

technically they are opportunities. realistically most of them are dead.

i think one of the best things you can do is become slightly pessimistic with your pipeline.

if someone hasn't done anything that shows the deal is moving forward, dont mentally spend that money yet lol

getting a yes from the wrong person is basically a no

this one is painful.

you can spend 3 weeks talking to someone inside a company and they absolutely love the product.

"this is exactly what we need"

"the team will love this"

"lets do it"

then suddenly they need approval from their founder, VP, CFO, whoever and the whole thing dies.

because the person you convinced now has to convince someone else.

and they probably won't explain it as well as you did.

these days i try to understand quite early who actually decides if money gets spent.

not in the awkward "ARE YOU THE DECISION MAKER?" sales guru way.

just asking how they normally buy something like this usually tells you everything.

the easiest companies to sell to usually already understand the problem

trying to convince someone they have a problem AND convince them your solution is the answer is incredibly hard.

this applies to outbound too.

lets say you're selling something for companies sending lots of cold email.

company A has never done outbound before and doesn't really believe in it.

company B already has 20 mailboxes, an SDR and spends $2k/mo on tools but hates their current workflow.

company B is obviously easier.

you dont need to educate them on the entire category. they already spend money trying to solve the problem.

you just need to convince them you solve it better.

i started thinking about this a lot more when choosing who to target.

sales gets much easier when you stop trying to close everyone

this one sounds counterintuitive when you need money lol

but bad customers are expensive.

they need more support, complain more, churn more, request things your product wasn't designed for and usually take longer to close too.

i used to think every inbound lead was something i had to somehow turn into money.

now if someone clearly isn't a fit i'd rather know quickly.

same with outbound.

100 companies that actually have the problem is much more valuable than 10,000 "leads".

most sales advice makes sales sound more complicated than it is

there are frameworks for everything.

how to handle objections. what question to ask at minute 17 of the call. exact words to use when they say the price is too high. how to create urgency etc.

some of it is useful but i think people can feel when they're being "sold".

especially founders and experienced b2b buyers. they've been on 200 sales calls already.

the best sales conversations ive had didn't really feel like sales calls.

two people talking about a problem.

one person has the problem.

the other person might have a way to solve it.

thats basically it.

and if you dont solve it, sometimes the best sales move is literally saying "i dont think we're the right fit for this".

weirdly enough people trust you a lot more after you say that.

anyway thats the brain dump.

still lose deals, still get ghosted, still have campaigns that completely flop and sometimes i have absolutely no idea why someone bought from me instead of a competitor.

thats probably what makes b2b sales interesting though.

curious what people here disagree with, especially people who've been doing this much longer than me.

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u/adgrow — 12 days ago
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What would you have done differently?

TLDR: Indian agency hired me to break them into US market with paper thin resources and no patience. After 90 days we couldn't agree on how to move forward even though there were positive signals. They wanted me to take all the risk so I said no.

I was hired by an international company that wanted to break into a very niche fintech sector in the US Market. They were organically getting inbounds from this niche looking for offshore dev support, and spent about 18 months on their own trying to become an official partner in this software without success. None of those customers would agree to provide a case study unfortunately.

In May, they sent me to an event that the software throws for partners and customers to do some recon and see what is possible.

After the event I proposed 5 paths to revenue for them in the market, and only 1 required them to try and be a partner. For context, the software was not going to likely accept their bid for partnership.

We decided to target the highest tier of existing partners and offer white label dev support and staff augmentation. They didn't want to apply a lot of resources, so we agreed to do a 90 day pilot with me acting in a mix of market research and sales to go after these named 32 accounts. The inbounds they had gotten were from mid tier partners, but they dont get as many projects and like I said, weren't willing to give us testimonials or a case study.

I updated their website in a 2 week sprint to match this play, used blinded case studies, and got started on LinkedIn with a mix of warm and cold outreach. I engaged on targeted account pages and posts, I had a budget for gifting, and it was a tiny ABM play without any ads. Each target had their own landing page, etc.

I had a 9% conversion from cold to conversations with me, and closer to 25% connection acceptance rate. 2 meetings where I was told they must have US based devs due to the sensitivity of their financial data. After the website update, organic search from the US went up 53% in the 90 days, and direct traffic from the US went up 104% bc ppl I pinged looked up the agency I was representing. I also earned them a referral partner channel that was promising, but would be lower volume and wasn't the whale they were after.

Some things were working, not enough though and the metrics I had initially set were not on target from a pipeline perspective.

At 90 days I refreshed my proposal to actually launch a US based company they could own, but it would be fully staffed and ran by the US team I build for them. People were interested in me, but not the agency from India.

They said no, they had already sunk so much in their first 18 months on their own and didnt think having a US based company would improve their chances of getting accepted as an official partner (I disagree).

They tried to get me to pivot to another one of their brands, an agency that works with early stage founders as a fractional CTO/technical foudner for startups and asked for me to put together a budget.

So far, they had paid me about $19k and I had done work that I would have billed $27k for one of my standard contracts, but times are tough and they aren't a US company and I understand their budgets aren't the same.

I asked for $22k for a pilot for this other brand, as it ia essentially a startup itself and I would need an assistant and promotions budget to launch it and get meaningful traction.

I also didn't want to burn the relational equity I had developed in the fintech software space so I offered 10% of my time to keep working that too, outside of the $22k bc the commissions on those contracts are super healthy. Even though they weren't on target, I don't think its a dead end we just need more time to build trust.

They said no, they wanted an agreement that is purely funded by revenue I generated, and for me to come out of pocket for the assistant and promos.

I told them no. If I'm putting sweat equity and promo budget in out of my own pocket it is going to be for a startup I have meaningful equity stakes in, not just commissions.

Did I make the right call? Should I have done something different in my first 90 days?

What would you have done differently? I hate walking from something thay could be great but I can't do it for them all by myself.

Edit: typos

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u/mickypaigejohnson — 13 days ago
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How are you guys prospecting HOA boards without getting stuck in PM hell?

What’s up guys,

I sell to HOAs and my current outbound process is a bottleneck.

Right now I spend way too much time researching an individual property, reaching out to the property management company, and trying to get them to pass me along to the board. Most PMs are gatekeepers who move at a snail’s pace.

I want to trim down the prep time and start contacting board presidents/treasurers directly, but getting accurate contact info for volunteer board members is tough.

How are you guys targeting HOAs? Are you using specific databases to reach board members directly, or is there a better way to get the property manager to actually push things forward? All the sources I’ve tried for board data are outdated or a nightmare to work with.

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u/MirrorLegitimate6917 — 12 days ago
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Headset recommendation for outbound calls?

Does anyone have a headset recommendation under $300 or so?

I need the following:

  • Integrate with Dialpad outbound calling system
  • Ideally noise cancelling and/or clear audio reception
  • Comfortable

My Plantronics Savi 8200 Office Series always just cuts/in and out. I'll take an inbound call and there will be an audio delay after the call goes through - leads to a frustrated prospect. Thanks

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u/Objective_Slide6498 — 13 days ago